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Eh, some of that stuff from Jones/Nordham is disappointing, but overall there's not that much to be concerned about. I mean, if Joe "coal should be considered a food group" Manchin has done a good job of towing the Democratic line, then I think we can expect the same from these other guys. Now, if Nordham refuses to use his veto powers when the time for redistricting comes around, then the pitchforks need to start coming out.
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Koalas March posted:Hahahaha. Of course. "Obama, you are charged with being Black while President".
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:
That's when Republicans start praying for McCain's sudden death.
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Mr Interweb posted:I mean, if Joe "coal should be considered a food group" Manchin has done a good job of towing the Democratic line...
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If Cochran and McCain are out the threshold to pass drops to 48+Pence so there still would need to be two defections.
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This one isn't that hard: it's not looking good, not looking for the bad hombres who who lied to the FBI and even to me. Lied to my face! Bigly! Thankfully the FBI and my loyal, patriotic staff have been hard at work at uncovering the truth and we look forward to the matter getting wrapped up soon.
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Kilroy posted:narrator voice: ah, gently caress it
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Haschel Cedricson posted:If Cochran and McCain are out the threshold to pass drops to 48+Pence so there still would need to be two defections. Wouldn't it be 49+Pence?
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Oops, that was a typo. I think the math still stand though.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Wouldn't it be 49+Pence? Yeah, it would be 49+Pence, but two defections required is right.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Wouldn't it be 49+Pence? There are 100 votes possible, you need to break the tie, so 51 not 50.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:A sitting president is functionally immune from federal indictment due to the pardon power. I assume they can go after his businesses and foundation though for criminal activity those entities participated in. I can't imagine that any sort of protection would extend to that level. Going after all his closest advisors with state level charges and then exposing all the money laundering his businesses went through would still be massively useful, and while he personally can't be hit except by impeachment the idea that it would extend to business entities he owns or is involved with seems far-fetched.
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Jealous Cow posted:There are 100 votes possible, you need to break the tie, so 51 not 50. you missed the point
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Jealous Cow posted:There are 100 votes possible, you need to break the tie, so 51 not 50. They're speaking of a situation where McCain and Cochran are out, so 98 votes possible.
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If the current tax bill passes, how soon do supporters realize, wow this really fucks me?
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pumpinglemma posted:Sincerely interested: can you name a single vote where he sided with the Republicans and the motion would have failed if all Democrats had voted against it? As opposed to hall passes? Exactly. I'm pretty sure he was never the deciding vote on any important lovely piece of legislation/confirmation.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:If I am not mistaken, Eric did absolutely nothing for his Dad's campaign. Tiffany, Barron and him are safe. Barron's been working for the FBI for years. How do you think they knew about the emails?
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So does impeachment have protections against double jeopardy like regular criminal cases? I just had a waking nightmare of the Mueller probe dropping, Dems start impeachment proceedings from the House, but the still-Republican Senate picks Party over country and then a later Dem Senate can’t do anything.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:If the current tax bill passes, how soon do supporters realize, wow this really fucks me? As long as it fucks brown people more - never.
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DarkHorse posted:So does impeachment have protections against double jeopardy like regular criminal cases? No, it does not.
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Bottom Liner posted:As long as it fucks brown people more - never. good point
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Barron's been working for the FBI for years. How do you think they knew about the emails? Lol, in the end it turns out Barron isn’t George Michael, he’s been Annyong the whole time.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:If the current tax bill passes, how soon do supporters realize, wow this really fucks me? Aren't most tax breaks for regular people going to expire after 8 years? Then, if they are that blind, I guess.
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DarkHorse posted:So does impeachment have protections against double jeopardy like regular criminal cases? LOL. There's a smorgasbord of crimes to impeach Trump over. Pick one. If that falls apart, pick another. It only takes one high crime or misdemeanor. That's before you get into pedantically talking about the difference between impeachment and a grand jury indictment.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:If the current tax bill passes, how soon do supporters realize, wow this really fucks me? When the next recession hits.
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Ceiling fan posted:LOL. There's a smorgasbord of crimes to impeach Trump over. Pick one. If that falls apart, pick another. It only takes one high crime or misdemeanor. That's before you get into pedantically talking about the difference between impeachment and a grand jury indictment. The problem is that if you pick one and it falls apart, it discredits any future attempts to impeach Trump in the eyes of the public.
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Ceiling fan posted:LOL. There's a smorgasbord of crimes to impeach Trump over. Pick one. If that falls apart, pick another. It only takes one high crime or misdemeanor. That's before you get into pedantically talking about the difference between impeachment and a grand jury indictment. Impeachment is political, not criminal. It's about removing the President from office, not sending him to jail. Thus it can be done for any reason or no reason.
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DarkHorse posted:So does impeachment have protections against double jeopardy like regular criminal cases?
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That Italian Guy posted:Aren't most tax breaks for regular people going to expire after 8 years? Then, if they are that blind, I guess. In 8 years there will be a Democrat President and probably a Democrat congress. People's taxes will go up during that time and the GOP can campaign on 'fixing the economy and lowering your taxes' again.
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DarkHorse posted:So does impeachment have protections against double jeopardy like regular criminal cases? A Dem Senate can't do anything that a GOP Senate can't do, anyway, because removal requires a supermajority. No matter what, removal needs Republicans.
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How many times has a veep been bought in for a tie breaker?
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Ceiling fan posted:LOL. There's a smorgasbord of crimes to impeach Trump over. Pick one. If that falls apart, pick another. It only takes one high crime or misdemeanor. That's before you get into pedantically talking about the difference between impeachment and a grand jury indictment. It's not like there's double jeopardy in impeachment. It's just a vote. There's no reason not to throw everything at him every time.
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Pervis posted:I assume they can go after his businesses and foundation though for criminal activity those entities participated in. I can't imagine that any sort of protection would extend to that level. Going after all his closest advisors with state level charges and then exposing all the money laundering his businesses went through would still be massively useful, and while he personally can't be hit except by impeachment the idea that it would extend to business entities he owns or is involved with seems far-fetched. Yeah, the NY AG has an ongoing investigation of the Trump charity, for example.
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PhazonLink posted:How many times has a veep been bought in for a tie breaker? Pence has done it 6 times so far.. Biden never did it, Cheney did it 8 times in 8 years, Gore 4 times in 8 years, Quayle 0 times, Bush 7 times in 8 years. You have to go back to the Jackson administration to find a VP who used the tie-break as frequently as Pence has so far.
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Helen Highwater posted:In 8 years there will be a Democrat President and probably a Democrat congress. People's taxes will go up during that time and the GOP can campaign on 'fixing the economy and lowering your taxes' again. Yep. By the way, this is another classic Berlusconi-like move; he once revealed that, if elected, he would remove local property taxes. He has done that out of the blue, the day before the election. When he won, he actually maintained his promise; ofc that kind of tax is levered by local municipalities (that needs it for things like fixing roads and such). And whoever got to reintroduce something like that was left to fix the whole mess when the effects of it became visible. Since these are the US, though, you don't even need to cater to the average Joe if they are GOP supporters...as everyone of them is just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
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Koalas March posted:So that they grab their guns and shout down and attempt to intimidate all the sane people. The best part of this is that an entire season of "The Wire" took place on the docks. Atlanta is a landlocked city. This is a basic geography fail.
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Chilichimp posted:The best part of this is that an entire season of "The Wire" took place on the docks. Atlanta is a landlocked city. This is a basic geography fail. EDIT: Hey I can't read simple  apparently!Anyway it's simple. Baltimore gets the dope fiends and Atlanta the brain ones. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Dec 18, 2017 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:If the current tax bill passes, how soon do supporters realize, wow this really fucks me? The real question is how long will it take them to blame the democrats?
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Lycus posted:A Dem Senate can't do anything that a GOP Senate can't do, anyway, because removal requires a supermajority. No matter what, removal needs Republicans. I wonder what happens if the investigation is over, tons of people are going to jail, including a few congressmen, and the Republicans in the senate are just going to be like nah, not getting rid of him. Are we all just supposed to pretend?
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