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I don't think ESPN would put out a supportive press release if there was more to come, but I guess I shouldn't put too much faith in institutions at this point
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Disney will replace him with the Fox Sports guy who made their website go to all-video.
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Timby posted:Disney will replace him with the Fox Sports guy who made their website go to all-video. Please no
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iospace posted:Please no Didn't that guy actually get fired for some combo of alcohol+grabass?
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/Smooth_Orator/status/942789699927707649 well substance abuse usually isn't a noticeable problem until it affects someone's behavior and they do something outside the lines of acceptable. So, yeah, he did something while hosed up, coulda been as simple as missing work too much or he coulda had a meltdown in the office, who knows? other option is it seriously affected his health, but that seems slightly less likely (why would that make you resign?)
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Didn't that guy actually get fired for some combo of alcohol+grabass? I had honestly completely forgotten that Horowitz got taken out in a sex scandal. Also, reading between the lines on Skipper it sounds like he was showing up to work still drunk from the night before.
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EvanTH posted:other option is it seriously affected his health, but that seems slightly less likely (why would that make you resign?) Because being both president and the public face of a gargantuan cable network is likely an enormous, stressful timesink that doesn't allow for much downtime.
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Dec 18, 2017 18:01
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EvanTH posted:other option is it seriously affected his health, but that seems slightly less likely (why would that make you resign?) The statement says his resignation was "mutually agreed" upon by both him and Iger, which is corporate lingo for "quit, or else we're firing you."
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Dec 18, 2017 18:03
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So....hookers and blow?
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shyduck posted:Here's the link for the official announcement Papi eat the contract
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shyduck posted:Here's the link for the official announcement If he was high out of his mind the last few years that goes a long way towards explaining ESPN's decision-making process.
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Dec 18, 2017 18:24
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LOL to imagine that all the ESPN excess and subsequent bloodletting occurred because John Skipper was showing up to work shitfaced.
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Dec 18, 2017 18:29
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DJExile posted:Because being both president and the public face of a gargantuan cable network is likely an enormous, stressful timesink that doesn't allow for much downtime. Resign as opposed to taking some company-backed sabbatical where they release public statements about how caring and good an organization they are and of course they have the utmost sympathy for his disease Timby posted:The statement says his resignation was "mutually agreed" upon by both him and Iger, which is corporate lingo for "quit, or else we're firing you." Yeah
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Dec 18, 2017 18:34
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Crazy Ted posted:LOL to imagine that all the ESPN excess and subsequent bloodletting occurred because John Skipper was showing up to work shitfaced. Nah, the mandate to cut the budget (I think it was like $350 million over two years) came directly from Disney / Iger, because the company is hemorrhaging money on ESPN (the Monday Night Football deal, in particular, is a millstone).
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Awful Announcing's Ben Koo with a pretty good point https://twitter.com/bkoo/status/942826520774524929
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DJExile posted:Awful Announcing's Ben Koo with a pretty good point Also if it's over the Jemele Hill thing, it wouldn't be so abrupt. We' get a "Skipper will be stepping down on February 1". Maybe it's all legit and he's really got a problem and is seeking help for it. But with everything going on, you wonder if that's the excuse that'll be used if we find out a bunch of women came forward with some stories.
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Niwrad posted:Also if it's over the Jemele Hill thing, it wouldn't be so abrupt. We' get a "Skipper will be stepping down on February 1". Either what we're getting is the whole story, or he's making a cover for something worst like sexual harassment. Like others have said though, if there was another shoe to drop, the company wouldn't have put out the statement they did.
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I dunno, outing yourself as having a substance abuse problem seems like really poor cover if sexual abuse claims are gonna get out there anyway. I mean who really knows at this point but there are dozens of excuses for him to leave if it's actually sexual harassment/abuse that don't also make him sound like a junkie.
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I think in the current environment, admitting to a drug problem is a more graceful exit than sex abuse claims.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think in the current environment, admitting to a drug problem is a more graceful exit than sex abuse claims. Oh totally, but if it's not actually the case and the sex abuse stuff comes out (if it happened it totally will), it just makes you look even worse.
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He wasn't addicted to drugs or booze. His substance of choice was "new sets" and the only rehab for that is "you're fired stop spending our goddamn money."
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GobiasIndustries posted:I dunno, outing yourself as having a substance abuse problem seems like really poor cover if sexual abuse claims are gonna get out there anyway. I mean who really knows at this point but there are dozens of excuses for him to leave if it's actually sexual harassment/abuse that don't also make him sound like a junkie. Nah, a lot of people who get busted sexually harassing or assaulting women blame it on booze or drugs. "You see I propositioned the interns not because I'm a pervert abusing my power, but because I was drunk". Maybe it has nothing to do with that stuff but with all the stories coming out on ESPN, it sure looks like something else is up.
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The amount of glee and football-spiking that's been generated by this announcement has been gross by basic human dignity standards and pretty normal by internet standards. It shouldn't have surprised me, but it did.
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I wonder how many people he laid off are unable to get treatment for substance abuse
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Niwrad posted:Nah, a lot of people who get busted sexually harassing or assaulting women blame it on booze or drugs. "You see I propositioned the interns not because I'm a pervert abusing my power, but because I was drunk". I get that too, it just seems odd to lead with substance abuse to me  I hope that's all to the story and that he's legit getting help.
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Timby posted:Nah, the mandate to cut the budget (I think it was like $350 million over two years) came directly from Disney / Iger, because the company is hemorrhaging money on ESPN (the Monday Night Football deal, in particular, is a millstone). Especially MNF.
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Crazy Ted posted:Well yes I know this, but him coming to work hammered would seem like a jokingly, halfway-plausible cause for some of the financial decisions he made, like Monday Night Football and ungodly amounts of money on studio renovations. like when nbc got sunday night football we all knew espn was getting the short end with mondays the nfl putting a higher priority on thursday night games didn't help either
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Crazy Ted posted:Well yes I know this, but him coming to work hammered would seem like a jokingly, halfway-plausible cause for some of the financial decisions he made, like Monday Night Football and ungodly amounts of money on studio renovations. The acting chair is the guy responsible for the MNF deal I thought.
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Crazy Ted posted:LOL to imagine that all the ESPN excess and subsequent bloodletting occurred because John Skipper was showing up to work shitfaced. So we should definitely let a bunch of contributors go to pay Woj a million dollars when his main thing is breaking news on twitter? Skipper: *nods out*
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exploded mummy posted:The acting chair is the guy responsible for the MNF deal I thought. Bodenheimer made the call to punt MNF from ABC to ESPN. Skipper signed off on the current deal (signed in 2012, I think?) that I guarantee you ESPN would do anything to get out from.
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chunkles posted:So we should definitely let a bunch of contributors go to pay Woj a million dollars when his main thing is breaking news on twitter?
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chunkles posted:So we should definitely let a bunch of contributors go to pay Woj a million dollars when his main thing is breaking news on twitter?
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Timby posted:Bodenheimer made the call to punt MNF from ABC to ESPN. Skipper signed off on the current deal (signed in 2012, I think?) that I guarantee you ESPN would do anything to get out from. They aren't getting $8 per subscriber without the NFL. They don't just need MNF but they need the highlights that come with it (although I guess you could argue they could buy those rights separately). Skipper made some bad decisions and didn't see cord-cutting coming, but I don't think things are as dire as they're made out to be. ESPN is still really profitable. It's just not as insanely profitable as it was. It seems like they just hit a really nice sweet spot for a number of years where cable was at it's peak and it's tough to blame them fully for changing dynamics and not meeting that ridiculous profitability again.
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Bodenheimer is the guy from the ESPN book that Steve Jobs told "your phone is the stupidest loving idea I've ever seen"
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FlamingLiberal posted:"Darren Rovell? Oh he can't get fired." "Uhhhhhh Sir, Darren Rovell and Stephen A Smith are punting babies off the roof!!!" "Sigh...I guess it's time for their contract extensions"
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Diana Moskovitz has a long reflection on her time as a reporter for NFL Network. It's about what you'd expect.
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DJExile posted:Diana Moskovitz has a long reflection on her time as a reporter for NFL Network. It's about what you'd expect. It actually wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Sounds like most of the emptiness we experience in the corporate world. She did take a few jabs at Deadspin/Gawker at the end which was interesting. Left out the Greg Howard stuff but still interesting.
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DJExile posted:Diana Moskovitz has a long reflection on her time as a reporter for NFL Network. It's about what you'd expect. this was a really great article. I liked how it linked contemporary journalism (and really so many other professions) with labour in the NFL: basically the NFL labour situation is a microcosm for American garbage capitalism. I also thought it did a good job of highlighting how in these precarious situations (only enhanced by poo poo labour situations) gender discrimination is more easily swept under the rug. It''s difficult to file a grievance about any type of discrimination when you're not a real employee and the turnover is already so insane.
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My favorite bit is her asking why the cheerleaders have to wear their uniforms but the players don't. I know cheerleaders and players aren't exactly an apples to apples comparison in the NFL but that's a pretty egregious example of sexism in the workplace, especially considering that they told a woman who dared ask a question about it to be quiet and not to ask those kind of questions.
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