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Homeless people breaking into your car and pissing on the seats is just penance for the middle class supporting ponzi scheme trickle down economics for decades. God is just and has a sense of humor. Namaste
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Except homeless people aren't breaking into middle class neighborhoods to do that, homeless folks can't get there because there's no transit system to the suburbs. And if they ever did show up they'd be pretty instantly picked up and arrested by the cops in those areas who don't have anything better to do.
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Thalantos posted:Except homeless people aren't breaking into middle class neighborhoods to do that, homeless folks can't get there because there's no transit system to the suburbs. And if they ever did show up they'd be pretty instantly picked up and arrested by the cops in those areas who don't have anything better to do. For context, they got the robot for a neighborhood where the median home value is over $1M.
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Trabisnikof posted:For context, they got the robot for a neighborhood where the median home value is over $1M. And an average income of 10,000 to 27,000 a year.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:And an average income of 10,000 to 27,000 a year. Maybe years ago. The mission now has a median income above $90k. Median rent is over $3k a month, so few poor people who can afford to still live there.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Homeless people breaking into your car and pissing on the seats is just penance for the middle class supporting ponzi scheme trickle down economics for decades. God is just and has a sense of humor. Namaste and maybe, just maybe, if the government gave those homeless money every month, they will spend it on rent.
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Trabisnikof posted:Hiring a human guard would be better for the community and more humane than having a private robot patrolling streets and harassing people and/or enforcing the law. Assuming the SPCA could afford a human guard, that is (let alone afford to pay one what would qualify as a living wage with local housing prices). Plus the security robot in question is little more than a camera on wheels - it has no more potential to be inhumane than a human guard (less if you consider that it has no capacity to commit any sort of violence). As for the community, we're talking about patrolling mostly during a time when most of the community is asleep - I doubt human vs. robot would make much difference there. Any way you slice it, there's just no excuse to go pinning the blame on people who only want to deter bona fide crime while the government fails to solve anything on account of some quasi-religious aversion to spending money to help people.
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Cockmaster posted:Any way you slice it, there's just no excuse to go pinning the blame on people who only want to deter bona fide crime while the government fails to solve anything on account of some quasi-religious aversion to spending money to help people.
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Tasmantor posted:Citizen you have been found guilty of homelessness, 25 years in the cubes! Are these cubes catered?
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Tasmantor posted:Citizen you have been found guilty of homelessness, 25 years in the shame cubes!
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Judge Dredd is looking optimistic, given they instituted welfare to look after the millions of people who can't get jobs because of robots. And at least one of the cops cares about the rule of law and prosecuting corruption.
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What I was saying is that the moment you allow robots to be police or soldiers, the 1% will not need the 99 % to be around. They can order the robots to kill 1 million people, and delete all related files as if nothing happened. Is our job to figure out how to fix Capitalism before we get there.
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what if they don't kill the 99%, they just let it be increasingly financially impossible to raise children, while also providing free 'family planning' medicine problem takes care of itself in like 60 years
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StabbinHobo posted:what if they don't kill the 99%, they just let it be increasingly financially impossible to raise children, while also providing free 'family planning' medicine Are you the guy out front of planned parenthood clinics trying to tell all the black women that go in about your pet theories about how abortion is genocide?
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StabbinHobo posted:what if they don't kill the 99%, they just let it be increasingly financially impossible to raise children, while also providing free 'family planning' medicine this will be too logical for humans. and some of them want people with a worse life to feel superior, to feel they are winning (because other people is losing)
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Are you the guy out front of planned parenthood clinics trying to tell all the black women that go in about your pet theories about how abortion is genocide? gently caress off with this disingenuous bullshit.
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Solkanar512 posted:gently caress off with this disingenuous bullshit. "maybe birthcontrol is a rich person genocide plan" is like literally a thing people think now, not some spooky future thing.
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no i'm all for it, any way we knock a few billion off the headcount asap without war/famine/genocide is great to me edit: this got off topic watch this video and tell me you don't get a liiiitle bit gay for robots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Mf5Rfwlvs StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Dec 18, 2017 |
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Inescapable Duck posted:Judge Dredd is looking optimistic, given they instituted welfare to look after the millions of people who can't get jobs because of robots. And at least one of the cops cares about the rule of law and prosecuting corruption. Matt Damon’s Elysium could also be a good look at the future, since it has a lot of super poor people just kind of milling around between working lovely soulless jobs and being policed by an unsympathetic justice system staffed by robots.
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I wonder how corrosive to society it is that current american pop culture fiction has been stuck on dystopias for several decades. Like other times and places mixed it up, look back at 1960s sci-fi or Japanese sci-fi or whatever and you see them mixing it up between "the future is going to all go wrong and suck" and "here is a pretty okay future and we made up some stuff that might be cool if someone invented" but the US has sorta just put it's food on the dystopia peddle and rarely let off. Like it's so obvious whenever anyone mentions anything that everyone is so able to barf out 50 hit movies from the past 5 years about how awful everything is but the opposite is always some weird lol anime or doctor who from england or a book from 1947. Like culture gives people so many words to talk about how doomed everything is and so few words to even think of any problem being solved or different problems existing in the future or whatever. Like "the original star trek" is pretty much everyone's only touchstone for talking about anything hopeful, but everyone can rattle off brainlessly 50 movies about how bad every aspect of everything that exists is going to be soon. Owlofcreamcheese fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I wonder how corrosive to society it is that current american pop culture fiction has been stuck on dystopias for several decades. We build Ziggurat Vertigo, that gigantic building in the center of Metropolis. Then made a robot the AI to control the whole city. But slaves always revolt, and this one did too, and the city got destroyed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YeStLris-Q Science-optimism is dead, so humanity is looking for other type of optimism. Religion-optimism or Comunism-optimism or Capitalism-optimism is not much better. These that are not in the search for a new optimism are taking selfies in the narcissus lake.
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Ted Chiang has an article that is kind of relevant here. https://www.buzzfeed.com/tedchiang/the-real-danger-to-civilization-isnt-ai-its-runaway?utm_term=.gfG9z2L4x#.ng9bo8mz4 The problem is the #1 rule of corporatism is increasing shareholder value, and the pool of who can afford to be a shareholder is so limited and selfselecting. It's a really common mixup for humans, we take the means by which we measure and make it the only goal. The teaching for the test problem. I know this is very fuzzy.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I wonder how corrosive to society it is that current american pop culture fiction has been stuck on dystopias for several decades. I don't think the problem is pessimism, the problem is the failure to conceive of a future different from the present. A pessimistic book can at least get people to act differently. To use Star Trek as an example, they didn't make on that was set after Voyager, they just constantly revisit past eras over and over again. Usually a fictional property suffers when the fanboys get into the writers room and create their own fanfic but what we have is just the cynical comodification of nostalgia.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I wonder how corrosive to society it is that current american pop culture fiction has been stuck on dystopias for several decades. Dystopian fiction has been around a long rear end time. Metropolis has strong dytopian themes. Hell, even during the 60s and 70s dystopias and post-apocalyptic was a thing. I think there is a Chicken and the Egg aspect too. People have a feeling of decline. That feeling is reflected in Art.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like "the original star trek" is pretty much everyone's only touchstone for talking about anything hopeful, but everyone can rattle off brainlessly 50 movies about how bad every aspect of everything that exists is going to be soon. Are you really surprised that science fiction writers favor settings that create natural conflicts? You don't set your book/movie/tv show in the future or near future if your setting is going to be "well, I guess everything is basically fine but better and more advanced." Your point here is also kind of weird and offbase, because 90s Trek was a lot more optimistic than the original series while also being more popular and culturally relevant. Its writers also struggled constantly against Gene Roddenberry's need for the future to be perfect and good because that cut off most of the interesting stories. Dark and gritty sci-fi didn't become commonplace until after 9/11, and likewise economics-focused dystopian stuff started getting more common after 2008. Popular sci-fi is pretty reactionary and likely reflects how people are feeling rather than the other way around.
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Paradoxish posted:Are you really surprised that science fiction writers favor settings that create natural conflicts? You don't set your book/movie/tv show in the future or near future if your setting is going to be "well, I guess everything is basically fine but better and more advanced." The Culture books by Iain Banks run into this problem of perfect futures. The people of the Culture itself are essentially eloi given eternal paradise by a cabal of godlike Civ 6 AIs with the directive to max smiley faces in each city. That makes it impossible to set a novel entirely within the Culture itself, so everything is about either someone from the outside coming into the Culture, or the Contact/Special Circumstances groups of the Culture dealing with a crisis. They also encounter Earth in one short story, consider uplifting us, and decide instead to just plant some drones and see whether we blow ourselves up instead.
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Xae posted:Dystopian fiction has been around a long rear end time. Of course. I am absolutely not claiming no one ever used to write dystopias or that other countries never write dystopias or anything. But you absolutely can look back to 1950s fiction and see people bothered to write both. Futures where stuff was better and futures where stuff was worse. Or cool futures that still had problems instead of just being always sadsack words in every aspect. But in current american pop culture it's crapsack world after crapsack world and the only language anyone has to talk about any new thing is to say "oh like X movie", "oh like Y movie" where those movies are always about the awful failed world of X and Y. People used to be better about exploring the whole range of stories in pop culture and you'd get stories where robots were cool buddies to go on an adventure with on the shelf next to the story where killer robots kill us all and people could reference one or the other or both when talking about things.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Of course. I am absolutely not claiming no one ever used to write dystopias or that other countries never write dystopias or anything. But you absolutely can look back to 1950s fiction and see people bothered to write both. Futures where stuff was better and futures where stuff was worse. Or cool futures that still had problems instead of just being always sadsack words in every aspect. There’s just a real lack of good sci-fi these days, I think part of the reason is probably because pop culture in our capitalist society is by its nature self reinforcing. Everyone wanted to make the dark night after it came out, every action and/or super hero movie was “gritty” and “dark” after that, why? Investors want to make money, and one strategy is to try to recreate what’s worked in the past.
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ElCondemn posted:There’s just a real lack of good sci-fi these days, I think part of the reason is probably because pop culture in our capitalist society is by its nature self reinforcing. Everyone wanted to make the dark night after it came out, every action and/or super hero movie was “gritty” and “dark” after that, why? Investors want to make money, and one strategy is to try to recreate what’s worked in the past. Nah. In the 50s they where excited with Atom energy and Space Travel. You can see some of that in the Fallout games, a society that look at nuclear energy with hope and optimism. Is common sense If we can get to the moon in 50 years, in another 50 years we will be exploring the moons of Saturn. So Space Exploration is hot too, in a 50's mindset. Then we discovered nuclear power is a skull with crossed bones, and the potential to wipe all humans in the planet 5 times. So that optimism dies. The only cool thing we have managed to produce is the Internet, and is a amazing thing. But we are not has excited has we should with the Internet. We should be loving amazed to have a computer in our pants connected to the wikipedia so we can answer almost everything we can think of. But we are not, we are pessimistic and we see both the advantages of technologies and the problems of technology. With the internet we have access to all the information we may want, but information is not education, information is not formation, information can deform and uniform has much can form and inform. Technology don't sell has much has it use to do. Thats the only reason we don't see more science fiction.
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Tei posted:The only cool thing we have managed to produce is the Internet, I would think what is "cool" is the most influenced by the culture of the media around it. Like this topic started when people were talking about a thing then people had to come in and let all the movies they knew that were about it roll out of their mouth so they could all dutifully recite "it's like elysium", "It's like judge dredd" ect. Like it's not even an opinion, media existing and being popular is enough to be like required comparison for whatever the thing is. Like after the human genome project if some studio had spent a ton on some blind kid who got his eyes genetically altered to whatever whatever some super power. Then forever after that any time anyone mentioned eyes or genes or genetic engineering everyone would say "yeah! like johnny gene eyes!" and every conversation would frame through that forever and ever in the public. Movies work as ads for things. If every movie about space made it seem like studying ants sorting tiny screws in space then people would be way more sour on space than if it's a cool place you and your friends can go to have adventures. Like sadsack movie after sadsack movie seems like it's only allowed people to talk easily about dystopian futures. (at the same legitimate worries make dystopian future more popular as a genre). Till every situation you can imagine starts with everyone shuffling in to list the 5 hit movies that told them that thing was bad.
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Is a feedback loop. Movies are made about what is cool and define what is cool. A better example would be smoking in movies.
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Tei posted:Nah. Eh, there is actually a shitton of sci-fi movies and television shows coming out each year, more than ever before, at any point of history. High quality stuff just as much as trash (comic book adaptations, etc.). Some of it is optimistic, some of it is pessimistic 
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Sorry for self-driving car related chat but FYI Anheuser-Busch announced they had placed an order for 40 of these, and PepsiCo announced they had ordered 100, and then today UPS topped that again with an order of 125 Tesla Semi trucks.
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Rastor posted:Sorry for self-driving car related chat but FYI Anheuser-Busch announced they had placed an order for 40 of these, and PepsiCo announced they had ordered 100, and then today UPS topped that again with an order of 125 Tesla Semi trucks. Reminder that AnheuserBusch has alrrady successfully delivered beer with an autonomous truck. One of the big waves of unemployment is about to get cracking.
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The first sign of the AI singularity will be when a truck realizes it's currently fulfilling its designed purpose of hauling Bud Lite Lime-a-rita and accelerates into oncoming traffic.
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If I know anything about AI singularities the actual outcome will be an exponentially increasing amount of global industrial output being directed into converting all of Earth's oceans into Bud Lite Lime-a-rita
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Tei posted:Is a feedback loop. Movies are made about what is cool and define what is cool. A better example would be smoking in movies. Yeah, I agree with that some. Movies reflect what people want but also shape what they want. It's depressing how obviously movies shape the dialog around some things. Where just saying a title becomes a shorthand for the whole concept and people only know the titles to movies that show one specific thing. Like god, even something like the movie aliens which definitely 100% made people more racist against aliens also made people want two legged fork lifts way out of line with the amount that would even be useful or good. New movies just seem opposed to even having anything just presented any aspect of any future as anything but as glum as possible nonstop. Till it smooths out people's brain till they just say "It's like judge dread!" "it's like looper!" as a knee jerk reaction to any idea even if a stupid remote control segway with some cameras on it is actually nothing at all like judge dread.
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It’ll definitely happen at the business level that some merchandising AI is gonna poo poo the bed and start ordering and stocking just the weirdest stuff until some human nominally supervising it notices.
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Wtf poo poo are you dribbling OOCC, that guy said homelessness was a crime, that's some hyper authoritarian poo poo, just like judge dredd. gently caress me you can't take a joke without running it through your hosed up fo filter of why everyone else is wrong and dumb.
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