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Jimbozig: Sep 30, 2003; I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

But it's unreasonable to expect that a Liberal is going to pay for a poor person to go to University. "I don't care about your poverty" is not an insult - it's the Liberal party platform. Call him an rear end in a top hat because he is a Liberal and I'm right there with you. This whole "oh, the way he said it wasn't respectful" when we don't have the full conversation is bullshit. If the NDP ever form government, people can and will try this same poo poo to attack them.

If you are an MP, you have to deal with all the crazy assholes who think the government should fix their personal problems. If you are an MP from Alberta, that means a lot of crazy right-wing shitbags. I expect MPs is to begin every conversation with respect. If the person is being awful at you, I expect you to keep your cool and not blow up but it's okay to get in some little digs here and there if the person is being nasty.

It may be that he was in the wrong, but without a larger transcript of the conversation, I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. How many people have we heard twist the words of opposing politicians to try to make them look bad? This is on the level of saying that Hillary called Americans deplorable! Okay sure, she did, but which Americans? And did they deserve it?

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DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

I guess we should never call the Liberals out on their bullshit because that is the party platform. Pack it up everybody.

# ? Dec 15, 2017 21:17

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Sorry to interrupt academiachat for a moment, go save some money you hosers

# ? Dec 15, 2017 21:39

Jimbozig: Sep 30, 2003; I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

Call Liberals out on their lovely policies but have some skepticism when it comes to trash tier political smears from right wing rags. Don't see what's so hard about that.

# ? Dec 15, 2017 21:42

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Jimbozig posted:

But it's unreasonable to expect that a Liberal is going to pay for a poor person to go to University. "I don't care about your poverty" is not an insult - it's the Liberal party platform. Call him an rear end in a top hat because he is a Liberal and I'm right there with you. This whole "oh, the way he said it wasn't respectful" when we don't have the full conversation is bullshit. If the NDP ever form government, people can and will try this same poo poo to attack them.

If you are an MP, you have to deal with all the crazy assholes who think the government should fix their personal problems. If you are an MP from Alberta, that means a lot of crazy right-wing shitbags. I expect MPs is to begin every conversation with respect. If the person is being awful at you, I expect you to keep your cool and not blow up but it's okay to get in some little digs here and there if the person is being nasty.

It may be that he was in the wrong, but without a larger transcript of the conversation, I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. How many people have we heard twist the words of opposing politicians to try to make them look bad? This is on the level of saying that Hillary called Americans deplorable! Okay sure, she did, but which Americans? And did they deserve it?

You're moving the goalposts so much my head is spinning. First the complaints themselves were bullshit, then this veteran's spouse was the equivalent of a student who can't get their poo poo together, and now the problem is actually that we shouldn't expect Liberals to be human beings or be accountable in any way for the horrible things they say to people's faces because they might have to deal with awful constituents sometimes, and this is just a hit job by noted right-wing anti-Liberal rag The Globe and Mail. I'm confused.

# ? Dec 15, 2017 21:47

Stretch Marx: Apr 29, 2008; I'm ok with this.

vyelkin posted:

You're moving the goalposts so much my head is spinning. First the complaints themselves were bullshit, then this veteran's spouse was the equivalent of a student who can't get their poo poo together, and now the problem is actually that we shouldn't expect Liberals to be human beings or be accountable in any way for the horrible things they say to people's faces because they might have to deal with awful constituents sometimes, and this is just a hit job by noted right-wing anti-Liberal rag The Globe and Mail. I'm confused.

Listen if the husband had boot strapped his way to death, his wife wouldn't need to boot strap to support everyone. Clearly the fault lies on the husband for being lovely at dying.

# ? Dec 15, 2017 23:26

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

The Globe and Mail is a Liberal Magazine, the National Post is the right-wing rag.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 00:21

EvidenceBasedQuack: Aug 15, 2015; A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

I'm the guy who expects the Veterans Affairs minister to show a shred of empathy to veterans and families :confuoot:

# ? Dec 16, 2017 00:46

Jimbozig: Sep 30, 2003; I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

"I asked Jagmeet to pay for my kid's school, but not only did he say he wouldn't, but he also acted like I was kind of an idiot for asking him."

In this hypothetical, should Jagmeet resign from his position for being disrespectful to women?

My position is simple: No.

Apparently having lots of arguments all pointing to the same conclusion is "moving the goalposts" now?

Also, the G&M has endorsed the Conservatives in every election since 2006. The last time they endorsed the Liberals was Paul Martin. They're maybe less of a rag than the Post - they're not The Rebel, certainly - but I don't really care to differentiate. They're all poo poo.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 01:06

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

"I don't like what gets printed on the editorial page, that makes this entire publication poo poo" - a loving idiot

# ? Dec 16, 2017 01:18

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-sherman-toronto-dead-apotex-1.4451452

A thing happened. In Canada.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 01:23

Jimbozig: Sep 30, 2003; I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

DariusLikewise posted:

"I don't like what gets printed on the editorial page, that makes this entire publication poo poo" - a loving idiot

Hmmm, let's see which section this article we are discussing was published under.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 01:29

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

DariusLikewise posted:

The Globe and Mail is a Liberal Magazine, the National Post is the right-wing rag.

There's a piece on the NP front page right now about how great it is to celebrate Christmas again now that the anticonsumerists have been defeated.

The comments are even crazier than the article.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 02:49

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Jimbozig posted:

"I asked Jagmeet to pay for my kid's school, but not only did he say he wouldn't, but he also acted like I was kind of an idiot for asking him."

In this hypothetical, should Jagmeet resign from his position for being disrespectful to women?

My position is simple: No.

The woman was asking him in his capacity as Minister of Veterans, not if he'd spend money out of pocket.

If Singh were asked by this woman "would an NDP government pay for my child's education?" then I would hope he'd say "yes of course, education is a right." If he answered otherwise then yes I would want to resign his position as leader.

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Apparently having lots of arguments all pointing to the same conclusion is "moving the goalposts" now?

Also, the G&M has endorsed the Conservatives in every election since 2006. The last time they endorsed the Liberals was Paul Martin. They're maybe less of a rag than the Post - they're not The Rebel, certainly - but I don't really care to differentiate. They're all poo poo.

Multiple people, some with corroborating witnesses, have independently described separate incidents where this guy acted like an enormous rear end in a top hat. He has even apologized for several of these instances. Reporting on this isn't a "smear".

# ? Dec 16, 2017 02:54

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

I enjoyed the prominent article in the Calgary Herald (Post media rag) stating that Kenny's by-election win is a wakeup call to the NDP about their terrible policies.

As opposed to, you know, being the completely completely loving expected outcome.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 03:51

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

What the hell do you teach, Jimbozig? Fuckboyism 101?

# ? Dec 16, 2017 05:18

Albino Squirrel: Apr 25, 2003; Miosis more like meiosis

The Alberta Party has been promoting itself as the "centrist" alternative in Alberta, especially now that the Liberal party has collapsed and the Progressive wing of the Progressive Conservatives has been eaten alive by the United Conservative Party. Their leader, Greg Clark, resigned in order to drum up interest in the party. And he's not running again.

Unfortunately for the Alberta Party, uh, literally nobody wants to run and get curbstomped by Jason Kenney.

The vote with no candidates so far is February 27.

Also, late but worthwhile:

Kraftwerk posted:

I have been prescribed Cipralex (Escitalopram). I asked the pharmacist to write the expiry date onto the bottle and stashed it into my drawer. I�d look at it whenever poo poo gets rough and then put it away deciding not to take it. I�m rationally aware of my mental health. But no amount of intelligence can help me overcome the apathy and anxiety I deal with on a daily basis. All my willpower gets used up going to work. After that I go straight home and don�t talk to or see anyone for days at a time nor do I feel the urge to do so. I have a lot of lovely friends I got rid of and my aura is too dark and depressive for my other friends. I cling to a strict routine to maintain whatever grip I got on normalcy. It�s no way to live. I know what I gotta do but felt scared to do it.

Thanks for adding another tally towards taking this stuff so that I can hopefully feel better.

I am a literal doctor. And while I haven't examined you and this is for entertainment purposes only and yadda yadda yadda, it sounds very much like you should start taking escitalopram. I say this mostly because you describe very well the apathy and exhaustion that depression causes, in my case every winter in this godforsaken sunless wasteland, and because in my case it takes only about a month until the escitalopram makes me much less of an rear end in a top hat. So as a fellow crazy person, and also a goddamn doctor, take your fuckin' Cipralex.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 05:25

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Aug 26, 2018

# ? Dec 16, 2017 05:58

Jimbozig: Sep 30, 2003; I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

Helsing posted:

The woman was asking him in his capacity as Minister of Veterans, not if he'd spend money out of pocket.

If Singh were asked by this woman "would an NDP government pay for my child's education?" then I would hope he'd say "yes of course, education is a right." If he answered otherwise then yes I would want to resign his position as leader.

Really? You expect me to believe that?

Hey, Rachel Notley is an NDP premier with a majority government. And post-secondary education isn't free in Alberta. Even for poor people with sick veteran parents it's not free in Alberta! Should Rachel Notley resign her position, in your opinion?

# ? Dec 16, 2017 06:21

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

Jimbozig posted:

Really? You expect me to believe that?

Hey, Rachel Notley is an NDP premier with a majority government. And post-secondary education isn't free in Alberta. Even for poor people with sick veteran parents it's not free in Alberta! Should Rachel Notley resign her position, in your opinion?

I'm guessing whatever you teach in university has nothing at all to do with the concept of inertia

# ? Dec 16, 2017 06:58

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

TheKingofSprings posted:

I'm guessing whatever you teach in university has nothing at all to do with the concept of inertia

*in a CI voice* Liberal Arts Major

# ? Dec 16, 2017 07:51

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

James Baud posted:

It was probably the Liberals' tax changes. The Shermans were on a deadline before they took effect on Jan 1st!

The Liberal Party of Canada: On your side!

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If the liberals were causing billionaires to kill themselves half the thread would start saying nice things about JT

# ? Dec 16, 2017 15:07

Albino Squirrel: Apr 25, 2003; Miosis more like meiosis

Baronjutter posted:

SMAC is the best drug for bad brains.

Real talk, what party is pushing Eudaimonia as a governing philosophy? Or do we have to unlock Sentient Econometrics first?

# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:05

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Jimbozig posted:

Really? You expect me to believe that?

Hey, Rachel Notley is an NDP premier with a majority government. And post-secondary education isn't free in Alberta. Even for poor people with sick veteran parents it's not free in Alberta! Should Rachel Notley resign her position, in your opinion?

Yes, I unironically wish that centrist NDP leaders would step aside and clear the way for some Jeremy Corbynesque socialists. This is surprising to you? Mulcair was explicitly against free education and it was one of the many reasons I thought he was a terrible leader for the party.

I'm not sure what this has to do with your inexplicable defense of noted rear end in a top hat Kent Hehr, who you seem to think was the victim of a coordinated partisan conspiracy.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 17:23

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

The Toronto Star has a pretty good infographic on corporate tax cuts and how useless they are. But since you already knew that, here's a thing that might surprise you:

Teresa Gratton is at least the 16th person to die in immigration detention since 2000. Canada Border Services Agency does not release name or cause of death when someone dies in their custody. This info comes from coroner�s inquests, media reports and detainee advocates.

I occasionally give poo poo to Australians for their popular but pathologically psychopathic policy of detaining asylum seekers on remote islands, where they usually suffer abuse and occasionally die. But hey, apparently Canada does pretty much the same thing! Good times.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 18:52

EvidenceBasedQuack: Aug 15, 2015; A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

eXXon posted:

The Toronto Star has a pretty good infographic on corporate tax cuts and how useless they are.

Thanks! I'm always on the lookout for handy infographics ahead on family gatherings

# ? Dec 16, 2017 19:48

Tsyni: Sep 1, 2004; Lipstick Apathy

eXXon posted:

The Toronto Star has a pretty good infographic on corporate tax cuts and how useless they are. But since you already knew that, here's a thing that might surprise you:

Teresa Gratton is at least the 16th person to die in immigration detention since 2000. Canada Border Services Agency does not release name or cause of death when someone dies in their custody. This info comes from coroner’s inquests, media reports and detainee advocates.

I occasionally give poo poo to Australians for their popular but pathologically psychopathic policy of detaining asylum seekers on remote islands, where they usually suffer abuse and occasionally die. But hey, apparently Canada does pretty much the same thing! Good times.

There's no firmer buttress for the moral high-ground than a good infographic.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 21:51

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

CBC News posted:

UCP house leader Jason Nixon fired woman after sex harassment complaint

Premier Rachel Notley says Nixon 'would be out' as house leader if he were an MLA in her party

By Michelle Bellefontaine, CBC News Posted: Dec 12, 2017 12:19 PM MT Last Updated: Dec 12, 2017 3:39 PM MT

Alberta Premier Rachel Notley has called on UCP Leader Jason Kenney to remove his party's house leader after it was revealed that Jason Nixon fired a woman in 2005 who complained about sexual harassment on a Kelowna worksite.

Notley said if Nixon were her house leader "he would be out."

"Mr. Kenney must answer to this," she said of the Opposition leader. "Mr. Nixon was his handpicked selection to be his political lieutenant, his political spokesperson. So did he know and not care? Or now that he does know, what's he going to do about it?"

Notley said it is dishonest and disingenuous for Nixon to argue against the need for Alberta to put workplace harassment policies in place.

Bill 30, An Act to Protect the Health and Well-being of Working Albertans, was introduced in the Alberta legislature late last month. Kenney's party has opposed some parts of the bill.

Under the bill, employers and supervisors would be required to take measures to prevent harassment and violence in the workplace. Workers would be prohibited from engaging in harassing, bullying or violent behaviour.

Notley said Nixon wasn't being upfront with his fellow MLAs.

"For him to come into this house and say � he believes industry is always going to do the right thing is incredibly dishonest," the premier said of Nixon. "Because he knows of one particular case where � it didn't do the right thing. It did the wrong thing."

B.C. human rights tribunal findings
A ruling from the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal, handed down on Dec. 30, 2008, involved three companies: Nixon's company, Nixon Safety Consulting (NSC); Navigator, a company building a condo in Kelowna; and Con-Forte, a company that performed concrete work on the site. It also involved Greg Ford, an independent contractor.

The tribunal found that Nixon's company fired its safety officer, Kori Harrison, in December 2005 after she complained that Ford had sexually harassed her.

"I find that Mr. Ford sexually harassed Ms. Harrison, and that NSC terminated her employment when she complained," adjudicator Kurt Neuenfeldt wrote in the tribunal's decision.

"I find that NSC terminated her employment at the urging of Navigator, and with the tacit approval of Con-Forte."

'I should have pushed back'
Nixon told reporters Tuesday he made a mistake in the way he handled the case.

"Now, with the benefit of hindsight and experience � I believe I should have pushed back very hard on my client at that point � and I probably should have terminated my relationship with that client at that point," he said.

"At no point did we not acknowledge what was happening to Ms.Harrison was wrong; we thought it was wrong," Nixon said. "We stood up for it. We tried to make sure she was safe. We tried to address it the best we could. And we made some mistakes while we were dealing with it."

Harrison, who was 27 at the time, said Ford slapped her on the buttocks and propositioned her. Ford also offered her marijuana, lingerie and truck tires in return for sex, the tribunal found. She was also encouraged to dress sexier while she worked at a construction site.

Ford, who was Harrison's supervisor, watched pornography on a work computer and asked her to watch with him on at least one occasion, the tribunal also found.

"Harrison told Mr. Nixon what had been going on with Mr. Ford, and that he had been touching and propositioning her," Neuenfeldt wrote in his report.

"At the end of the conversation, Mr. Nixon asked her to send him an email about what had been occurring, as he needed something in writing. Mr. Nixon told her that there was no way this sort of thing would be tolerated. He also told her not to go into work the next day, and that he would call her.

"Ms. Harrison noted at the hearing that, although she had never met Mr. Nixon in person, she found herself crying during the conversation."

Nixon's letter informed employee she was fired
On Dec. 20, 2005, Harrison received a letter from Nixon, notifying her that her services were no longer needed, the tribunal report said.

That letter was quoted in the report. "We are writing to inform you that as of Jan. 1, 2006, we will no longer require your services on 'The Lofts Project.' Over the past few weeks it has become apparent that you are not fitting into the role that we need on 'The Lofts Project,' and upon review with our client Navigator Development it is clear that you are not meeting the requirements of the site safety adviser position on the project."

Harrison won a $32,000 award for damages and lost wages.

Kenney said in a statement that Nixon was a "25-year-old small business owner" when Harrison was fired from her job.

"I must also make clear that the UCP does not oppose legislated harassment provisions in Bill 30, and to suggest otherwise is false," Kenney said.

"Mr. Nixon has personally stated that he supports legislation that covers various types of harassment in the workplace, and that education of employers is also necessary."

Kenney said Bill 30 is a "comprehensive piece of legislation," and stakeholders have raised concerns that other parts of the bill could cause layoffs.

"We have repeatedly requested that the government split the bill into smaller pieces of legislation, so that MLAs can vote on individual elements."

Nixon argued in the legislature last week that industry already has policies in place.

"If you spent any serious time within all the industries that this would apply to, you would see that harassment policies have been strongly in place for a very long time in most companies," he said. "And the right way to deal with it is to get the industry to address it, to work through their safety associations, to understand the uniqueness of each organization, and they will do it. They've already proven it."

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Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

It�s okay because Kenneys office is hiring women, and the gays

# ? Dec 16, 2017 22:02

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

quote:

... offered her truck tires in return for sex ...

# ? Dec 16, 2017 22:05

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

I'm guessing most likely UCP voters are sexual harassment enthusiasts anyway so I don't think this will make much difference.

# ? Dec 16, 2017 22:06

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Trading tires for sex to own the libs

# ? Dec 16, 2017 22:09

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://www.vancourier.com/news/tent-city-eviction-protest-erupts-into-physical-altercation-1.23124348

quote:

Tent city eviction protest erupts into physical altercation
Tenants of Sugar Mountain tent city protested eviction Friday

A news conference organized by Alliance Against Displacement devolved into a shouting match and physical altercation between a cyclist and an opponent to the eviction of a homeless camp in the Downtown Eastside on Friday.

The incident happened during statements by activists who do not want to see the residents at Sugar Mountain tent city evicted from the site at Franklin Street and Glen Drive, the future location of a temporary modular housing project. As Troy Tyrell was riding past the throng of reporters and activists, he shouted out that reporters should ask about the camp�s collection of bikes, which Tyrell alleged were stolen. At that point, the activists replied with profanities and motioned for Tyrell to come back if he had more to add. He did, and a shouting match between him and the protesters ensued, ending in him being grabbed and shoved by Herb Varley, a member of the Alliance Against Displacement.

On Dec. 12, the city issued the residents of the homeless camp a trespass notice and gave them until noon Friday to leave the site to accommodate 39 temporary modular housing units for the homeless. The Portland Hotel Society will manage the daily operations of the housing development. However, some camp residents and members of Alliance Against Displacement � a homelessness activist organization � say the society�s tenancy rules are too strict. They also argue any housing the municipal and provincial governments want to build to address homelessness should be tenant-run because they distrust those institutions and the agencies they hire.

Carlos Lopez, a construction worker from Mexico and camp resident, said in a rich city like Vancouver, homeless camps should not exist in the first place, but that the camp functioned well under the management of the residents. He said all they were looking for was government help to hire security in case more serious problems arose.

�Everybody was happy here. There were no problems. If someone did something stupid, they kicked them out,� Lopez said. �In a shelter, you have bed bugs for sure, you have cockroaches, you have a bunch of people with a mental illness, drug people. Here, when you are inside your tent, nobody bothers you.�

Ward Ferguson, who has been a resident of the camp since it opened in August, said that he prefers the freedom and autonomy of a camp more than government and agency-run spaces, though he admits the modular housing units planned for the site �seem OK.� He said he has used PHS services in the past and found them too constricting.

�What�s that going to be? No guests after a certain time,� Ferguson said about the society�s management of homelessness services. �Every building that I know they had running, [was] like being in jail. They want to control everything.�

The activists and camp residents say they would like to see the province immediately open 10,000 units of modular housing in Vancouver, and at the same time start building 10,000 units of permanent social housing. They also want the province to keep building 10,000 units of social housing a year until homelessness in the city is eradicated.

JJ Riach, organizer with Alliance Against Displacement, admits the 600 modular housing units being built by the municipal government will get people out of the cold, but they do not meet the demand. He and some camp residents want homelessness programs and addiction to be �peer run.�

�There needs to be more. They don�t need to be staffed by social workers. They don�t need to be policed, there doesn�t need to be cameras,� Riach said.

He said the altercation at the news conference was �aggression that was met with aggression,� addling that it was �emblematic of capitalist and colonial violence that people are increasingly becoming less docile about.�

A request for response by the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing was not met by the Courier�s deadline.

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in case there is any doubt that vancouverites are human garbage

# ? Dec 17, 2017 17:17

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

I was literally just checking to see when your probation expired and was surprised to see it was hours ago and you hadn't posted yet.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 17:19

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Sorry to pull back your smug Canadian exceptionalism kimono

# ? Dec 17, 2017 17:27

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Aug 26, 2018

# ? Dec 17, 2017 17:31

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

namaste faggots posted:

http://www.vancourier.com/news/tent-city-eviction-protest-erupts-into-physical-altercation-1.23124348

http://tsquaredvancouverpersonaltraining.com/meet-troy/

in case there is any doubt that vancouverites are human garbage

So basically it's like The Beach but downtown vancouver and with old homeless people?

# ? Dec 17, 2017 17:37

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

never been so glad to see a transphobic troll return. HI CI

# ? Dec 17, 2017 17:38

The Dark One: Aug 19, 2005; I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

https://twitter.com/lisang/status/942090087164207104

Well, this was devastating to read.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 18:53

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Normy: Jul 1, 2004; Do I Krushchev?

A cyclist vs. tent city dwellers. How will news commenters know who to be mad at?

# ? Dec 17, 2017 19:18

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