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Chris Roberts
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:26 |
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reverend crabhands posted:I am confused. Crytek: Hello your client broke the contract. CIG lawyers who also worked at Crytek which is fun: Yes that is correct. Crytek: We want X money or we go to trial. Do you want trial? CIG lawyers: We do not want trial. No one wants trial. Trials are expensive and everyone loses money. Crytek: Ok yes we also do not want trial give money. CIG lawyers: Ok here is money/we do not have money take something else which you can turn into money. Probably going to go something like that. Like 90% of civil cases that never go further than a tastefully decorated office in a nice building somewhere in LA.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:29 |
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Phi230 posted:So basically what crytek wants is for a complete halt of use of anything that uses cryengine or derived from cryengine. Sure but look at C36 in the court document : quote:36. If that claim stands up, it is possible that Crytek may require CIG to pull Lumberyard. Whether they'd do that is another matter, but the threat is there. The document terms it "a critical promise". Together with the demand to stop using Crytek assets it seems to be.... We're gonna stop you using CryEngine, but you can't legally use anything else, your move Crobblers. reverend crabhands fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Dec 16, 2017 |
# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:31 |
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One. Thing CIG can do is to completely rename star citizen and tell the. Spergs they are still creating star citizen but they have a new game in development that is completely different from star citizen but still the same.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:35 |
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D_Smart posted:It has teeth; big teeth. And CIG/RSI can neither afford (they will try) to settle, nor delay it - thus risking crazy things like depositions & discovery. Why couldn't they delay it ?
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:35 |
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That's the question though; if there was a serious chance of settling, plaintiffs should be thumping a summary of the complaint on Ortwin's desk, saying there's an easy way to do this or a hard way before heading down to the courthouse and making it official. Trials are inherently risky, lengthy and expensive, and a quick but large settlement serves everyone's needs, including the defendant's. So either Skadden tried and failed, the suit being the result, or Crytek/CIG won't settle. It'll be really really interesting if it's Crytek out for judicially-enforced blood. (There's also the possibility that in the run up to the suit Crytek made urgent noises about needing to adhere to the contract and got blown off. Then the suit was the shot across the bow needed to finally get CIG to stop loving around. Given the clownshow that is CIG, nothing can be discounted.)
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:38 |
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Toops posted:Protracted bathroom experiences are the only respite I get from the madding crowd. Elite is like walking into a quiet, empty workplace restroom, settling into a stall, breathing a sigh of relief, then some idiot throws open the door, shuffles quickly into the stall next to yours with your inner monologue going “No no no no no no no” and proceeds to have explosive, groaning diarrhea. Nothing to do but pull them trousers back up, exit, and try again later when maybe it’s not so poo poo. somewhere David Braben is reading this drinking his third coffee of the morning while his bowels churn vigorously
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:40 |
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Sarsapariller posted:I love it when they do this, neglecting that Chris himself chose to go with CryEngine against all kinds of warnings. Any knock against CryTek is a knock against the competence of CIG. The best part is the fact nobody seems to get: The original demo for the game was built by CryTek. Chris Roberts couldn’t even build it because he had no talent or ability. He farmed it out to people who were capable of doing it. Since that demo, like 6 loving years ago, they added more ships, which basically connect back to the original demo that CryTek built, and they added in fps stuff, in an engine that is designed to be an FPS game maker suite. They also hacked in the original CryTek multiplayer stuff. They tried to make improvements, but can’t get any of it right. The original demo code is probably still the core code they are trying to extend and add new ships around and tweak. Everything since the original CryTek demo has been a barely functional, definitely not production worthy effort, hack job to extend the original stuff CryTek did. The original stuff CryTek did was very loving good for a demo, even had the walking around inside a ship stuff, and was designed to meet the original goals of the game pretty easily. There’s a reason so many people originally believed in the project: originally it was very feasible. The only really neat feature that set it apart was being able to walk around inside a ship, which they already had shown to have pretty good progress towards. It wasn’t until later that Chris Roberts came unglued, and drove the project into the realm of impossibility. Even then, all the insanity he promised has never made it into the game, at its core it’s still that original CryTek demo with extra stuff shoddily bolted on to it.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:41 |
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reverend crabhands posted:The document terms it "a critical promise". Another common shitizen argument down the drain. "But CIG never promised anything. Oh, uh, err..."
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:44 |
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The Titanic posted:The best part is the fact nobody seems to get: can't wait until fuckin space court
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:50 |
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Solarin posted:somewhere David Braben is reading this drinking his third coffee of the morning while his bowels churn vigorously I wouldn't turn down being a fly on the wall when the good news finally went official.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:51 |
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Everything and anything that looks good, almost works was done by a contractor. Also lol at Toops.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:51 |
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TheAgent posted:the best part is they've probably shared a shitload of cryengine code with multiple 3rd party studios to help build those ships Ships. Half the game. Pimping out the task of building AI to about four companies. Setting up leaderboards on the website with Turbulent. Should be fine. Lol if The Next Great Starship ends up being part of this. Dusty Lens fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Dec 16, 2017 |
# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:52 |
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reverend crabhands posted:Sure but look at C36 in the court document : It depends what remedies crytek is going for. If they want to continue the contract then CIG might be compelled to continue development of SC but may have to cancel SQ42, and would have to drop lumber yard But I dunno what they're going for. There's a whole wonderful world of possibilities in what crytek can demand on CIG and in every case CIG is hosed lmao
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 16:57 |
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One of the things to remember is that Squadron 42 is very definitely a separate game. The BFI may be very lenient and look for ways to help you pass for the UK tax credit scheme, but you do have to pass a simple test. There is formal paperwork. That would include the name of the game, the script etc and that game can only be "Squadron 42" and not "Star Citizen" for a number of reasons. This has always been assumed to be the main reason they split the two games in the first place. The way this untangles can still be awkward for CIG by virtue of the American companies involvement and the fact that the UK group are acting as if they were subsidiaries of the US group, but they are not subsidiaries.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:03 |
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reverend crabhands posted:- Coutts did their due diligence, Coutts was aware when they handed over the dosh for Sq42 rights None of that passes the smell test. For one thing, Coutts would never have gone to the level of inquiring about such things as licenses, as that would be no different from asking if they are all running licensed Windows Server copies. That's why those sort of things are always in the "disclosure" and "indemnity" sections of such agreements, loans etc. My guess is that this lawsuit and the allegations are news to Coutts. ----------------
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:04 |
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kw0134 posted:That's the question though; if there was a serious chance of settling, plaintiffs should be thumping a summary of the complaint on Ortwin's desk, saying there's an easy way to do this or a hard way before heading down to the courthouse and making it official. Trials are inherently risky, lengthy and expensive, and a quick but large settlement serves everyone's needs, including the defendant's. I've been involved in a few patent and civil liability suits, and those rarely go to trial, but they do often involve a lot of discovery and depositions and reports before they settle. A lot of the time, the two sides consider it worth going through those initial expenses to size up their chances, and also to try to get a better settlement, so it's not uncommon for settlements to be reached the day before the start of the full trial.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:05 |
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But the thing is specific performance is so rare and specific and lmao at a court ruling that star citizen is unique enough to warrant that remedy CIG just stopped performing the contract so in any way in my mind w a basic contracts education CIG gets bent over the barrel for damages. I have not a clue about copyright law. But it would be logical that CIG lose the ability to use cryengine and any tech derived from cryengine wrt sq42. Meaning sq42 may be functionally cancelled if they don't come to an agreement but lol it was never coming out anyway. I have really no idea how software works, and I have no idea what lumber yard is in relation to cryengine or who owns it or whatever Phi230 fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Dec 16, 2017 |
# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:11 |
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reverend crabhands posted:Sure but look at C36 in the court document : Yes. And if true (I have no reason to believe that it isn't, seeing as Skadden wouldn't have filed that particular cause of action anyway) then it means CIG has to: 1) Revert to using CryEngine 2) Remove Lumberyard from the game 3) Either revert to Google Compute or continue using AWS (it doesn't require Lumberyard 4) Restore the CryTek/CryEngine logo 5) Get a separate license for SQ42 - OR - fold it into Star Citizen as a module like Arena Commander, Star Marine etc From my experience, if there is a settlement, quite a few of the above are likely to happen. For one thing, they didn't really "switch" to Lumberyard. So reverting is probably 2 hrs of work. Then the settlement just comes down to how much CIG and CryTek can settle for, what form (cash, royalties etc) it will take, and which of the above 5 things they would need to do. Make no mistake, from what I'm hearing, this is a big loving problem at CIG/RSI right now, and they're not taking it lightly. ----------------
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:12 |
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Nyast posted:Why couldn't they delay it ? quote:It has teeth; big teeth. And CIG/RSI can neither afford (they will try) to settle, nor delay it - thus risking crazy things like depositions & discovery. ----------------
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:14 |
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Why is there this narrative on Reddit on Ortwin being a good lawyer? The Kevin Costner thing sunk Ascendant Pictures which had Ortwin in the company. But then again, Reddit doesn't seem to make any connections to the contract violations in Ascendant with the current accusations of violation with Crytek. Considering Crobblestone/Ortwin got burned that badly with their production comapny, how could they DO THE EXACT SAME THING, just with a different medium?
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:14 |
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I pray that this goes to trial because that is the funniest option
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:15 |
D_Smart posted:Yeah, I love it. I wish I knew who bought it. Whoever bought me that, please PM me so I can set a reminder to send a free autographed copy of the book. this is my official affadavit stating that Crytek in no way influenced my making of stupid photoshops for the Star Citizen thread and Derek Smart has explicit permission to use any and all images, videos, and text I have posted to any and all Star Citizen threads on noted dead gay comedy forums website www dot somethingawful dot com hah, take that lawyers
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:16 |
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Incitatus posted:Why is there this narrative on Reddit on Ortwin being a good lawyer? The Kevin Costner thing sunk Ascendant Pictures which had Ortwin in the company. But then again, Reddit doesn't seem to make any connections to the contract violations in Ascendant with the current accusations of violation with Crytek. Considering Crobblestone/Ortwin got burned that badly with their production comapny, how could they DO THE EXACT SAME THING, just with a different medium? The folk tale of the scorpion and the frog seems on point for this.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:18 |
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shrach posted:One of the things to remember is that Squadron 42 is very definitely a separate game. The BFI may be very lenient and look for ways to help you pass for the UK tax credit scheme, but you do have to pass a simple test. There is formal paperwork. That would include the name of the game, the script etc and that game can only be "Squadron 42" and not "Star Citizen" for a number of reasons. Yes. This is a big loving deal for them. Most especially if they did in fact only have a license for one, not two games. This would be the massive barrel that CryTek them has them over. It was hilarious to me when Montoya and those crazies were saying that because CryEngine is free now, so even CIG did use it for SQ42, it's no big deal. Yes, I know. They're morons. ----------------
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:18 |
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Obviously Derek is behind this lawsuit. It was all an elaborate ruse for him to get a book deal.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:18 |
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I'm going to use citizen like levels of imagination and say that CIG is ordered by the court to basically stop development, ortwin goes to jail for contempt in an electric sun 20 fashion, and Roberts goes to prison for violating the above court order I have faith in spite of all reason and logic to believe in the above. Fud will not be tolerated
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:18 |
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D_Smart posted:Good question. He hasn't popped up on Twitter in awhile. I recall that shortly after we shut down the harassment hate sub of racist pedos over at /r/ds, and he had his spat with Jester, he said he was done with SC drama for awhile. I expected him to pop up after this CryTek lawsuit. Going to DM him right now actually. Thanks for that Derek. Put me down for a couple of signed copies of your weighty tome. Free postage mind.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:20 |
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Just wanted to stop by and say that I love everyone of you, especially the grandmaster prancer, for all the laughs of the last few days!
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:23 |
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Dusty Lens posted:Lol if The Next Great Starship ends up being part of this. By the way, why the gently caress is everyone so red in the latest AtV? Money is still the editor, is he trying to say CIG is hell now? https://i.imgur.com/mkF4vkE.mp4 It's totally new technology, guys.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:24 |
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AbstractNapper posted:Promises! This is a drat good post.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:25 |
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SelenicMartian posted:It's totally new technology, guys. Still think Star Citizen is the best looking Doom 3 mod to date.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:28 |
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D_Smart posted:Yeah, I love it. I wish I knew who bought it. Whoever bought me that, please PM me so I can set a reminder to send a free autographed copy of the book. Oh, and you should totally hire Mark Hamill for the audio book.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:35 |
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D_Smart posted:1) Revert to using CryEngine They just changed the logo remember, they literally did gently caress all else.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:35 |
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Sunswipe posted:I'm prepared to make truly awful crude representations of any and all memes in MS Paint, if it's any help.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:36 |
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In other news, another kickstarted game using cryengine and mocap with actors is releasing in 2 months Who knows if it'll be good but it'll be out
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:40 |
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SelenicMartian posted:Fuzzy on the witness stand? They are not only faking poo poo, exactly how we said they would, they're still managing to gently caress that up as well. Good job guys. Good job.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:41 |
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SelenicMartian posted:https://i.imgur.com/mkF4vkE.mp4 Holy poo poo.
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:44 |
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Lladre posted:Everything and anything that looks good, almost works was done by a contractor. idk why I like picking on you so much,
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# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:45 |
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D_Smart posted:Yeah, I love it. I wish I knew who bought it. Whoever bought me that, please PM me so I can set a reminder to send a free autographed copy of the book. but you will have add in let me loving finish every so often to keep the audience on its toes for the audio book.
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