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Keetron posted:I am going to xpost this to the working in corporate thread, but my co-devs will not shut up about bitcoin and other crypto currency. How do I explain to them they are being swindled out of their money without sounding like a dick? And yes, I understand bitcoin and blockchain, that doesn't mean I like the bitcoin and other currency implementations. Hell, I understand a lot of things that I have no desire to obtain. Either way, is your workplace also a bunch of people blowing up that bubble a bit more? I hope you're hinting that these two are related and your ops people have embezzled money to buy bitcoins.
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Mniot posted:I hope you're hinting that these two are related and your ops people have embezzled money to buy bitcoins. I would never suggest that, or hint at them using prod systems to mine coins. Either way, there is absolutely no information on this so all hints and suggestions, if I would make them at all, are fabrications of my or other's imagination. There is of course the other strange coincidence that one was about to go abroad for a while for some vague reason.
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Carbon dioxide posted:My job kinda encourages drinking beer. Everyone got a big box of beer for christmas.
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Dec 17, 2017 10:28
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Vulture Culture posted:This is cool if it's something that had been discussed with everyone beforehand, but this is the kind of thing that gets into weird ADA territory if anyone at the company is a recovering alcoholic, or EEOC territory if anyone is from a religion that prohibits alcohol consumption (i.e. Mormonism, Islam, SIkhism) Or if you have underage interns, or if you have active, non-recovering alcoholics, or if you have both of those and one keeps giving beer to the other. I'm so over the culture of the beer o'clock software company.
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Dec 17, 2017 15:20
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I occasionally think back to the job I was fired from in January for being a "poor fit." It was a remote job at a mainly on-site company and I remember that I had accidentally insulted the CEO over chat by saying that having beer taps in an office was "obviously loving stupid" only to find out quickly that they had beer taps in the office. Anyway, glad I don't work at that obviously loving stupid company anymore. The main thing I've learned in my career is to be a dick and never apologize.
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rt4 posted:I occasionally think back to the job I was fired from in January for being a "poor fit." It was a remote job at a mainly on-site company and I remember that I had accidentally insulted the CEO over chat by saying that having beer taps in an office was "obviously loving stupid" only to find out quickly that they had beer taps in the office. Every time I start working with a new person I tell them: "If my code is poo poo, tell me it's poo poo, I don't need people to sugar coat it for me. But if you do tell me it's poo poo, you better have a good reason as to why it's poo poo, and you better show me a solution to make it not poo poo." This has worked out wonderfully for me. Others get to not worry about pissing me off, and I get to become a better developer as well.
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Dec 17, 2017 20:08
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I was wondering on this most recent Pollyanna Dilemma if the ticket just was "Remove the button" with nothing else. If they are like user stories I have seen, then I would believe it. My one gripe in code reviews is the folks that are flabbergasted that I have not solved All The Things with my one rinkydink commit and use the code review to request new features. Such is life.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I was wondering on this most recent Pollyanna Dilemma if the ticket just was "Remove the button" with nothing else. If they are like user stories I have seen, then I would believe it. I'm just gonna outsource my posts to Rocko from now on 
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Keetron posted:I am going to xpost this to the working in corporate thread, but my co-devs will not shut up about bitcoin and other crypto currency. How do I explain to them they are being swindled out of their money without sounding like a dick? And yes, I understand bitcoin and blockchain, that doesn't mean I like the bitcoin and other currency implementations. Hell, I understand a lot of things that I have no desire to obtain. Either way, is your workplace also a bunch of people blowing up that bubble a bit more? Is there a gambling addict support line in your country (Netherlands?) you could encourage these people to call? JFC Hughlander posted:Meanwhile at my work on of the early joiners has quit after cashing out 40% of of his holdings for high 8 digits and moved to CA. Where did he go through to cash out that much?
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Munkeymon posted:Where did he go through to cash out that much? I'm betting he "sold" it to an exchange that double pinky swear promises that they have more than $10,000 cash on hand and now he has a very pretty number that he could draw down from, but won't.
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Volmarias posted:I'm betting he "sold" it to an exchange that double pinky swear promises that they have more than $10,000 cash on hand and now he has a very pretty number that he could draw down from, but won't. Ah yes, that is the problem! This morning, like they do every morning between 7 and 8, one guy bragged that he sold for a thousand this weekend but then bought dogecoin for the money. Now he still has nothing but a counter on a website. A website that is run from the money people give it to buy bitcoins that they will keep for you while they take your money and run their services from it. You know, how many stories are there of people who actually cashed out, that have the money in actual dollars/euro/whatever in the bank? The biggest problem I have with bitcoin is that there is no added value to the world, just resources that are being used for reasons greed and the anonymity basically guarantees that it brings out the worst in people. The dickwad theory. Maybe I should not worry about it and go on with my life, this amount of stupidity gives me anxiety.
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When bitcoin hit $15000 I cashed out my .00067 btc paper wallet that a friend was handing out at a party. It was worth $5 when he gave it to me, and I got a little under $100 and bought a nice bottle of whiskey. That’s my bitcoin story.
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A friend of mine has something like 90 bitcoins. I don't know enough about the market to validate this, but he claims it's essentially impossible to turn them into USD due to transaction limits.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:42
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:A friend of mine has something like 90 bitcoins. I don't know enough about the market to validate this, but he claims it's essentially impossible to turn them into USD due to transaction limits. Has he tried buying illegal firearms with them? Maybe some illicit drugs?
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Dec 18, 2017 20:47
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:A friend of mine has something like 90 bitcoins. I don't know enough about the market to validate this, but he claims it's essentially impossible to turn them into USD due to transaction limits. Sell them to other idiot. Sell 1 a week or something. If he can't figure it out I'll take them off his hands and do something with them.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:56
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KoRMaK posted:Sell them to other idiot. Sell 1 a week or something. If he can't figure it out I'll take them off his hands and do something with them. Cool, now you've either tripped the FinCEN threshold of $10k triggering an investigation, or you made several sub-$10k transactions and that gets you nailed harder.
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JawnV6 posted:Cool, now you've either tripped the FinCEN threshold of $10k triggering an investigation, or you made several sub-$10k transactions and that gets you nailed harder. I don't know what that means, assuming until now he's just been a good tax paying saleryman, is that still a big deal?
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JawnV6 posted:Cool, now you've either tripped the FinCEN threshold of $10k triggering an investigation, or you made several sub-$10k transactions and that gets you nailed harder. Whatever, I'll file the taxes. I'm allowed to make money.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:14
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KoRMaK posted:Whatever, I'll file the taxes. I'm allowed to make money. It’s not a tax issue, it’s that any large transaction looks identical to money laundering, and you’re almost assuredly not worth that trouble to your bank.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:39
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In any case, I haven't done anything illegal. So long as I file my taxes I should be fine if they come sniffing. Plus, I'lll have enough buttcoin money to pay an accountant and lawyer to deal with it.
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It's funny to me that you're probably better off actually laundering your BTC than transferring it through a legitimate institution.
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Well, thats true of anything where you make a bunch of money, even via legitimate means. If I restore cars I bet I'd have to deal with the same thing.
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KoRMaK posted:In any case, I haven't done anything illegal. So long as I file my taxes I should be fine if they come sniffing. Plus, I'lll have enough buttcoin money to pay an accountant and lawyer to deal with it. KoRMaK posted:Well, thats true of anything where you make a bunch of money, even via legitimate means. If I restore cars I bet I'd have to deal with the same thing.
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The Fool posted:It's funny to me that you're probably better off actually laundering your BTC than transferring it through a legitimate institution. Bitcoin, where honest men launder their cash, and where criminals transfer through banks.
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KoRMaK posted:Whatever, I'll file the taxes. I'm allowed to make money. And your bank is allowed to freeze your accounts for suspicious activity or just cut you a check and say good luck, which you'll need if they do because they share information about people they cut loose for suspicious activity.
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:A friend of mine has something like 90 bitcoins. I don't know enough about the market to validate this, but he claims it's essentially impossible to turn them into USD due to transaction limits.
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There are a couple of agencies that do real estate deals in Bitcoin, but you'd be left with the real-world taxes on that.
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Vulture Culture posted:There are a couple of agencies that do real estate deals in Bitcoin, but you'd be left with the real-world taxes on that. Sell Bitcoin to invest in Vancouver Real Estate! What could go wrong?
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JawnV6 posted:Yeah, so good luck on the race between declaring a $1M+ windfall, liquidating the BTC through dodgy exchanges that won't do transfers over a $10k cap, and the IRS coming knocking for what, $500k in taxes? I'm not sure any single exchange could handle a $500k cashout without utterly tanking the price. Well, don't do it all at once. Duhhhhh. geez its like you don't want to fleece idiots over the period of 18+ months. $5k at a time
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:Has he considered living in another country? Just follow whichever tropical countries Mcaffee has lived in, he's already vetted them for crazy technocrats.
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Skandranon posted:Sell Bitcoin to invest in Vancouver Real Estate! What could go wrong? You end up on HGtv.
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Skandranon posted:Bitcoin, where honest men launder their cash, and where criminals transfer through banks. Between 2000-2011, Wachovia/Wells Fargo laundered more from drug cartels ($378B) than Bitcoin's current market cap ($315B). That we know of.
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KoRMaK posted:Well, don't do it all at once. Duhhhhh. geez its like you don't want to fleece idiots over the period of 18+ months. $5k at a time
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You’re supposed to buy poo poo using Bitcoins like video cards, drugs, and sell them for cash to last as your ATM for years or just enjoy it for the novelty. I swear this is like the SA version of that Office Space discussion about what you’d do with a million dollars or something.
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necrobobsledder posted:You’re supposed to buy poo poo using Bitcoins like video cards, drugs, and sell them for cash to last as your ATM for years or just enjoy it for the novelty. I swear this is like the SA version of that Office Space discussion about what you’d do with a million dollars or something. Two chicks at the same time man
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Didn't buttcoin also have the equivalent of a split this year with the bitcoin cash nonsense? Anyone holding BTC through that split owes taxes. I hope the IRS really goes hard after the likely billions of dollars owed and forces a price crash as people desperately try to sell. I've gotten a few love letters from the IRS (small owner/employee in startups), and I do my best to follow the rules. When you get one of those, you better be able to explain how you already paid the taxes or things get ugly fast.
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wow this thread is really weird. talk about Agile you ding dongs
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Well, I have hit the point of feeling dread when I wake up in the morning.  Anybody need a embedded Linux guy? I am full stack baby.
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B-Nasty posted:Didn't buttcoin also have the equivalent of a split this year with the bitcoin cash nonsense? Anyone holding BTC through that split owes taxes. You typically owe cap gains when you sell, and nobody is selling. Also, you can't actually sell bitcoin because the exchanges won't let you cash out anything more than trivial amounts.
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evensevenone posted:You typically owe cap gains when you sell, and nobody is selling. Also, you can't actually sell bitcoin because the exchanges won't let you cash out anything more than trivial amounts. Yeah, but splits can be different. Ironically, typical stock splits have special tax exemptions, but because bitcoin is more or less just 'property', getting more of it, i.e., income, is an immediately taxable event. I don't want to derail any further, but here's a discussion: http://fortune.com/2017/11/16/bitcoin-cash-irs/ (like all things buttcoin, nobody knows and it's complicated.)
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