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Kanos posted:I could definitely buy Endeavor not morphing into a total dickhole until later in life(i.e. around the time Shoto was conceived) when he had become old enough to believe he would never personally surpass All Might, which in turn would lead to him becoming truly abusive and driving his wife off the deep end and traumatizing Shoto. Isn't that what his flashback during the All for One fight basically state? That his inability to even get near to the power of All Might started to break him.
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Dec 19, 2017 11:08
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Endeavor really shouldn't get a redemption arc.
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Dec 19, 2017 12:50
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Dec 19, 2017 13:06
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Mordaedil posted:That was awful to read. Yeah. "His family isn't covered in scars and constantly huddling in corners, frightened and weeping, so maybe he isn't actually abusive at all??? well maybe mental abuse but let's just completely ignore that one and move right along to my Todoroki-Is-Deku's-Brother-And-Endeavor-And-Nighteye's-Secret-Anti-AFO-Plot that somehow makes more sense than my detailed defense of an abuser."
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Dec 19, 2017 14:07
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It also ignores that the family members he doesn't think are worth the effort he basically ignores which is another form of abuse.
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Dec 19, 2017 14:12
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This person is a moron and as funnily mentile as their theory sounds I am not loading 84 more images.
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Dec 19, 2017 14:18
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Radish posted:It also ignores that the family members he doesn't think are worth the effort he basically ignores which is another form of abuse. I got to a point where he was comparing the "Don't talk to your brothers" frame with the frame of him talking to his sister, saying that it's fine now because Endeavor lets him speak with his family now. But we're not show anything of him speaking to his brothers, or even shown those brothers as far as I know, so that simplification just ignores them entirely. I gave up on that point, as it doesn't seem like a good summary, even if I do agree that Endeavor is, very broadly speaking, not as bad as he's being made out to be.
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Dec 19, 2017 15:46
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Did someone say "domestic abuse apologetics spread over 90 images?" how did you guys know my ACTUAL FAVOURITE THING!
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Dec 19, 2017 15:53
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I will admit the blood type thing is an unusual and interesting little detail, not that I believe it makes Shoto and Deku related.
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Dec 19, 2017 15:58
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Mraagvpeine posted:I will admit the blood type thing is an unusual and interesting little detail, not that I believe it makes Shoto and Deku related. It's almost definitely just a small mistake from Horikoshi. After all, I doubt many people know that you need a special mutation if you have AB blood to have a son whose blood type is O. Hell, I didn't know until reading the trivia on the MHA wiki's Endeavor page.
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Dec 19, 2017 16:05
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I'm not clicking on the link because I'm at work rn and all but if the "trivia" alluded to here is that Deku and Todoroki somehow have the same blood type or whatever, then that's wrong. This was even a plot point because it affected Stain's quirk
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Dragonatrix posted:I'm not clicking on the link because I'm at work rn and all but if the "trivia" alluded to here is that Deku and Todoroki somehow have the same blood type or whatever, then that's wrong. That's not what it's about. It's about the fact that Endeavor is a good boy.
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Dec 19, 2017 17:14
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Remember that thing in Batman Beyond where Terry's parents having a child with black hair was incredibly unlikely from a genetic standpoint? So they decided at the last minute to say that he was actually secretly Bruce's son the whole time, and undermined everything important about the character in the process? Remember how loving stupid that was? Because that's basically what this literal abuse apologist is trying to do. Edit: The only good Deku-With-Powers AU is the one where he gets a combination of his parents' quirks so he gets pyrokinesis. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Dec 19, 2017 17:23
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PMush Perfect posted:Remember that thing in Batman Beyond where Terry's parents having a child with black hair was incredibly unlikely from a genetic standpoint? So they decided at the last minute to say that he was actually secretly Bruce's son the whole time, and undermined everything important about the character in the process? Yeah that retcon by Justice League after Batman Beyond had finished still really annoys me.
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Dec 19, 2017 17:41
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This is no Hyuga Family Eugenics Masterplan, that's for sure.
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Dec 19, 2017 18:04
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Mordaedil posted:That was awful to read. Yeah i stopped halfway, which was still too far into it. I feel dirty now.
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Dec 19, 2017 18:15
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In conclusion, Endeavor is a land of contrasts.
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Dec 19, 2017 18:20
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Endeavor is very clearly a good hero who is also a bad person, but a lot of people try to argue that his good hero aspects counteract his being a bad person. This one in particular just goes way too far into it, and then throws a very dumb theory out there to cap it off. I couldn't even sort of read the whole thing, but went back and skipped to the end to see what people were talking about with Deku.
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Dec 19, 2017 18:26
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I do appreciate that My Hero Academia has a very huge cast of characters who feel unique in some way. Endeavor being the 2nd best hero, seeing this in action in the anime, presents that despite his rude behavior and his family related issues, he does have the talent. At the same time, I could understand that it’s hard to feel “okay” with a character who has abused their family to some degree. I’d like to think that the argument presented was to show that Endeavor, like every character in MHA, has gray areas and depth to who they are, but they also have issue presenting their points strongly.
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Dec 19, 2017 18:33
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after all might gets depowered doesn't endevor have a inner thought that goes like "what the gently caress was all that for then?" implying the forced marraige and abuse? also it's pretty obvious most of endevor's abuse is emotional/psychological
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Dec 19, 2017 20:15
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All this endeavor talk has me hyped for this next chapter
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Dec 19, 2017 20:22
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I didn't think that the post was that bad. a bit convoluted but it's not really that stupid. I don't think it's out of the question for Endeavor to turn out to not be so bad. Blaze Dragon posted:It's almost definitely just a small mistake from Horikoshi. After all, I doubt many people know that you need a special mutation if you have AB blood to have a son whose blood type is O. Hell, I didn't know until reading the trivia on the MHA wiki's Endeavor page. I would hope that the guy who wrote a character whose powers specifically worked around blood types would know about how blood types are inherited.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:37
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Elfgames posted:after all might gets depowered doesn't endevor have a inner thought that goes like "what the gently caress was all that for then?" implying the forced marraige and abuse? I thought it was more like "I put all this effort in to beat this guy and then he went and lost it all regardless of me." Like he was mad that he gained the top #1 spot because of events that largely didn't involve him.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:52
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mabels big day posted:I would hope that the guy who wrote a character whose powers specifically worked around blood types would know about how blood types are inherited. The way blood types are viewed in Japan can be rather...superstitious. It's possible that Horikoshi just thought a blood-type-based power would be cool. Or that Endeavor just has cis AB, if you're looking for a Watsonian explanation. I'm pretty sure Todoroki's mother, at least, thinks he's Endeavor's son, or else she wouldn't have scarred his fire side like that. Though Todoroki actually being Midoriya's half-brother is an entertaining crack theory.
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Radish posted:I thought it was more like "I put all this effort in to beat this guy and then he went and lost it all regardless of me." Like he was mad that he gained the top #1 spot because of events that largely didn't involve him. Worse than that (from Endeavor's perspective): All Might went out with a bang in such a way that Endeavor will never be able to surpass him now. Endeavor will always be #1 with an asterisk; there's always going to be the niggling thought (at least in his own mind) that All Might would be better if he still had his powers.
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Dec 19, 2017 21:04
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its cool that a guy who has never experienced abuse made a huge theory about how endeavour isn't actually an abuser bc his kids were happy playing in a flashback even cooler that someone thought it was smart to post it
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Dec 19, 2017 21:11
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Just popping in to say I love this series. Started with the anime a few weeks ago and finished it, thought I'd wait for the next season to start. Last night I read the Manga up to bakugo getting captured and I can't handle the insanity.
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Dec 19, 2017 21:22
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I stopped reading at "this is not the face of a person that was abused" and I'm gonna look side eyed at everyone who continued after that
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Dec 19, 2017 21:28
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Kingtheninja posted:Just popping in to say I love this series. Started with the anime a few weeks ago and finished it, thought I'd wait for the next season to start.  Stay out of the thread until you're caught up though, we're terrible about spoilers.
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Dec 19, 2017 21:31
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Kild posted:its cool that a guy who has never experienced abuse made a huge theory about how endeavour isn't actually an abuser bc his kids were happy playing in a flashback I didn't post it because I agreed with it.
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Dec 19, 2017 21:34
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Silver2195 posted:Worse than that (from Endeavor's perspective): All Might went out with a bang in such a way that Endeavor will never be able to surpass him now. Endeavor will always be #1 with an asterisk; there's always going to be the niggling thought (at least in his own mind) that All Might would be better if he still had his powers. Endeavor, the Tom Brady of anime.
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Tarodia posted:I stopped reading at "this is not the face of a person that was abused" and I'm gonna look side eyed at everyone who continued after that That's right around where I stopped. It made me a bit actually angry.
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Dec 19, 2017 21:57
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"endeavor abused his family but not as much as you guys think!!!" is a weird hill to die on and idk what that guy was trying to prove with it but he sure did put a lot of effort into his endeavor apologist theory
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Dec 19, 2017 22:36
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Manatee Cannon posted:"endeavor abused his family but not as much as you guys think!!!" is a weird hill to die on and idk what that guy was trying to prove with it but he sure did put a lot of effort into his endeavor apologist theory Two points he made that are worth exploring IMO are: 1) When it comes to his retellings, Shoto is an unreliable narrator. This is true of basically all of MHA's characters and is part of what makes it good, in my view. 2) The only evidence of Shoto's abuse comes from his mother. There's a whole lot of fluff and needless poo poo in that massive picture dump outside of that, though. I think it is interesting to look at Endeavor's desires to have Shoto surpass All Might be in relation to One for All. That's a pretty huge stretch from what we know about the series though, so we'll see. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Dec 19, 2017 22:48
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Sarcophallus posted:1) Shoto might be lying about being abused
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Dec 19, 2017 23:09
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Sarcophallus posted:Two points he made that are worth exploring IMO are: I mean there was that one flashback that we see of Endeavor causing five year old Shoto to throw up and then yelling at his mother to stay the gently caress out of it when she said "Jesus, he's only five". That's pretty starkly "Endeavor 100% definitely was abusive".
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Like I said, even if there's anything to the theory, I'm perfectly fine with things the way they are. Cause there's no way it's going to clear Endeavor completely. And as far as I'm concerned, I'm not a fan of someone who only abuses a little as opposed to a lot. They're both seriously lovely. Endeavor does not need any tiny bit of redemption.
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Why are you all twisting so hard to make Endeavor a good guy. He isn't even that interesting a character. All he has is the contrast between being a good hero and an insanely lovely person.
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They think he's... hot. 
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