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Eh, it's kind of an OK movie but it has some seriously lazy handling of characters. I hated the casino sub plot because it was almost entirely loving pointless. There's 0 possible reason it makes sense for the admiral not to tell Poe of her plan to launch the smaller ships and they really could have spent that time better expanding on Snoke and his role in turning Kylo Ren. If they were going to use flashbacks they could have used that device to present something anything better than what they did for Snoke. One of my mates had a not altogether bad idea that Snoke could have been revealed to be the original apprentice of Darth Plageius who failed and was scarred in his attempt to overthrow his master. Gives his age, appearance and force knowledge some context. His obvious mind control powers could have been revealed as the method Luke had his vision of Kylo's fall to the dark side similar to how the emperor hosed with Anakin to turn him to the dark side. It could have lead to a scene where Kylo Ren after escaping Luke is pushed by Snoke to destroy the temple and kill the other fledgling Jedi. Could have had more about how Han Solo knew Luke's nature and abandoned his son there anyway. Add to the motivation Kylo had about revenge. The revelation of that would have allowed for better motivations for Kylo to want to burn down the entirety of Jedi and Sith both. One is solely evil, the other is too weak to defend against it. Sets up more of a balanced path for him to walk they're obviously leaning toward. Snoke then appears far more formidable makes Kylo a deeper character as both a victim and perpetrator of terrible poo poo. The Leia in space scene kind of sucked and it didn't make a lot of sense for her to just fall into a coma for a few days right away. The chase seemed a little silly. I think the 3rd one is going to have to have a time jump like the other 6 movies had in order for them to deal with Carrie Fisher's death and set up a final movie properly. I just hope they don't go the weak route with Kylo just being in charge of business as usual sith bad guy doing bad guy stuff.
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Elyv posted:Rogue One was not a good movie and the characters were really one dimensional. It was pretty though. Same with TFA
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Dec 17, 2017 10:37
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I loved the part where Smoke got cut in half by Kylo Ren. Goes to show you that evil always loses.
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BlindSite posted:Eh, it's kind of an OK movie but it has some seriously lazy handling of characters. I hated the casino sub plot because it was almost entirely loving pointless. There's 0 possible reason it makes sense for the admiral not to tell Poe of her plan to launch the smaller ships and they really could have spent that time better expanding on Snoke and his role in turning Kylo Ren. Star Wars fans think they can make better Star Wars than the people who actually make Star Wars. Nerds are weird. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Dec 17, 2017 10:42
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there's always a bigger fish
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Dec 17, 2017 10:51
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i would've been down with the casino planet if they had pod racing
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BlindSite posted:If they were going to use flashbacks they could have used that device to present something anything better than what they did for Snoke. One of my mates had a not altogether bad idea that Snoke could have been revealed to be the original apprentice of Darth Plageius who failed and was scarred in his attempt to overthrow his master. The sequel trilogy -- perhaps every Disney SW film in general -- will never, ever reference the prequels unless it is through a concept invented by the OT. They'll mention Darth Sidious because that is Palpatine (and even that was jarring to hear because it is literally the first time these films have acknowledged something that originated in the prequels). They'll never mention something like Darth Plagueis. The books and games, sure. But not the movies. And I think this is because Disney is keeping things open to do something with the prequel-era.
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Dec 17, 2017 11:00
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just came out of the theater and the movie owns. the backlash is not legit
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Zas posted:i would've been down with the casino planet if they had pod racing loving SERIOUSLY. I couldn't believe they missed an opportunity to have a cool throwback to the prequel trilogy and establish that popular sports exist on more than just one planet at a time. But no, more cgi aliens instead.
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Dec 17, 2017 11:01
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AndyElusive posted:Star Wars fans think they can make better Star Wars than the people who actually make Star Wars. If you took someone who had a genuine connection for the thematic elements of the original trilogy, and understood it’s strength was the conflict of its tight cast of characters, then had a real vision for how they would follow up the events of The Last Jedi - they could do a better Star War than the clusterfuck of Disney corporate, the Lucasfilm Story Group, etc. shoving poo poo into a trilogy that swaps directors and can’t decide if it’s a soft reboot or a weird throwback and tosses about story beats that were supposed to have a payoff into a bin. It’s the machine and less the individual that is loving up the Disney Wars, a really silly inverse of what created the issues with the Prequels. We now live in a timeline where the overwhelming majority of Star Wars movies are bad, and I would say to anyone who does think they can do better, it’s never too late to drum up your own IP and see what you can make happen. Also this is a really weird and cynical caste system worldview that being a “fan” makes you inferior to the “people actually making Star Wars” as if Rian/Kennedy aren’t also “fans.”
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Milky Moor posted:The sequel trilogy -- perhaps every Disney SW film in general -- will never, ever reference the prequels unless it is through a concept invented by the OT. They'll mention Darth Sidious because that is Palpatine (and even that was jarring to hear because it is literally the first time these films have acknowledged something that originated in the prequels). They'll never mention something like Darth Plagueis. In TFA Kylo Ren makes a snide comment about how maybe Snoke should consider using a clone army instead of Hux's stormtroopers after Finn defects. R1 has multiple references to the PT. It even has Bail Organa in it. So I wouldn't say Disney will never reference the Prequels cus they already have.
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Dec 17, 2017 11:18
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I've been feeling this for a couple of years now... I kind of miss the Expanded Universe. The characters in the EU actually had some character arcs, and the galaxy had evolved into something else than the Galactic Civil War (ANH-ROTJ-era). In these new movies it's just status quo: still rebels, fighting that big ol' empire, and the old characters are killed off for seemingly no big reason. The new characters are flat.
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AndyElusive posted:In TFA Kylo Ren makes a snide comment about how maybe Snoke should consider using a clone army instead of Hux's stormtroopers after Finn defects. Well, here's the things about those references. They're actually not referencing the prequels. They're referencing OT things that were expanded on in the prequels. Clones are mentioned in ANH, as are Leia's parents (Bail Organa's name comes from the radio drama, I believe). R1 names every planet except Mustafar (Vader being injured on a lava planet comes from, again, the OT). TFA invents a new city planet instead of blowing up Coruscant. So, yeah, kind of backs up my point even further.
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Dec 17, 2017 11:23
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I've heard that it's likely this movie will have more fan recuts than episode I, and I can see it. You could cut entire subplots, even replace them entirely, and nearly all the good parts of the movie would be completely unaffected.
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Taintrunner posted:Also this is a really weird and cynical caste system worldview that being a “fan” makes you inferior to the “people actually making Star Wars” as if Rian/Kennedy aren’t also “fans.” You do realize that this property is created, cultivated and conceived by more than just two people right? There's literally thousands of people who's job it is to make these things. It's weirder to me that you'd think one dudes If-I-Could-Make-A-Star-War is on par with what people who's entire career is maintaining and creating the make believe universe that fans like that daydream in.
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GannerOne posted:I kind of miss the Expanded Universe. You shouldn't, it was dogshit.
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Dec 17, 2017 11:31
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Anyone who thinks this movie is good is retarded.
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Was I imagining it, or was Kylo's flashback of Luke's betrayal of him subtly different visually to Luke's version of events? It felt like the lighting in the latter made Luke look more monstrous and angry.
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AndyElusive posted:You do realize that this property is created, cultivated and conceived by more than just two people right? There's literally thousands of people who's job it is to make these things. It's weirder to me that you'd think one dudes If-I-Could-Make-A-Star-War is on par with what people who's entire career is maintaining and creating the make believe universe that fans like that daydream in. And boy does it stink. The Disney EU is bad and punished you for engaging with it. It’s bland, trite, and entirely forgettable. Largely because people sit in a room and assume that what’s most important is making sure the “canon” stays in-tact. Can’t have Pink Vaders or anything! You make it sound so mystical and engrossing, it’s really not. Nobody gives a poo poo except for the one guy who’s life is running a Patreon to make YouTube videos reading Wookiepedia articles to kids. Mulva posted:You shouldn't, it was dogshit. It has had bits and pieces that are wildly more exciting and engaging than anything the micromanaged Disney EU or mainstream has crapped out, due to deferring to the individual creators instead of combing every thread against some mystical fabric of “canon.”
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Oops double
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Was I imagining it, or was Kylo's flashback of Luke's betrayal of him subtly different visually to Luke's version of events? It felt like the lighting in the latter made Luke look more monstrous and angry. I think so. I'm pretty sure Luke has a very evil expression in Kylo's version.
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the gnostic take isn't that far out. it'd probably be more surprising if someone as referential as johnson didn't end up with a bunch of gnostic stuff in the movie
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Yeah they were definitely lit differently. I thought that part was actually really cool, showing how time and perception warp our memories. Really the whole thing with kylo and Luke was a big misunderstanding, but it doesn't really matter. Kylo had good reason to think Luke had betrayed him, and instead of fixing things, Luke hosed off to the edge of the galaxy. The damage was done a long time ago
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Milky Moor posted:If Poe hadn't destroyed the big scary ship with the bombers that had to have been granted to him by the chain of command, the Dreadnaught would've fired on the command ship and destroyed it, though. It's funny, that command ships was the Whole rebellion, and if they had just aimed at it, and targeted the base on the planet afterwards(it cant run), it would have ended the movie right there in the beginning.
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PantsBandit posted:The leadership seemed really incompetent because for some reason she left a bunch of her crew in the dark about the fact that she actually did have a plan to not let them all die. But the thing is Poe, Finn and Rose neglected to tell Holdo about the fact that they'd figured out how the First Order was tracking them. For all she knew there was a traitor or a spy on board who'd leak the plan first chance they got. I think there should have been more of an explanation for it or maybe change it so there actually was a traitor on board and they were just wrong in their assumption (hey, maybe bring back the binary tracker concept as being used by a spy, that would have been clever) but its not as big of a plot hole as people think it is imo.
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A traitor would've made a better plot than the techbobabble bullshit. Figuring out Kylo was tracking Leia through Force Empathy or some poo poo leading to Leia sacrificing herself or whatever could have been interesting. Gimme that Disney money.
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Dramatic tension through characters simply not talking to each other is always, always weak and painful, but I didn't notice it as much in this movie compared to others.Mulva posted:Poe needed to see competent leadership and real sacrifice at work, and Leia needed to survive to say good-bye to Luke. This makes sense but it still makes me mad, lol. PantsBandit posted:The leadership seemed really incompetent because for some reason she left a bunch of her crew in the dark about the fact that she actually did have a plan to not let them all die. Yeah I absolutely did not get this. She just stood on the bridge and watched her people die. No Mods No Masters posted:The phase of discussion of a movie where SMG has begun posting but enough normal people are still in the thread that his mental diarrhea is just ignored, is my favorite. We’re in the sweet spot folks It's absolutely *kisses fingers* loving delicious.
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Disney still can’t work up the courage to have a black man kiss a white woman. Just get some good hugs and close up shots of smiling faces.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:A traitor would've made a better plot than the techbobabble bullshit.
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Do we know exactly what scene Princes William and Harry appear alongside Tom Hardy as storm troopers yet or no? Because it would be subtly projecting some of the most hosed up parts of the British Empire's "reign by matriarchal monarchy" values if they were the ones who appeared so princely alongside Phasma ready to cut the heads off of the films two most visible minorities. For Disney to be promoting their cameos (and for their cameos to exist at all) in such a way as to be framed worthy of celebration is incredibly shortsighted (if that is indeed them behind the armour in that scene specifically.) Edit: This film is going to set off an avalanche of hatred for the ruling classes of the world, be they heads of state or heads of business. Like the Arab Spring but for nerds. XYZAB fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Rey is a volcel and Finn is a Incel.
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Handen posted:Do we know exactly what scene Princes William and Harry appear alongside Tom Hardy as storm troopers yet or no? Because it would be subtly projecting some of the most hosed up parts of the British Empire's "reign by matriarchal monarchy" values if they were the ones who appeared so princely alongside Phasma ready to cut the heads off of the films two most visible minorities. For Disney to be promoting their cameos (and for their cameos to exist at all) in such a way as to be framed worthy of celebration is incredibly shortsighted (if that is indeed them behind the armour in that scene specifically.) edit: they're in the background when Finn and Rose are captured. But you're right that it is mega gross for the Royal family to be cameoing in Star Wars.
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“General Hux has no character and he’s treated like a fool!” I’ve got a bombshell here, lads: Hux’s character is the funny bits. He’s ambitious and frequently clowned on, just like Krennic, but when Hux gets clowned on the film’s doing it for a laugh. Hux has a character and you just don’t like it. It’s fine to admit that you don’t like something without acting like you’re objectively right about it.
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Zas posted:i would've been down with the casino planet if they had pod racing For a brief second that's exactly what I thought was happening when the room started shaking and it cut outside to the racetrack. I got so excited.
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cargohills posted:“General Hux has no character and he’s treated like a fool!” I’ve got a bombshell here, lads: Hux’s character is the funny bits. He’s ambitious and frequently clowned on, just like Krennic, but when Hux gets clowned on the film’s doing it for a laugh. Hux has a character and you just don’t like it. It’s fine to admit that you don’t like something without acting like you’re objectively right about it. It's not very good characterisation.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's not very good characterisation. This doesn’t mean anything but “I don’t like it”. Again, that’s fine - but it’s boring to talk about.
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Im thinking for the next movie, the last movie, what they're shooting for is Kylo and Rey catching feeling for each other. Remember this is a Disney franchise now... They set it up here with the arms dealers profiting off of the forever war. They set it up with the slave kids being future resistance fighters. They set it up with Luke's first lesson about balance. The realization will come that light and dark are opposite but equal, they're both stronger working together than fighting, etc etc etc
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Goofy force cults playing cat an mouse is what I love in SW. Richie Rich war barons are not their strongest hand.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I loved that, it's such a gently caress you, same thing as Yoda showing up. Yoda showing up was great, but the icing on the cake was the fact that it was god drat puppet Yoda. Ioved that so much.
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Wait, people are complaining about Hux? His whole point is that he's a fascist weenie who clearly got his position by nepotism and is kept around because it's easy for space wizards to boss him around. He's Kylo Ren without the superpowers. And everyone with a mote of self-confidence clowns on him.
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