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Tender Bender posted:I mean it's not pedantic to disagree with your idea by pointing out the premise is fundamentally flawed. You disagree that the Salt battle recalls and borrows imagery and ideas from Hoth?
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AndyElusive posted:The space battle over the moon of Endor, the throne room confrontation between Luke, Vader and The Emperor, the ground battle between the Empire and the Rebels all take place in the third act. I can see you disliking 1/3 of those but all 3? What the poo poo man. Those are all great but the Ewoks really do ruin it for me idk man it’s just so cynical
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Dec 20, 2017 02:13
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Luke creates a Leslie Knope-esque scavenger hunt/breadcrumb trail to his location at the end of which he tells the person who finds him, with news about the death of his best friend and imminent demise of his sister, to go away. Top flight writing here folks.
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Dec 20, 2017 02:14
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Were the Ewoks originally supposed to be Wookies?
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I still don't understand why you build up Snoke to be some powerful force user on par with palpatine just to die like that. Snoke makes alot more sense if it was Thrawn instead.
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Dec 20, 2017 02:19
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Deadulus posted:Were the Ewoks originally supposed to be Wookies? I heard that this was the case, and they made them little people to save money on costuming.
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Dec 20, 2017 02:20
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Deadulus posted:Were the Ewoks originally supposed to be Wookies?
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Dec 20, 2017 02:20
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Palpatine died the same way. Or similarly. It fits into the whole evil is blinded by arrogance theme.
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euphronius posted:Palestine died the same way. Or similarly. It fits into the whole evil is blinded by arrogance theme. Woah I think you were in the wrong theater, buddy
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Autocorrect. Fixed it thanks.
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euphronius posted:I can't remember if the cruiser was accelerating when Leia was in space. If it was she should have been 1000 miles behind it that's true. SW ships don't have hard sci-fi inertia so, yes, it would've been quite some distance away. Wouldn't normally be a problem. But the film has spent a long time establishing that everyone is moving.
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Dec 20, 2017 02:28
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Deadulus posted:Looking at the future of Star Wars. We got Solo and IX coming up and some unknown movie set to be released in 2020. Disney if you're listening pick it up, we need marvel/star wars/alien/avatar/buffy/xfiles/firefly movies monthly.
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BardoTheConsumer posted:That might just be my dad's influence because he went and saw the original theatrical release and literally hated it. But then he is more of a star trek guy. Just gonna throw this out there Star Trek owns your dad is right Speaking as someone who enjoyed TFA and TLJ I thought Star Trek 09 and Star Trek Beyond were better movies. Beyond is legit great if you haven’t seen it. Into Darkness was kinda eh though
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ST Beyond is good as gently caress
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trash person posted:Just gonna throw this out there Yeah I know. I liked the star trek movies. And also TNG.
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Dec 20, 2017 02:42
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Milky Moor posted:SW ships don't have hard sci-fi inertia so, yes, it would've been quite some distance away. Alternate take: shields work both ways.
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Dec 20, 2017 02:42
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Waffles Inc. posted:You disagree that the Salt battle recalls and borrows imagery and ideas from Hoth? I disagree that the similarity critiques the folly of the battle of Hoth, because I do not think that was a folly.
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Koirhor posted:I still don't understand why you build up Snoke to be some powerful force user on par with palpatine just to die like that. Snoke makes alot more sense if it was Thrawn instead. He manipulated, trained, and abused Kylo Ren, and was then rejected and shanked by Kylo Ren. That arc doesn't work if he isn't a powerful force user.
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Tender Bender posted:I disagree that the similarity critiques the folly of the battle of Hoth, because I do not think that was a folly. Fair enough I suppose. Why do you think the imagery rhymes in that case? What does that similarity mean to you?
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Koirhor posted:I still don't understand why you build up Snoke to be some powerful force user on par with palpatine just to die like that. Snoke makes alot more sense if it was Thrawn instead. Chickenwalker posted:Luke creates a Leslie Knope-esque scavenger hunt/breadcrumb trail to his location at the end of which he tells the person who finds him, with news about the death of his best friend and imminent demise of his sister, to go away. Top flight writing here folks. At the start of TFA, people know where Luke went (the Jedi Temple) but not where it is, since its location was only known on a few ancient galactic maps, none of which are intact. The guy Poe Dameron starts out TFA trying to find is a jedi historian and explorer of ancient ruins; he has a nearly intact map to the Jedi Temple, not because Luke gave it to him, but because he's a scholar. The map turns out to not be entirely intact, though, but R2D2 has some of the missing astrogation data, which fills in the missing places. Luke didn't leave R2 behind so that he could provide that information, however -- Luke never even knew that a partial map existed -- it just worked out that way because of lucky coincidence/The Force. Fans manufactured a theory that Luke left the bread crumb trail, but none of that is actually in the movies.
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AndyElusive posted:Why doesn't anyone say she Wonder Woman's back to the ship? I bet half the people using this meme to discribe the scene haven't even watched Mary loving Poppins (y'all). Wonder Woman doesn't fly with the Mary Poppins flying pose.
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Deadulus posted:They mainly point out all the flaws everyone is familiar with. I think their take away was its not a mess but messy. I have to disagree with them on some points, too. Like, they don't care about any of the characters or what happens to them next. I mean, okay, I guess? Personally, I do want to see what happens to Rey and Finn and Kylo Ren next, I find Kylo and Rey particularly to be good characters and I figure Finn is around for Some Reason and I want to see what it might be, because there are interesting places his character arc could lead. Also, considering the detail they went into with the prequel reviews, I found it strange that they didn't pay much attention to the quality of the filmmaking (either to criticize it or laud it). Those reviews went into great detail about why the prequels were flawed films, this one (like most criticism I've seen of it) mainly asks why the story is what it is. Admittedly it's difficult to go into that kind of detail without access to a recorded copy to analyze deeply, but I felt like it was a pretty shallow review even compared to some of the posts I've seen here (positive and negative).
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Waffles Inc. posted:Fair enough I suppose. Why do you think the imagery rhymes in that case? What does that similarity mean to you? I don't know, honestly, I haven't put a lot of time into thinking about it. I just don't agree with your interpretation.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Fans manufactured a theory that Luke left the bread crumb trail, but none of that is actually in the movies. That's crazy because nothing you posted is in the movie either. The simplest reading based on the fact that the map perfectly matches what was missing from R2 is that it was intentionally removed. That it was left with a trusted confidant known to the protagonists says that it was given to them intentionally for the purpose of them providing it if it's ever needed. Don't make excuses for the pieces of poo poo the last two movies have been plot and story-wise.
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Tender Bender posted:I don't know, honestly, I haven't put a lot of time into thinking about it. I just don't agree with your interpretation. Aight
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Chickenwalker posted:That's crazy because nothing you posted is in the movie either. The simplest reading based on the fact that the map perfectly matches what was missing from R2 is that it was intentionally removed. That it was left with a trusted confidant known to the protagonists says that it was given to them intentionally for the purpose of them providing it if it's ever needed. Don't make excuses for the pieces of poo poo the last two movies have been plot and story-wise. wait if kylo and the knights trained at the loving luke temple planet how come they dont know how to find him in the beginning of tfa?
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PT6A posted:I have to disagree with them on some points, too. Like, they don't care about any of the characters or what happens to them next. I mean, okay, I guess? Personally, I do want to see what happens to Rey and Finn and Kylo Ren next, I find Kylo and Rey particularly to be good characters and I figure Finn is around for Some Reason and I want to see what it might be, because there are interesting places his character arc could lead. They were at least very complimentary to the Kylo Ren storyline and Adam Driver. But this was just their initial review from seeing it. I don’t think their in-depth review of TFA came out until a year after release. But the TFA review is more focused on the fandom and state of the Star Wars franchise than the actual movie.
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Maybe I'm crazy, but isn't one of the things Rey sees from touching Luke's lightsaber in TFA, a flashback of him putting some kind of data into R2? Luke left a way to be found. We don't know why, necessarily, but I think it's stupid to assume he completely wanted to cut himself off from the world. He clearly wanted to make himself incredibly difficult to find, but possible in the right circumstance, which was brought about by R2 being revived for Some Reason (being in the presence of a Force-sensitive person?)
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Leviathan posted:wait if kylo and the knights trained at the loving luke temple planet how come they dont know how to find him in the beginning of tfa? They didn't train at the loving luke temple planet. Deadulus posted:They were at least very complimentary to the Kylo Ren storyline and Adam Driver. Agreed. Ironically, it seemed like they just wanted to get something in line with their established brand out the door ASAP. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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PT6A posted:Maybe I'm crazy, but isn't one of the things Rey sees from touching Luke's lightsaber in TFA, a flashback of him putting some kind of data into R2? Nah, he didn't give R2 anything. Luke just puts his hand on him as he watches the temple burn, we see the same shot in TLJ except not from the front.
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It makes more sense just to see R2 as a force-sensitive agent of the light pulling the strings. Rather than Luke wanting to be found but not wanting to be found.
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Lord Krangdar posted:It makes more sense just to see R2 as a force-sensitive agent of the light pulling the strings. Rather than Luke wanting to be found but not wanting to be found. It’s definitely This The force protects R2 in TPM like it does Chirrut in R1
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Lord Krangdar posted:It makes more sense just to see R2 as a force-sensitive agent of the light pulling the strings. Rather than Luke wanting to be found but not wanting to be found. Also: the world's greatest astromech navigation droid might contain relevant astrogation data? Who could have seen that coming!
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Waffles Inc. posted:It’s definitely This I like this reading, actually.
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Alright, something that bugs me now the more I think about it: In Return of the Jedi, Luke doesn't show up lightsaber in hand to save the day. He abdicates his role in the final battle. The second Death Star is destroyed not by some powerful Jedi, but by Lando and Wedge, working alongside hundreds of other nobodys. The Emperor, who's so convinced his mastery of the Dark Side entitles him to mastery over the galaxy, dismisses them all as beneath his notice, while Luke has faith in his friends to carry on without him. In The Last Jedi, though, this is all inverted. We've got our turncoat and our pilot who never says die, and they prove worse than useless. Their attempts at heroism doom the Resistance. The only characters who matter are the Force users; Rey might not be chosen by ancestry, but she's still the chosen hero, empowered with abilities that elevate her well above her mundane allies. It's basically undoing the democratisation of power we saw in Return of the Jedi – ordinary people aren't inspired by the ordinary heroism of the Resistance, only by the Force-powered legend of Skywalker. Everyone else should accept their place as spear-carriers, because the real action is still in the throne room.
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Has anyone mentioned about the stableboy? I know that it's clear he's Force-sensitive because of the broom jumping into his hand. What I mean is, how did he know about "Legendary Luke Skywalker's Last Stand" enough to reenact it with dolls for the other kids? Unless that scene comes a good amount of time after everyone gets away on the Falcon, I get the feeling that the stableboy was literally watching (sensing, whatever) Luke through the Force. Astral projecting yourself across solar systems would make some pretty big ripples in the Force, so he and any other Force-sensitives might have taken notice. This of course ties in for the whole purpose of the Luke's diversion plan, not to just stall for the Resistance to escape but to make a big show of it.
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Mezzanine posted:Has anyone mentioned about the stableboy? I assumed it was later, after the story had spread, but I like your idea a lot better.
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I can't wait for the next movie having Ren and Rey leading armies of force-sensitive child soldiers.
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ATP_Power posted:I can't wait for the next movie having Ren and Rey leading armies of force-sensitive child soldiers. Please, they're called younglings.
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ATP_Power posted:I can't wait for the next movie having Ren and Rey leading armies of force-sensitive child soldiers. Thought about that today. Would be an interesting direction.
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