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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

I don't understand why you'd care. Since when do you care about voting results?

i know this runs counter to the version of me you've conjured up in your coke-addled brain but i do, in fact, care about democracy

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Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

*stands up tall* i care about democracy as well

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Helsing posted:

What is the most proletarian drug? Asking for a friend.

alcohol

Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Dec 16, 2017

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


that or huffing your osn farts

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

R. Guyovich posted:

i know this runs counter to the version of me you've conjured up in your coke-addled brain but i do, in fact, care about democracy

The Will of the Party is enough. The Will of the People is manifest in the Party and should not be overwritten by any momentary dalliances or temptations that the People may have.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

R. Guyovich posted:

i know this runs counter to the version of me you've conjured up in your coke-addled brain but i do, in fact, care about democracy

When it suits you, yes? If the election had gone the other way, would you have said that the USSR lacked legitimacy?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 23 days!)

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

When it suits you, yes? If the election had gone the other way, would you have said that the USSR lacked legitimacy?

The 96 election?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The 96 election?

He was talking about a referendum with 70+% support. Towards the dissolution of the Soviet empire there were a few of these, and he didn't specify which.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Goonsensus on the Shining Path: Hot or Not?

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Also the Tupamaros

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 23 days!)

Plutonis posted:

Goonsensus on the Shining Path: Hot or Not?

A Maoist group that can't secure the support of the peasantry deserves to lose.


Plutonis posted:

Also the Tupamaros

After what they did to Dan Mitrione - they're extremely good.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

The Soviet Empire.

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

R. Guyovich posted:

The Soviet Empire.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Karl Barks posted:

*stands up tall* i care about democracy as well

I'm democracy

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

R. Guyovich posted:

The Soviet Empire.

One notes you chose not to answer the question, lol.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

R. Guyovich posted:

The Soviet Empire.

Gorbachev: "I'm the Czar now bithc how 'bout dat?"

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

One notes you chose not to answer the question, lol.

why would i answer a super obvious bad faith question

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

R. Guyovich posted:

why would i answer a super obvious bad faith question

For the benefit of observers

ATP_Power
Jun 12, 2010

This is what fascinates me most in existence: the peculiar necessity of imagining what is, in fact, real.


What if the democracy we seek is the friends we made along the way?

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

R. Guyovich posted:

The Soviet Empire.

I think I saw that in a Bioshock once

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


yes, they do

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

R. Guyovich posted:

why would i answer a super obvious bad faith question

I don't know what makes you say that my question was in bad faith. If you would have accepted the legitimacy of the vote if it went the other way, just say so.

The Soviet Union was absolutely an empire per the dictionary definition of the word, btw. So is China, so is the USA.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers
the dictionary is imperialist

Antwan3K
Mar 8, 2013
everything is everything

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
What's the Goonsensus on Laos and Vietnam, two of the four remaining One-Party Socialist states?

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

i don't know much about laos but vietnam has basically followed the path of china

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

(that 30 rock scene where padma lakshmi says she invented sandwich bags) no, imperialism is a new thing, that i invented

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


vietnam has liberalized slower than china but Doi Moi was still very much a transition to capitalism like China. Laos also liberalized but even slower than China and Vietnam, and it remains overwhelmingly a poor agricultural economy though its finally starting to have some rapid growth

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

socialize the capital markets is the new seize the means of production

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Karl Barks posted:

i don't know much about laos but vietnam has basically followed the path of china

Which is ironic, considering Vietnam and China are busy shitflinging at each other over territorial claims.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ReomdhA0Cg&t=111s

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Dreddout posted:

Which is ironic, considering Vietnam and China are busy shitflinging at each other over territorial claims.

Vietnam also views the US rather favourably (pre trump) last I recalled but still hates the French for colonial reasons.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 23 days!)

Xelkelvos posted:

Vietnam also views the US rather favourably (pre trump) last I recalled but still hates the French for colonial reasons.

Americans have never had the delusion that Vietnam somehow belongs to us, and our involvement in the war was always framed in geopolitical terms. France on the other hand likes to act as if all of its former colonies in the Francophonie owe them something.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


when I was in Laos I was pretty shocked at how many French people were working there for NGOs, there was nothing comparable in any other postcolonial country ive been in. also a good chunk of people still speak french there, while it was completely abandoned in vietnam and cambodia

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Americans have never had the delusion that Vietnam somehow belongs to us, and our involvement in the war was always framed in geopolitical terms. France on the other hand likes to act as if all of its former colonies in the Francophonie owe them something.

they still regularly poo poo on algeria. macron just recently got all pissy at an algerian woman for asking him a question.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Didn't the French had their former african colonies straight up pay a tax for the infrastructure they built after they gained independence

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 23 days!)

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/942198614872424448

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
Yea Donnie... use the character who says words with a "R" instead of other letters to represent Asian communism... yikes...

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Work Friend Keven posted:

Yea Donnie... use the character who says words with a "R" instead of other letters to represent Asian communism... yikes...

The dog is in fact orgasming

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

I don't know what makes you say that my question was in bad faith. If you would have accepted the legitimacy of the vote if it went the other way, just say so.

hypotheticals don't matter, but yes

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

a transition to capitalism like China.

wtf

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