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MedicineHut posted:All eyes on the holiday stream Lucy definitely won't pull away the football this time.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:My favorite part is how the only time Sandi ever looked remotely believable was in that demo reel of her abusing an employee. Which actually happened. She seems at her most natural when channeling unhinged rage for some weird reason...
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G0RF posted:Oh man that’s rough. In his defense though, remember, he’s had a a lot of help. I will happily apply the most caustic words towards that shambolic and loathsome mound of shame until his ego and/or knees collapse and never functions in public again. He was already sentenced to death by his patron and lord Chris Roberts and his vassals, death by a a thousand donuts. He was blinded by the prospect of being within the orbit of the stars he loved and obsessed over, and soon, he will be blinded forever and I will be glad of it. gently caress him and the scam he rode in on.
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I would like to enter into evidence article 52.6 '4th stimpire.txt'
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MedicineHut posted:https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/holiday-livestream-squadron-42-expectations This is what their rumored Star Wars trailer turned into? Haha should be some good stuff. Scruffpuff posted:Not to spoil the E.L.E., but there's a money panic going on behind the scenes at CIG right now. It goes along the lines that CR thought the game would be done by now, and he also banked on selling fuckloads of copies "off the shelf."
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MedicineHut posted:All eyes on the holiday stream 14 words into the announcement and they put the word "gameplay" in quotes. This bodes well.
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Dec 17, 2017 21:44
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:The best part was when I offered to do the same for Peter Ottsjo he jumped at the chance and the resulting article in Level (and later Kotaku) was really good. The Kotaku has the classic 'Chris Roberts plays Star Citizen' disaster. Good times, good times.
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Mr.Tophat posted:I will happily apply the most caustic words towards that shambolic and loathsome mound of shame until his ego and/or knees collapse and never functions in public again. Come on Topsy. People can be morally reprehensible, but wishing harm on people is kind of hosed up.
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Dec 17, 2017 21:50
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Incitatus posted:Come on Topsy. People can be morally reprehensible, but wishing harm on people is kind of hosed up. It was just a funny joke, like the funny jokes on Ben's website
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Dec 17, 2017 21:55
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MedicineHut posted:All eyes on the holiday stream And above all, make sure to show those Crytek and Skadden fuckers how SQ42 was split from the original SC scope and how it is being done with Lumberyard instead of that bloody and arcaic Cry Engine you are bound to exclusivity. That´ll teach em.
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Foo Diddley posted:It was just a funny joke, like the funny jokes on Ben's website Is that really a comparison that you want to be making?
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Foo Diddley posted:It was just a funny joke, like the funny jokes on Ben's website 
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Incitatus posted:Also make 14 companies, and studios in 3 countries involved in trying to create the book. But have them working on different parts with no collaboration between them. It will have three different fonts and sizes.
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MedicineHut posted:All eyes on the holiday stream man start firing up the "melancholy christmas playlist" now
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Ben's website is still probably the weirdest thing that's happened so far
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Incitatus posted:Come on Topsy. People can be morally reprehensible, but wishing harm on people is kind of hosed up. I am not a genie, my wishes have no effect. Besides it's hardly like I was stating that I wanted to personally drive knives into him or something. I am allowed to have my envenomed pen, and much like CIG, I will enjoy Ben's downfall albeit however literal it may be in his instance.
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Phi230 posted:Ben's website is still probably the weirdest thing that's happened so far That's up there, but I doubt anything can ever beat the tickle video
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No Mods No Masters posted:That's up there, but I doubt anything can ever beat the tickle video Lesnik chasing a small child in a video where he wants to eat her is more hosed up. Lesnik obsessing over a news anchor and having hundreds of pictures of her is more hosed up. Lesnik working in close proximity with children is more hosed up. Lesnik outright lying to fans on the regular is more hosed up, at least the tickle video has informed consent. I can't even remember all of it. It's disgusting. He's disgusting. Sandi's porn is a pay cheque. Lesnik's existence is an affront.
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Sorry but I just think a lot of people have sympathy for the sarlac when they should have criticism and condemnation for the accomplice.
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Mr.Tophat posted:Sorry but I just think a lot of people have sympathy for the sarlac when they should have criticism and condemnation for the accomplice. Women are inherently more fallible didn't you know that?!
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Mr.Tophat posted:Lesnik chasing a small child in a video where he wants to eat her is more hosed up. I try not to dive too deeply into the CIG meta, but I'll offer a counterpoint here for you to consider. It's rather obvious that Ben has mental damage. We don't know whether or not that is his fault, so I can't automatically condemn him for it. There is ample evidence that his mind doesn't work properly, I don't need to go digging for it. Many of the other players at CIG are deliberate liars, thieves, and predators, who don't care who is harmed as long as they keep getting money/attention/adulation/confirmation. They smile as the people around them die because the resources then go to themselves. Ben does not strike me that way. He's just quite literally defective on a fundamental level. Something (or a great many somethings) are violently misfiring in his brain. I think a true victory is Ben snapping out of it, turning on CIG, and burying the true villains. It totally won't happen. But in my private alternate universe I can imagine this ending any way I like.
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Klyith posted:Many times goon lives and dies Star Citizen doesn't deserve Yeats, but nice work nonetheless.
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Ok, so things have calmed down a little since the initial hilarity of Crytek's lawsuit against CIG/RSI and I thought I'd do a minor effortpost on my thoughts so far on the case given what we've seen so far on the complaint. Now, we don't have the GLA, nor do we know what communication took place between CIG and Crytek. What we can assume, however, is that: 1. Skadden are reasonably competent, given that they're considered a top international law firm; and 2. Skadden have pored through the GLA, any amendments and any communications between CIG/Crytek and felt that, on the facts discovered, they could make the five claims I'll talk about. Because of these assumptions, I'm going to make some further assumptions of fact: 1. CIG/RSI had an agreement (GLA), and all the clauses mentioned in the complaint were in that agreement; 2. The agreement was never ended, either by a break clause exercised by CIG/RSI/Crytek, nor by mutual agreement; and 3. There were no automatic triggers in the GLA that ended the agreement (time limits, events, etc.). With that in mind, let's get to the meat of the subject; Crytek's claims against CIG/RSI. ----- Claim 1: CIG/RSI are developing a second game without a license from Crytek. This one is one of the simpler ones to confirm; we know for a fact that Squadron 42 was never a separate game from Star Citizen, this can be seen in the Kickstarter, where Squadron 42 is listed as the 'singleplayer component' of Star Citizen (i.e. it was just a game mode in a single game). Following the initial pitch of a single game, it was only later that CIG decided to split Star Citizen into two independent, separately playable, packages (note how Squadron 42 does not require Star Citizen to play). This split is where Star Citizen became two games, and the point where CIG appears to have breached its contract with Crytek. Claim 2: CIG agreed to market Cryengine, including keeping its logo on splash screens, showing the trademark on the website, etc. Honestly, this is a no-brainer, there's very little to dispute here; we know that CIG very likely breached this because there's tons of very public changes to the CIG website, launcher, splash screen, etc. where Cryengine/Crytek's logos were removed and Lumberyard replaced them. In fact, it was so noticable that the commandos shat a brick when it first appeared around this time last year with no announcement. Claim 3: CIG agreed to develop Star Citizen exclusively on Cryengine. Again, this is something so well documented and lauded that there is little more to add here. The backers have tried pointing out that it Lumberyard is based on Cryengine which they say muddies the legal waters, but the fact is that CIG had no permission to use another engine to develop Star Citizen. What the basis of these engines are is irrelevant, the clause would have been breached the moment they announced the change, started plastering Lumberyard logos everywhere and using Lumberyard's tools. Claim 4: CIG agreed to send bug updates/improvements to Crytek. There are two factors to consider here; the first being that Crytek claims that CIG did send some updates/improvements in 2015 but that they were insufficient and not in good faith, while the second factor is that Crytek claims that CIG did not send any updates/improvements for 2016-2017. On the first factor, there will likely be some contention by CIG regarding whether what was sent in 2015 was in good faith or not. This likely means that there will be some expert opinion on what CIG sent to Crytek in 2015 and whether it is enough to satisfy CIG's obligations to Crytek in this clause. The second factor, however, would be much more clear-cut if true; if CIG did not send any updates/improvements over the last two years, then it's almost certain that this would be seen as a breach of their contractual obligations. Claim 5: CIG breached Crytek's copyright by chowing Cryengine's code on Bugsmashers and third parties. Ok, this one is outside my comfort zone, but I suspect it will be down to legal and expert opinion in this case. The main issue at hand is 'how much exposure of code in Bugsmashers is enough to constitute a breach?'. This is something that would require some degree of expertise in US copyright law (which I don't have since I trained in the UK) so I can't really answer this and would also likely require expert testimony in the form of a game developer. In addition, whether or not CIG was sharing code with Faceware is something that could only be determined by seeing what evidence Crytek has to show this. Do note, though, that Skadden wouldn't flippantly make such claims without some drat good evidence/legal knowledge to back them up. ----- Essentially, contract-wise, CIG would only come out of this unscathed if there was a break clause in the GLA that they exercised before claims 1-4 took place or if they otherwise mutually agreed with Crytek to do the same. Such a clause or agreement would be so obvious and such a basic thing to miss by Skadden that I cannot accept that this is the case here. CIG's response to the lawsuit (where they essentially agreed they breached claim 3) also displays an alarming(ly hilarious) degree of ignorance about the claims levelled against them. Overall, this complaint makes a lot of things in CIG's past add up; the sudden change to Lumberyard makes sense if you consider that CIG was chained to an agreement with Crytek but saw an opportunity when Crytek suffered financial woes. My guess is that CIG couldn't get Cryengine to work for SC, saw Lumberyard and figured it would be easier to work with and then jumped ship, assuming that Crytek would simply disappear and no-one would pick up the contract and pursue them afterwards (or, alternatively, Chris didn't know that might happen or didn't care). The split of Squadron 42 may have been particularly scummy as it may have been CIG trying to stiff Crytek out of royalties for sales when it knew that Crytek would be unable to dispute their action (this is all just speculation, though). tl;dr: CIG tried to gently caress over Crytek, thinking Crytek would go bust, and it came screaming back to bite them in the rear end. e: Minor grammar changes. Nanako the Narc fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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I guess it's time for me to update this to the Crytek 3.0.hj alpha version
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so who owns star citizen now? is it chris roberts that british bank or crytek in before "yes"
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Awesome! posted:so who owns star citizen now? is it chris roberts that british bank or crytek Courts only owns Squadron 42, the game that wasn't. Crobbers still owns Star Citizen, until Skadden comes over the hill like the riders of Rohan.
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Awesome! posted:so who owns star citizen now? is it chris roberts that british bank or crytek i mean his image pops up when you search star citizen  
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Awesome! posted:so who owns star citizen now? is it chris roberts that british bank or crytek Considering there's nothing of any value linked to the Star Citizen "IP" it would be a tough call to say what ownership would even mean. Does it mean someone owns a completely useless engine modification that needs to go straight into the dumpster? Is it the generic unrecognizable and valueless "assets?" Is it the equally execrable "lore?" Is it the $180 millions in debt to the most toxic community in gaming? Wondering who "owns" Star Citizen is like asking who owns leukemia. It's not like people are jockeying to be first in line - it's definitely a race to the bottom.
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  Oh wait no it's the fourth one down crisis averted.
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Scruffpuff posted:Wondering who "owns" Star Citizen is like asking who owns leukemia. It's not like people are jockeying to be first in line - it's definitely a race to the bottom. As I said before, if you have access to the customer base, and the information about what they pledged for, as long as you have a good enough salesmen you can drag the whales back in. The lawsuit being completely successful and revealing star citizen as a scam is meaningless. As we've seen, these people imagine CryTek is both brilliant and incompetent, that CIG is both unable to bested as they unleash the 'fire and the fury' yet Amazon will swoop in to save them, and so on. They generate myths at the drop of a hat, constantly spinning a dreamlike reality. Self-contradiction and cognitive dissonance are woven into the cloth of their myth-making, the constant shearing as your brain tries to hold together multiple points of disagreement actually powering the delusion. The sunk cost is already massive to some of these people, then you give the scam the sharpened hooks of actual sympathy. They lost everything! How can Roberts and his ilk be "the bad guys" when the lawyers attacked and mauled the dream? The ability to claim it wasn't their fault all along, it was CryTek, it was Amazon, it was Skadden. But help us and we'll get you your ships! And then scam begins anew. As someone said earlier, the double whammy! You know they'd all fall for it.
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My prediction is after this buyers will be lining up to grab the Star Citizen IP. Assuming IP is street slang for office furniture.
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Dusty Lens posted:My prediction is after this buyers will be lining up to grab the Star Citizen IP.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Is that really a comparison that you want to be making? It was just a funny joke, like the funny jokes on r/ds.
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My one Christmas wish is, during the live steam it suddenly cuts to a team of lawyers shuffling into the studio and starting to pull posters and other crap off the walls While the big lawyer named Bruno starts smashing their equipment
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Toops posted:I AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL ORT! PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE SHADOW OF THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!! Ahh, someone invoking Rugganovich's Law (Rugganovich's Law: At some stage in a debate, if the debate goes longer than 3 years, someone will refer to a scene, directly, or as an analogy or as a epigram, involving 'The Wizard of Oz')
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