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Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

DACK FAYDEN posted:

That makes sense. I didn't think about exactly what you can do when you can pardon everything (it's a lot)

Still isn't an actual settled thing that presidents can actually pardon themselves.

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TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

They must have gone to that baker that refused to make the gay wedding cake.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Still isn't an actual settled thing that presidents can actually pardon themselves.

Yeah, I read this a while back: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/21/4-questions-about-presidential-pardon-power/

quote:

But there are several more circumstantial arguments that, collectively, make a strong case that a self-pardon would be impermissible, experts said.

For starters, the Constitution uses the word "grant," which ordinarily means giving to someone else, said Harold H. Bruff, an emeritus University of Colorado law professor. Going back to its English monarchical origins, a pardon has long been conceived as an act of mercy. Neither of these suggest something that can be done to oneself.

In addition, Bruff said that when the Constitution was being written, "a background value everywhere in the air was that no one should be a judge in their own cause." This notion, sometimes referred to in Latin as "nemo judex in causa sua," is a longstanding common-law principle, he said.

"People cannot prosecute, judge, or sit on juries in their own cases. Like a judge who would have to submit to the authority of another judge if he were being prosecuted, a president must seek a pardon from his successor," wrote Brian Kalt, a Michigan State University law professor who has studied pardons extensively.

That is what happened with President Richard Nixon. It was his successor, Gerald Ford, who ultimately pardoned him for Watergate-related crimes. It’s worth noting that a president who accepts a pardon would be seen as having acknowledged committing a crime, which runs the risk of supercharging the impeachment process.

Ultimately, though, no one knows for sure how any of this could play out until the Supreme Court rules. "There really is no answer to this question since it never has arisen," said Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the University of California law school.

The main problem with pardoning himself would be that it would be an admission of guilt in all the charges, as well as an obvious abuse of power and provide substantial grounds for impeachment all by itself. On top of that, it would certainly generate lawsuits that could very well void the pardon in the end anyway.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
Where are the photoshops?

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

How long do you have?

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Helen Highwater posted:

How long do you have?

Till the Muller investigation wraps up.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!


Ted Cruz always looks like he has a severe allergic reaction to like, being alive.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Cruz in Tan Suit, Putting Mustard on Cubes He Needs to Gorge On

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
"people"

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

GoutPatrol posted:

Cruz in Tan Suit, Putting Mustard on Cubes He Needs to Gorge On

That's hardly fair, he is demonstrably a big fan of deriving sustenance from human food such as canned soup.

Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you



Great, on top of everything else Don Jr. is one of those assholes that insists cookies are a kind of cake.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

He just saw the "suggested for you" section pornhub gives Ted Cruz.

Erostratus
Jun 18, 2011

by R. Guyovich
That's not a cake, that's not Obama, and those aren't humans. I don't like anything about that photograph.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Mustached Demon posted:

He just saw the "suggested for you" section pornhub gives Ted Cruz.

Do I want to know what ever resulted from that Ted Cruz lookalike lady and her porn proposal?

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

robothobo.com

Lycus posted:

Where are the photoshops?
I can't think of anything I could do to that photograph that wouldn't accidentally make it look less stupid and more respectable than the original.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Do I want to know what ever resulted from that Ted Cruz lookalike lady and her porn proposal?

No one does.

DiggityDoink
Dec 9, 2007

Speak for yourself.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Mustached Demon posted:

Then he gets removed by the people.

Lol yeah that's not happening

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

GreyjoyBastard posted:

That's hardly fair, he is demonstrably a big fan of deriving sustenance from human food such as canned soup.

Can a shop cart even hold 100 cans of soup?

Also at no point did anyone think $100($1/can) was like really stupid?

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Too bad those under 35s don't vote

Your Boy Fancy
Feb 7, 2003

by Cyrano4747

Charliegrs posted:

Too bad those under 35s don't vote

Yes, that data has clearly borne out this past year

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Charliegrs posted:

Lol yeah that's not happening

I mean poo poo, it's about as unbelievable as him getting elected in the first place was

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!
The Obama on that cake looks more like a cross between Obama and Mueller.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Charliegrs posted:

Too bad those under 35s don't vote

You just like to poo poo all over everything don't you?

Mercury Ballistic
Nov 14, 2005

not gun related
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/365377-law-firm-sues-kushner-real-estate-business-for-unpaid-bills

Gotta get the paperwork in asap before the ship sinks and everyone wants their piece of the pie.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Republicans posted:

Great, on top of everything else Don Jr. is one of those assholes that insists cookies are a kind of cake.

Well, both of them are quick breads...

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

pseudorandom name posted:

Well, both of them are quick breads...

American Pie: Technically About A Sandwich

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
:trumppop:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/942592770950221824

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

OneEightHundred posted:

The Obama on that cake looks more like a cross between Obama and Mueller.

Another reason why he should be fired.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005



Donnie and his utmost circle of media shills are the only people who think this didn't happen.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Welp, he's gone

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

PhazonLink posted:

Can a shop cart even hold 100 cans of soup?

Also at no point did anyone think $100($1/can) was like really stupid?

Now I'm visualizing Ted carefully piloting two simultaneous shopping carts, each with exactly fifty cans of human nutrient canned soup. Like the normal human being he is.

Evilreaver
Feb 26, 2007

GEORGE IS GETTIN' AUGMENTED!
Dinosaur Gum

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Now I'm visualizing Ted carefully piloting two simultaneous shopping carts, each with exactly fifty cans of human nutrient canned soup. Like the normal human being he is.

True visionaries buy soup in packs of 365

Spacehams
Jun 3, 2007

sometimes people are mean, and I think they should try being nice
Grimey Drawer

It's pretty amazing how successfully the GOP has poisoned their image among an entire generation. If you're under 35 your only memories of the GOP in power are the Iraq War (if you're old enough you might even have had a friend killed), the financial crisis, shutting down the government, and Trump.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Charliegrs posted:

Lol yeah that's not happening

Their is the situation where trump declares himself god king and pardons all crime so he can reign supreme and everyone just goes with it.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

dont even fink about it posted:

Donnie and his utmost circle of media shills are the only people who think this didn't happen.

Oh, Donnie knows it happened. He was an active player in it. Lying about it and intimidating everyone is his standard method of dealing with legal issues. If that fails, payoffs under the table usually make bad things go away. Except not in this case and he's freaking.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

aware of dog posted:

Welp, he's gone

*Five years later, at the end of all things*

“Welp, he’s gone.”

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.


Get ready for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo :v:

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Office Pig posted:

*Five years later, at the end of all things*

“Welp, he’s gone.”

Nah, he's gone as soon as his year is up.

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Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


RZApublican posted:

Get ready for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo :v:

Or it's :mitt: time to shine.

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