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GreyjoyBastard posted:yeah, a charitable reading is that they think they might be able to squeeze DACA through without a shutdown threat The current bill merely postpones the shutdown to January, so they're not giving up that leverage permanently. It's more about which one to push for now, and which one to push for in January. CHIP needs to be reauthorized ASAP though, it can't wait much longer.
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Discendo Vox posted:What exactly is a doomed DACA protest vote supposed to accomplish? Theoretically it wouldn't be doomed because Trump says he wants a DACA fix.
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theflyingorc posted:I do not understand their thinking on this That's their thinking on it, theflyingorc, and what is depressing - but not surprising - is that you will never figure that out. And you won't be depressed in a month, either, because you'll have displaced that depression with impotent and misdirected rage at anyone who would dare malign your benevolent conservative Democrat overlords, or call into question your slavish devotion to them. So cheer up. I guess.
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evilweasel posted:The current bill merely postpones the shutdown to January, so they're not giving up that leverage permanently. Oh, I thought we were on the one after that. Whoops! That's fine then, do one now one later (if you can't do both now), and CHIP is in fact more urgent than the March deadline for DACA.
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bird cooch posted:You don't know what a blue dog is. Or to think that there is any chance of murry being primaried at all is laughable. Given how quickly politics in the D base is shifting leftward, there's a very good chance quite a bit of the old Third Way style Dems get primaried in the next few cycles.
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Ballz posted:No it was 51-49 GOP before today. Now it’s tied. There's a better than even chance the fucky district gets a special election ordered by the judge, since there's no other way to fix that registrar's fuckup. That leaves the HoD at 50D-49R when they sit the Wednesday after the hearing to decide whether there'll be a special election, which leaves plenty of time to exercise precisely a one vote majority of leverage.
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Trabisnikof posted:Theoretically it wouldn't be doomed because Trump says he wants a DACA fix. Trump can't even remember how many Big Macs he had for breakfast, I wouldn't exactly rely on anything he says as some sort of bargaining chip.
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Quorum posted:There's a better than even chance the fucky district gets a special election ordered by the judge, since there's no other way to fix that registrar's fuckup. That leaves the HoD at 50D-49R when they sit the Wednesday after the hearing to decide whether there'll be a special election, which leaves plenty of time to exercise precisely a one vote majority of leverage. also, they already generously offered power sharing to republicans before the recount and got shot down, so then i guess republicans lost their chance to play nice!
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is this like, the rare instance where virtue signalling is a real thing
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evilweasel posted:Yeah I get that. But you also have to defend five seats that should be dead men walking based on the lean of the state: West Virginia, Missouri, Indiana, North Dakota, and Montana, as well as four seats in swingy states - Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, and Wisconsin. Speaking as somebody who lives in Florida there is zero chance Bill Nelson loses his seat.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:yeah, a charitable reading is that they think they might be able to squeeze DACA through without a shutdown threat Cynical as it is, I agree. Shutting down the government for Brown people is the right thing to do, but doing it for the It’s disgusting, and I think it’s wrong and misguided, but I can’t say I don’t see an argument for it.
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spaced ninja posted:My boss is currently helping to run https://www.zodiacpac.com we designed the logo here and had to print out a few thousand of them as stickers for an event. I have never wanted to punch paper so much in my life. Real quick the last quote in "Ouch" is "I hope that burn Sally Yates served Ted Cruz is covered under Obamacare."" by Beto but it doesn't mention what that burn was. A quote or a link would be appreciated and useful for a website.
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Hey good news thread, looks like momentum might be swinging to the Dems Let the primaries begin! Unleash the third parties!
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Discendo Vox posted:How are the Dems able to force a shutdown over either issue? They aren't, unless the Freedom Caucus elects to be terminally evil morons. So they totally could if they wanted.
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Discendo Vox posted:How are the Dems able to force a shutdown over either issue? It is assumed enough Republicans won't vote for the budget because it isn't evil enough.
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Discendo Vox posted:How are the Dems able to force a shutdown over either issue?
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evilweasel posted:The current bill merely postpones the shutdown to January, so they're not giving up that leverage permanently. It's more about which one to push for now, and which one to push for in January. CHIP needs to be reauthorized ASAP though, it can't wait much longer. So you're saying that the Dems might actually have a logical strategy here?
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Fulchrum posted:From the article everyone is saying shows Dems are truly the worst of the worst and monsters. Phone posting and couldn't read the full article, that's good news.
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Discendo Vox posted:How are the Dems able to force a shutdown over either issue? As I understand it, the budget bill will require 60 in the Senate because they wasted reconciliation on the tax bill.
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evilweasel posted:Yeah I get that. But you also have to defend five seats that should be dead men walking based on the lean of the state: West Virginia, Missouri, Indiana, North Dakota, and Montana, as well as four seats in swingy states - Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, and Wisconsin. If Democrats blow any of those, then you need more wins. People keep ignoring those nine races and treating them as already won, which is not a gimme even in a wave. Indiana and Missouri are only Democratic because of Moore-level terrible candidates in 2012 who couldn't keep their mouth shut about how rape isn't real. Yeah I live in Missouri and I'm worried about McCaskill's seat. She won in the 2006 wave and held on in 2012 because of how awful Todd Akin was. Now that Trump is president I wonder if a scandal like Akin's would be enough to sink him this time. I don't think her losing is a given or anything, especially so far out that we don't even know who is running against her, but it is worrying.
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Lycus posted:As I understand it, the budget bill will require 60 in the Senate because they wasted reconciliation on the tax bill. Dems should play super hardball and force the R's to use that reconciliation on the budget. Burn it dowwwwn.
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Doctor Teeth posted:Yeah I live in Missouri and I'm worried about McCaskill's seat. She won in the 2006 wave and held on in 2012 because of how awful Todd Akin was. Now that Trump is president I wonder if a scandal like Akin's would be enough to sink him this time. If it's a legitimate Roy Moore, the general has ways to shut that whole thing down.
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Lycus posted:As I understand it, the budget bill will require 60 in the Senate because they wasted reconciliation on the tax bill. I believe the sequester bill mandates that it requires 60 no matter what, if you want to exceed the caps (nobody is interested in complying with the caps).
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Discendo Vox posted:How are the Dems able to force a shutdown over either issue? as people mentioned the budget / continuing resolution is not, in fact, the reconciliation bill, and there's no goddamn way the GOP will let it be the reconciliation bill
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https://twitter.com/KilloughCNN/status/943242158466850819 Ghoulish. And garish. Ghaulish?
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/KilloughCNN/status/943242158466850819 If there's one thing Bruce Banner loved, it was capitalism destroying nature. Luckily, Amadeus Cho is the Hulk now, and is awesome.
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In case anyone had any doubts: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/hulk-meets-his-match-in-drilling-fight/ quote:WASHINGTON — Sen. Ted Stevens was wearing his Incredible Hulk tie when he took the Senate gavel Wednesday to oversee debate about his proposal to allow oil drilling in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). He often sports the comic-book character tie when slugging it out over issues close to his heart. Plane crashes occasionally have positive results.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:The tax bill passed/is passing and net neutrality was repealed by a 44-year-old wannabe memelord. Seems like a bad week to me. those were a slow boil though. no crisis or controversy out of left field.
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Nothing is going to close before Christmas, they will push the vote off to January 19th just as expected.
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https://twitter.com/greenhousenyt/status/943097582326288384 Is Bloomberg farting out of his mouth or is there something to this.
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gently caress YOU MARK MEADOWS BLAAAARRRRGGHHHHH!!!!!!
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Oh and apparently this https://twitter.com/jenhab/status/943253378901082112 is happening again.
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/greenhousenyt/status/943097582326288384 Its probably accurate, but isn't the CBO using "dynamic scoring" which basically equates to "tax cuts create unicorns that fart jobs"
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Office Pig posted:Oh and apparently this
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Office Pig posted:Oh and apparently this Ah...reminding voters which party is trying to take away their health care, just in time for the midterms. Perfect. Hope they choke on it in '18.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Not really sure why they would want to push that in A) an election year, and B) after losing a vote from their already razor-thin Senate majority, which last time couldn't support the same poo poo McCain dying changes things.
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The Dems are cowards, and they should do exactly what the GOP did in 2013- shut the government down. A year later they destroyed the Dems in the midterms, and that was shutting the government down over Obamacare not being repealed or whatever. Demand that they fix CHIP and DACA now.
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Bottom Liner posted:McCain dying changes things.
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