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Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
I'm still gonna buy a Switch I don't care what that calculator says.

And I'm gonna throw a party for 1 Vote Simonds.

Edit: My dog tax savings are through the roof.

Push El Burrito fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Dec 19, 2017

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Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

Push El Burrito posted:

I'm still gonna buy a Switch I don't care what that calculator says.

And I'm gonna throw a party for 1 Vote Simonds.

I sold magic cards to buy one

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
How likely is it that that special election will give Dems outright control over the legislature? Is the district distinctly red or blue?

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Push El Burrito posted:

I'm still gonna buy a Switch I don't care what that calculator says.

This is why millennials can't buy houses.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.
I saw a Switch in the wild for the first time today

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

How likely is it that that special election will give Dems outright control over the legislature? Is the district distinctly red or blue?

I think it's a Fredericksburg district which means it's full of yokel chuds but also college students and folks who think they're part of NOVA

so pretty purple

moostaffa
Apr 2, 2008

People always ask me about Toad, It's fantastic. Let me tell you about Toad. I do very well with Toad. I love Toad. No one loves Toad more than me, BELIEVE ME. Toad loves me. I have the best Toad.

Main Paineframe posted:

My post was a joke :ssh:

I was poking fun at the idiots who got suckered by a "non-partisan" calculator sponsored by Fox News and started fantasizing about how much money they'd save from corporate taxes being slashed into oblivion.

The whole point is that cutting taxes is bad even if you're saving money as a result. Even if this tax bill was only cutting taxes on people who make under $200k, while leaving rich people's taxes and business taxes untouched, it would still be incredibly bad. Taxes need to be going up, not down - even entering your income into that thing at all amounts to getting suckered by the GOP propaganda machine. Besides, the calculator intentionally leaves off a number of things - it omits a number of changes that help the rich or hurt the poor, such as deduction changes and AMT changes.

What the hell are you talking about? Literally everyone said they hate it, even if the calculator said they would save money. How is that "getting suckered"?

Besides, compare the calculator with these and you'll find very similar numbers:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/upshot/tax-calculator.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/tax-bill-calculator/
https://www.calcxml.com/calculators/trump-tax-reform-calculator

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
One vote.

If 2000 Bush/Gore wasn't proof enough, every vote counts.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

How likely is it that that special election will give Dems outright control over the legislature? Is the district distinctly red or blue?

If the exact same people vote, and vote the exact same way as their party-line vote, Dems would win. It was narrow enough that it's basically a coinflip because who the gently caress knows who will turn out for special election II: control of the entire virginia legislature

but if there's a special election the vote for speaker happens BEFORE the special election could happen, giving Dems a temporary 50-49 majority even if Republicans eventually win, and then Democrats would already have control and a Republican motion to change that would fail, 50-50.

Pron on VHS
Nov 14, 2005

Blood Clots
Sweat Dries
Bones Heal
Suck it Up and Keep Wrestling

evilweasel posted:

no, there's no tiebreaker at all

but if a special election gets ordered, democrats will vote themselves the majority 50-49 while the election is going on

if not, last time they agreed one party would be the majority one year, the other party would be the majority the other

I thought that the LT Gov breaks ties in VA HoD if there’s a tie

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

mango sentinel posted:

This is why millennials can't buy houses.

I was told it was because of my avacado toast habit.

I ate some really good avacado toast the first morning in my house I just purchased. It was the best breakfast.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

SHOAH NUFF posted:

I thought that the LT Gov breaks ties in VA HoD if there’s a tie

I believe that only happens in their state senate and there is no tiebreaker in their HoD, which is why last time it happened they had a power sharing arrangement.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
so who controls the VA state senate? How much does control of the House matter?

eviltastic
Feb 8, 2004

Fan of Britches

Kubrick posted:

Does anyone have a good write up on the current tax bill?

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/feature/analysis-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act
and linked content will tell you a lot about the impact.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/12/15/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-tax-reform-heres-whats-in-the-final-version/
seems like a decent writeup of provisions most people care about.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2017/12/17/how-to-enjoy-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/
and subsequent piece for a look at some of the weird stuff.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I was told it was because of my avacado toast habit.

I ate some really good avacado toast the first morning in my house I just purchased. It was the best breakfast.

The only time I've had avocado toast is in australia and I 100% could probably redo my budget to have a house instead of living in a super bad apartment and flying to australia to eat toast but I literally can not imagine wanting to make that trade. Which makes me the most millennial.

AhhYes
Dec 1, 2004

* Click *
College Slice
https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/943225566362292227

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Meh they'll fudge some numbers and push it through.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

GOD DAMNIT JUST KILL MY HOPE OR DON'T

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

empty whippet box posted:

GOD DAMNIT JUST KILL MY HOPE OR DON'T

They're passing something at some point. They have literally 10 months.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

The only time I've had avocado toast is in australia and I 100% could probably redo my budget to have a house instead of living in a super bad apartment and flying to australia to eat toast but I literally can not imagine wanting to make that trade. Which makes me the most millennial.

cool humble brag about your trip down under

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

so who controls the VA state senate? How much does control of the House matter?

Republicans, 21-19. It matters because maybe there's one or two Republican senators who would like a lucrative job that just so happens to require them to resign, and because I think people think the VA Senate might expand medicaid.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
https://twitter.com/pnehlen/status/942908297287471105

Well okay then.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

empty whippet box posted:

GOD DAMNIT JUST KILL MY HOPE OR DON'T

All it means is a slight embarrassment. The provisions wouldn't be being described as small if they mattered or were hard to fix.

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor



If this is seriously the best response she can muster she might as well lean into showmanship and just throw a smoke bomb at her feet before sprinting for the door.

moostaffa
Apr 2, 2008

People always ask me about Toad, It's fantastic. Let me tell you about Toad. I do very well with Toad. I love Toad. No one loves Toad more than me, BELIEVE ME. Toad loves me. I have the best Toad.

https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/943226292727615488

RasperFat
Jul 11, 2006

Uncertainty is inherently unsustainable. Eventually, everything either is or isn't.

Beyond the Byrd rule issue, did they manage to fully fix its reconciliation issues? It would be pretty loving hilarious if they realize they hosed up with the last minute changes again and need 60 votes in Senate.

Au Revoir Shosanna
Feb 17, 2011

i support this government and/or service
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/943223975697633280

highme
May 25, 2001


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Main Paineframe posted:

My post was a joke :ssh:

I was poking fun at the idiots who got suckered by a "non-partisan" calculator sponsored by Fox News and started fantasizing about how much money they'd save from corporate taxes being slashed into oblivion.

Are you serious? I was under the impression that not only that calculator was extremely accurate, but that the tax code was now so simple that just plugging numbers into that form files your taxes for you as well.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

evilweasel posted:

All it means is a slight embarrassment. The provisions wouldn't be being described as small if they mattered or were hard to fix.

To be fair, the level of competence on display so far does indicate that they could absolutely fix those small problems into a giant, unintended, clusterfuck.

It's Byrd compliant now, but we accidentally fixed the ATM at 100 million dollars.

AhhYes
Dec 1, 2004

* Click *
College Slice

evilweasel posted:

All it means is a slight embarrassment. The provisions wouldn't be being described as small if they mattered or were hard to fix.

But it does give Mainers more time to hound Collins.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"


Twitter rules going swimmingly I see.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Haha Rand Paul you disingenuous gently caress.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
1https://twitter.com/politiCOHEN_/status/943224915355947008
2https://twitter.com/lizbuddie/status/943224413423579143
3https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/943223975697633280
4https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943205873865895936
5https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/942914794058792960
6https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/942910830810722305
7https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/943224428837486592
8https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/943224943420067842
9https://twitter.com/AP/status/943224711458193408
10https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/943224819205722114
11https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/943224515022159872
12https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/943224471254700032
13https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/943221522159865860
14https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/943119000023814145
15https://twitter.com/dellcam/status/943221645547921410
:siren: 16https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/943221421135708160 :siren:
17https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/943227949335105538
18https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/943217275410309122
19https://twitter.com/SallyQYates/status/943071922933452801
20https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/943224746237407232
21https://twitter.com/seanlahman/status/942842672674430982
22https://twitter.com/meghara/status/943223509207212033
23https://twitter.com/funder/status/943127801112219651
24https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/943202736224505868
25https://twitter.com/Mobute/status/942864181287702528
26https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/942857216968871943
https://i.imgur.com/MMvFIaR.gifv

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

TBH this alone should be grounds for impeachment

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

moostaffa posted:

What the hell are you talking about? Literally everyone said they hate it, even if the calculator said they would save money. How is that "getting suckered"?

Besides, compare the calculator with these and you'll find very similar numbers:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/upshot/tax-calculator.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/tax-bill-calculator/
https://www.calcxml.com/calculators/trump-tax-reform-calculator
None of these calculators seem to handle the child tax credit right, with it's new weird mix of refundable and non-refundable credit. The fox one claims that I'll get the full $2k for each child, but that's obviously wrong because I don't make anywhere near enough to pay $10k in federal income tax. My best guess is that my tax rate goes up a little (from the loss of the standard deduction), the child credit goes up a little bit higher, so I think I'll get a larger tax refund next year. Maybe.

I live paycheck to paycheck, and could definitely use the money, but I'd rather see people even worse off than me get health care.

RasperFat
Jul 11, 2006

Uncertainty is inherently unsustainable. Eventually, everything either is or isn't.

RuanGacho posted:

Twitter rules going swimmingly I see.

I hope the stupid assholes running Twitter are haunted by the crushing knowledge that they have been one of the biggest catalysts for spreading fascism and conservative bigotry.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.




Aren't 529s for colleges? How the hell can that be applied to homeschooling?

Petr
Oct 3, 2000

What does it matter? There's gonna be nothing left for the youth to rescue.

Petr
Oct 3, 2000

RasperFat posted:

I hope the stupid assholes running Twitter are haunted by the crushing knowledge that they have been one of the biggest catalysts for spreading fascism and conservative bigotry.

The stupid assholes running twitter are white supremacists. Why would they be haunted?

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Sir Lemming posted:

TBH this alone should be grounds for impeachment

He's such a loving child. It's embarrassing anyone would vote for him.

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