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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Fathis Munk posted:

loving Happy Tree Friends is the one that gets me. A lot of series on that list are just presented as "the hero suffers the consequences from his mistakes and learns from them". That.s all it takes to make a show conservative.

Don't forget anti-environmentalism! Happy Tree Friends show animals getting killed, so it's not liberal, and therefore it's conservative.

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corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
ncis is donald bellisario and it's 100% conservative

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing


So, I wondered if there was a conservative or liberal video game list, but apparently video games are universally evil, so instead I went trawling through Category: Videogames. Here are some excerpts

http://www.conservapedia.com/GamerGate is a treasure trove.

quote:

GamerGate is a consumer revolt by players of video games. The movement originated in August 2014 and at first focused on investigating the ethics of video game journalists, including accusations that developers used personal relationships with journalists to gain favorable reviews and industry awards. The journalists responded by accusing the gamers of misogyny and harassment. This tactic successfully distracted attention from the issue of journalistic corruption. In particular, many gamers were outraged by a group of articles published on August 28 that proclaimed that "gamers are dead." These articles urged the industry to use politically correct themes and recruit more female and transgendered gamers. An episode of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit that aired in February depicted a fictionalized version of the affair based on the views of the journalist involved. In the episode, gamers are driven to misogyny and violence by the games they play.

League of Legends

quote:

League of legends is a MOBA (multiplayer online battle arena) game. It is currently the most played game in the world.[1] Many conservatives have an obvious skepticism on the intentions of the creators, RIOT games, accusing them of spreading atheist ideals by mocking Satan and other religious figures.

Spore

quote:

There is an argument to be made that Spore supports evolution. Indeed, the objective of the game is to evolve your creature in such a way that it dominates the world. However, the precise methods used to evolve in Spore contradict the atheist theory of evolution in many ways, and the evolution process in fact resembles Intelligent Design, as it is entirely possible to reach sapience with a creature that would die out according to the theory of natural selection.

For some reason they have a full page dedicated to the pinball games that came packaged with windows 98. http://www.conservapedia.com/Full_Tilt!_Pinball

Also, a list of FPS games, consisting entirely of the following


FPS Games posted:

(Due to the growth of this genre, this list will always be incomplete)

Soldier Front
Combat Arms
War Rock
Quake Live
Cross Fire
Microsoft's Halo series

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Fathis Munk posted:

loving Happy Tree Friends is the one that gets me. A lot of series on that list are just presented as "the hero suffers the consequences from his mistakes and learns from them". That.s all it takes to make a show conservative.

Schlafly's (well the entire Religious Right's) brand of conservatism is just uncut authoritarianism. Pitilessly enjoying the horrific suffering of other beings with the excuse that due to some intellectual or moral lapse the victims brought it upon themselves is pretty much what they're all about, yeah.

The only way Happy Tree Friends could be more right-wing conservative in their eyes is if the character turned to the camera and said "I deserved my horrible fate, unlike you good white Christians out there for you have no shortcomings and any problems in your own life are the fault of black people, feminists, and Jews"

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Nov 7, 2017

Lawdog69
Nov 2, 2010

Suspicious posted:

Man, I don't want to be trapped in a mind where everything must be liberal or conservative.

Yeah like what the gently caress, these people are insanely broken. I can't even imagine how you end up reprogramming yourself to the point where you can't eat soy because it's liberal and you can't watch a TV show with a gay character. Also, what's their beef with environmentalism? Do they not live on planet earth? Having lived in some countries with poor environmental quality (China, Mexico) I can honestly say that the EPA is really cool.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
LIBERALS says pollution is bad; therefore I drink a teaspoon of diesel every morning.

tote up a bags
Jun 8, 2006

die stoats die

The Full Tilt page reads like someone on Conservapedia has lost 10000s of hours to it and is infurated it's not in Windows 7 or Windows 10.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Simpsons one is killing me "Sure the make some remarks against republican values, but they make fun of liberals" Hey dumb dumb, they make fun of everything.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Lawdog69 posted:

Yeah like what the gently caress, these people are insanely broken. I can't even imagine how you end up reprogramming yourself to the point where you can't eat soy because it's liberal and you can't watch a TV show with a gay character. Also, what's their beef with environmentalism? Do they not live on planet earth? Having lived in some countries with poor environmental quality (China, Mexico) I can honestly say that the EPA is really cool.

God is in control, so nothing we do can hurt the environment, so it's all pussy liberal farts to make us give up things we enjoy for no reason....ignore all that stewards of the earth bullshit

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Tiberius Thyben posted:

League of Legends

quote:

League of legends is a MOBA (multiplayer online battle arena) game. It is currently the most played game in the world.[1] Many conservatives have an obvious skepticism on the intentions of the creators, RIOT games, accusing them of spreading atheist ideals by mocking Satan and other religious figures.

Martin loving Luther posted:

Try as hard as you can to despise these thoughts sent by Satan. In this sort of temptation and battle, contempt is the easiest road to victory; laugh your enemy to scorn and ask to whom you are talking. By all means flee solitude, for he lies in wait most for those alone. This devil is conquered by despising and mocking him, not by resisting and arguing.

Schlafly probably hates Luther for damaging church property, but even his Conservapedia article is pretty balanced by their standards (and so probably mostly copied from another source) and considers him to have deep insight.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
Luther started protestantism though, liberating Christians from the yoke of the fake satanic catholic pope.

Though I assume I don't actually know if Schlafly is protestant.

Georgia Peach
Jan 7, 2005

SECESSION IS FUTILE

Fathis Munk posted:

Though I assume I don't actually know if Schlafly is protestant.

He's pretty much super Catholic

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Georgia Peach posted:

He's pretty much super Catholic

I'd have thought the Catholic Church was too progressive for him. After all the Vatican is officially OK with evolution, and the current Pope has even uttered such liberal blasphemies as "gays are people too" and "climate change is real".

Disappointingly, their article on Pope Francis is written in a kind of matter-of-fact way. It insists on the facts that matter to them of course, but there's not enough screeching to make it funny. I guess opposition to gay marriage and abortion is enough of a mitigating factor to make a communist environmentalist palatable.

Georgia Peach
Jan 7, 2005

SECESSION IS FUTILE

Cat Mattress posted:

I'd have thought the Catholic Church was too progressive for him. After all the Vatican is officially OK with evolution, and the current Pope has even uttered such liberal blasphemies as "gays are people too" and "climate change is real".

Disappointingly, their article on Pope Francis is written in a kind of matter-of-fact way. It insists on the facts that matter to them of course, but there's not enough screeching to make it funny. I guess opposition to gay marriage and abortion is enough of a mitigating factor to make a communist environmentalist palatable.

Well, the Pope isn't really a TRUE Catholic so Andy's probably just keeping the faith until the church comes to its senses.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?

Georgia Peach posted:

He's pretty much super Catholic

Oh huh, I've gotten so used to hyper protestant nuttiness with Jack Chick that I now just assume American Christians are protestant I guess.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates

Fathis Munk posted:

Oh huh, I've gotten so used to hyper protestant nuttiness with Jack Chick that I now just assume American Christians are protestant I guess.

Even most American Protestants are pretty moderate politically (given, what passes for moderate in America is pretty horrifically evil), the right-wing extremists are an extremely loud and powerful minority.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
Oh I didn't want to suggest that all American protestants are as extreme as Chick. He's just the person I spontaneously associate with "crazy US Christian"

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

Fathis Munk posted:

Oh I didn't want to suggest that all American protestants are as extreme as Chick. He's just the person I spontaneously associate with "crazy US Christian"

http://www.conservapedia.com/Jack_Chick is surprisingly neutral

although the only sources are chick.com

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

Mornacale posted:

Even most American Protestants are pretty moderate politically (given, what passes for moderate in America is pretty horrifically evil), the right-wing extremists are an extremely loud and powerful minority.

Protestants veer R pretty hard. The only reason why there is noise to the data is because minority Protestants (mostly African Americans) swing so far D that it makes their hateful ideology statistically moderate.

Jayme
Jul 16, 2008

Shbobdb posted:

Protestants veer R pretty hard. The only reason why there is noise to the data is because minority Protestants (mostly African Americans) swing so far D that it makes their hateful ideology statistically moderate.

I'd have to say it depends on the specific denomination - according to this poll, a lot of denominations tend to have an overall equal ratio of republicans to democrats. I grew up Presbyterian, and even though my immediate family's all republicans, they've never been anything but accepting of me being a godless heathen who's a socialist in all but name. I've also found that, in my opinion, evangelical branches are likely going to be a fair bit more conservative than the mainline/non-evangelical congregations.

Mary Annette
Jun 24, 2005

Georgia Peach posted:

Well, the Pope isn't really a TRUE Catholic so Andy's probably just keeping the faith until the church comes to its senses.

Andy had a crisis of faith once, but luckily God was open-minded enough to admit that Andy was right all along.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Shbobdb posted:

Protestants veer R pretty hard. The only reason why there is noise to the data is because minority Protestants (mostly African Americans) swing so far D that it makes their hateful ideology statistically moderate.

That's a wide net to cast as there's a lot of hippie dippie (white) protestant churches under the protestant umbrella as well.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

RagnarokAngel posted:

That's a wide net to cast as there's a lot of hippie dippie (white) protestant churches under the protestant umbrella as well.

They lose memberships like crazy. "Adapt and die" is a major concern because liberal churches fail to thrive.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Shbobdb posted:

They lose memberships like crazy. "Adapt and die" is a major concern because liberal churches fail to thrive.

That's a big ol' citation needed and not that churches all over are losing membership.

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



RagnarokAngel posted:

That's a big ol' citation needed and not that churches all over are losing membership.

I know my local liberal church is doing well. We gain a lot of annoyed Catholics.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
Anecdote isn't the plural of data.

I can find more but that literally popped up as the first result on a google search. I can spend more than 0.2 seconds to back up my claim.

Other than anecdotes, what do you have?

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Shbobdb posted:

Anecdote isn't the plural of data.

I can find more but that literally popped up as the first result on a google search. I can spend more than 0.2 seconds to back up my claim.

Other than anecdotes, what do you have?

I'm a Jew so I'm not actually trying to claim any anecdotes here but that says it was Ontario churches. While Canada has a lot of cultural similarities to the US it seems odd to apply its religious sensibilities to the US.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

RagnarokAngel posted:

I'm a Jew so I'm not actually trying to claim any anecdotes here but that says it was Ontario churches. While Canada has a lot of cultural similarities to the US it seems odd to apply its religious sensibilities to the US.

https://www.christianheadlines.com/columnists/al-mohler/a-new-exodus-americans-are-exiting-liberal-churches-1333899.html

2nd google search

http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/home-page-news-and-views/why-is-the-episcopal-church-near-collapse.aspx

http://www.millennialevangelical.com/adapt-and-die-liberal-churches-accept-everyone-still-decline/

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
With Alabama narrowly managing to not elect a pedophile, I figured it might be time to have another look at Conservapedia. Unsurprisingly, they are very pro Moore.



As usual most of their links are to their lovely offshoot conservativenewsandviews.com. Let's have a look at source [3]

http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2017/12/12/constitution/always-believe-the-women-really/ posted:

ALWAYS BELIEVE THE WOMEN – REALLY?
DECEMBER 12, 2017 JOAN SWIRSKY NO COMMENTS

Always believe the women? Gloria Allred always shows up to accuse someone of sexual harassment or some other offense against women as a body.

It’s become de rigeur for public figures and media personalities to repeat the tired mantra: Always believe the women. This refers, of course, to any accusation of sexual harassment, no matter how far in the past it took place and even if it was interpreted at the time as innocent flirting.

Sexual harassment: a weapon gone wild

Leftists seized on the harassment lawsuits that took place at the Fox News Network last year, when Andrea Tantaros, Gretchen Carlson, and other broadcasters walked away with multimillion-dollar settlements after accusing the late chairman, Roger Ailes, and the host with through-the-roof ratings, Bill O’Reilly, of sexual harassment.

Seeing that their Russian-collusion fairy tale was going in the wrong direction—indeed pointing every day to massive collusion between Democrats and Russia—the by-now hysterical anti-Trumpers figured that the sexual-harassment gig was a sure-fire way to bring down their nemesis and rake in some big bucks at the same time.

In true Keystone Kop form, however, it was overwhelmingly Democrats who started falling like flies—movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, actor Kevin Spacey, editor Leon Wieseltier, Today Show host Matt Lauer, comedian Louis C.K., Congressman John Conyers, Senator Al Franken, on and on.

But Republicans did not go unscathed. Judge Roy Moore, candidate for a senate seat in Alabama, whose accusers waited 40 years to come out of their victim closets, managed to spend those 40 years in public life, including running for office, without a single accusation being hurled in his direction.

What’s wrong with this picture?

For one thing—and it’s a big thing—all the people who say always believe the women are operating on the presumption of guilt! What happened to the constitutional right to the presumption of innocence, to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Uh uh…not for the leftists who have spent the past fifty or more years crying “separation of church and state” to defend their loathing of Christianity, and “a woman’s right to choose” to defend their fetish for pre-birth infanticide. To them, ironically, the sanctity of the law stops, both figuratively and literally, when lawyer Gloria Allred enters the scene.

Can you always believe the women?

Two recent incidents reminded me why casting doubt on all these newly-minted victims is more right than wrong.

In the first instance, I was watching the TV show “Blue Bloods” in which Detective Danny Reagan was part of a jury deciding the fate of an accused murderer. From his seasoned tenure as an NYPD detective, Reagan doubted the charge, in spite of testimony that convinced most of the jury of the defendant’s guilt.

“But there was an eyewitness,” one juror reminded him, to which the detective turned his back and asked the juror what color his tie was. The best she could do was guess “red,” which turned out to be wrong. And the point was made: even if you’re directly facing a person, spending hour after hour with him, looking at his expression, his posture, his outfit, the report you give of his appearance is not always reliable. And that is under good circumstances and not in the chaos and adrenaline and frenetic nature of a crime scene.

The second thing I witnessed was the TV show “Judge Judy,” where not one but two people, in two separate cases, looked directly at a sitting judge and—wait for it—lied to her face! As it happens, Judge Judy worked for years in the New York City criminal courts and can spot a three-dollar bill a mile away.

She could teach a thing or two about vetting credibility to the sanctimonious arbiters of morality among us—including Ms. Allred, RINOs like Mitch McConnell, and just about every broadcaster on the fake-news shows of CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS.

The character of the complainants

Do any of them know about the characters, the moral fiber, the mental-health history, or the political activism of the moist-eyed damsels in distress who are now claiming victimhood? My bet is a categorical no, they don’t!

And yet they consider testimony from women who have never uttered a peep of objection before this recent outbreak of outrage and reports from four decades ago credible. Now that is incredible!1

The wheat/chaff problem

Is every woman now claiming to be the victim of harassment lying? Probably not. You will always have schlubs like Harvey Weinstein, jealous of the cool guys and angry from years of rejection, who get some power and promptly abuse it by using women like so many throwaway rags.

You will always have predators like Bill Clinton who you can picture cackling to himself at just how much exploitation and abuse he could get away with.

And you will always have hypocrites like Matt Lauer, creepy crawlers like Kevin Spacey, phonies like Charlie Rose, and unfunny gropers like Al Franken whose treatment of females—in spite of their delusions about supporting women—speak volumes about their lack of both character and impulse control.

I mention these men particularly because they either admitted to the charges against them or were fired or stepped down as a result of their bosses seeing such persuasive and overwhelming proof of their excesses that there seemed to be no doubt of their guilt.

Hard to believe, isn’t it, that these men have mothers, grandmothers, sisters, wives, daughters? Clearly, that’s why some woman (probably) coined the word “ugh”!

A motive for false accusation

But in most cases, the presumption of guilt is dead wrong. As I wrote in a previous article, “Sexual Harassment—Puhleeze”:

If you didn’t have the character or courage or moral discernment to call a wrong a wrong when it was taking place, don’t expect sympathy years later when it appears that all you’re doing is jumping on a lynch-mentality bandwagon. [And] if you didn’t come out volubly and convincingly against the immoral predations of Bill Clinton and in support of the many women who claimed harassment and even rape during the ‘90s, don’t expect sympathy years later when your grievances all point to rabidly partisan politics.

That’s exactly what we’re witnessing today…a political witch hunt, the ultimate goal of which is to bring down the presidency of Donald J. Trump.

At this point, the nefarious Deep State is reeling at their abject failure to destroy their archenemy—the man who is systematically dismantling their labyrinthine network of secrecy and possibly sedition.

The fake-news media (and farcical talk shows like “The View”) have also utterly failed even to dent the chief executive’s buoyant enthusiasm and mountain of accomplishments.

And this latest and most transparent attempt to ensnare the POTUS in their latest gotcha game will fail as well.

But before this egregious epidemic goes further and the Democrats among us continue to spit on the Constitution they loathe, some grown-up should step forward and speak up for due process. If not, a lot of innocent men are going to pay a steep price and a lot of innocent women may be the next targets to be falsely accused.

Yes, the two situations this person bases the whole article on, are TV shows. This feels like a new low, even for these loving hacks. Then again they live in a fantasy world anyways, so why the hell not.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

quote:

For one thing—and it’s a big thing—all the people who say always believe the women are operating on the presumption of guilt! What happened to the constitutional right to the presumption of innocence, to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?
Good point, but it also applies to the accusers. Until the case is settled either way by the court you cannot presume that they are guilty of libel, slander, or defamation.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Yes you'll always have some genuine sexual predators, such as people I disagree with politically.

But you'll have many more false accusations, such as all the ones against people I agree with politically.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates
People can't reliably remember what color tie someone is wearing, therefore can women really tell when a man is making sexual advances on them?

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
No no, people in a TV show can't reliably remember.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Well I agree that Trump is not a clown like Al Franken, he's a completely different, much more terrible clown.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

their article on [http://www.conservapedia.com/Roy_Moore Roy Moore] is... interesting, as is the talk page.

quote:

best known for refusing to cave into the secular agenda of federal judicial supremacy in regards to the display of the Ten Commandments on public ground and the issuing of "marriage licenses" to homosexual couples

love those scare quotes

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing


In The news posted:

90 Indians facing modern slavery in Britain.[1]

Shrinking British law enforcement agencies have difficulty stemming slavery pandemic in Britain.[2]

If only Britain had more large Christian families and more industrious people, then they could afford better policing and better combat their growing slavery problem. See: Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism and Protestantism and abolition and Abolitionist movement and religious conservatives

In The news posted:

UK's newest and biggest aircraft carrier springs a leak.[3]

In the 19th century, British naval supremacy helped enforce what became known as the Pax Britannica. After embracing Darwinism, Britain began a steady decline and now the Brits have difficulty making their flagship ship stop leaking.

In The news posted:

Conservapedia proven right, again: Dems calling on Al Franken to resign was just a stunt to set up their calls now for Donald Trump to resign. [20] But the flaw is this: Trump is not a clown like Al Franken.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Conservapedia would hate the poo poo out of the original abolitionist Wesleyan Methodists or the social reform policies of the 19th century Churches of Christ Assemblies in the UK if they knew the slightest bit about them.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Darwinism causing lovely boats is pure loving gold

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
loving clown Al Franken, resigning after sexual assault events were brought to light.

Oh these clowns and their resignations. That's what clowns are known for, right ?

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Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates
If only Britain had more & more powerful white people, surely they'd be less likely to enslave minorities.

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