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BarbarianElephant posted:Oddly enough, that's how pretty much 100% of Communist countries have turned out. Which is why I'm kinda skeptical of all the folks on this forum saying we should try it again, but this time with more dead capitalists. I'm glad I don't have to live in a nation where children starve and are denied healthcare, while a small group of people obtain absurd amounts of wealth!
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Nevvy Z posted:We've got existing systems that will let us vote to tax the wealthy to provide minimum quality of life and also keep money moving around, we just need to organize so we can get it done. Sure. It's a lot easier to build housing for all the homeless funded by higher taxes than enact a bloody revolution.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Sure. It's a lot easier to build housing for all the homeless funded by higher taxes than enact a bloody revolution. Hasn't felt that way lately.
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Jaxyon posted:I'm glad I don't have to live in a nation where children starve and are denied healthcare, while a small group of people obtain absurd amounts of wealth! Praise Jesus!
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BarbarianElephant posted:Some seem to be preaching socialism and some mostly seem excited by the prospect of putting people they hate in gulags/in front of a firing squad. Turns out Blairite policies make people mad at you.
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AsInHowe posted:Which of these is easier to explain to children, thereby making it a family friendly, down home explanation that conservative moms can tell their kids? The second one, because you can very easily misclassify an investment in human capital, which a down-home conservative mom very seldom makes, as simply purchasing a service from another person, which a down-home conservative mom does all the time.
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evilweasel posted:i don't know if this is a good or bad thing, but I do know they're not intentionally deciding to let it lapse they just can't agree on anything A helpful litany of pieces about 702 for those who are curious-from a tech saavy pro privacy perspective: https://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=section+702 I imagine any of the regulars at Lawfare would be making the most compelling/least fellating arguments for its existence/renewal. As written, it's brutally abused and shortcuts civil liberties. On the other hand, Michael Flynn is the most recent poster child for its intended(ish) usage. Meaningful reform (legislatively and in practice) or an extended debate leading to scrapping it is probably ideal. I lean very slightly towards Burr's straight renewal being superior to whatever is going on here--because I have the utmost confidence that whatever fills that void in practice and in future legislation will be worse and more difficult to untangled/end.
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Vice Chairman Warner to be played out by Linkin Park.
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Toaster Beef posted:Erm. Is this something to be concerned about? He doesn't have the authority to fire Mueller, does he?
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Damnit Mueller do something that will piss off Trump already.
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What the heck could this be. I'd be worried if this was a Republican senator making the speech but it's not so I don't know what he could be telling us?
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evilweasel posted:oh also, the republicans are about to let the authorization for a major FISA spying authority lapse (section 702) My uninformed cynicism says that this is a reaction to the Trump Russia investigation.
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I propose "suck my dick ben" to be the only leftist Twitter reply to Ben Shapiro going forward.
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Prediction: he's going to read classified materials into the congressional record.
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Toaster Beef posted:Erm. Is this something to be concerned about? We have a couple hours to figure that out. Warner is up there with Schumer for untrustworthy snakes but I’m wondering if this is to pre-empt something down the line.
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The fact Warner is doing this right after the tax vote is a little ominous.
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Could he be responding to the rumors of Trump firing Mueller by guaranteeing they'd rehire him?
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Warner's a Democrat who has been pretty no-bullshit about the investigation so I don't think this is going to be some "we the Centrist Shills support the firing of Bob Mueller" kind of deal.
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Office Pig posted:The fact Warner is doing this right after the tax vote is a little ominous. I'm not sure how, considering he's a D, apparently? If anything I'd expect him to use whatever he's got as an opportunity to punch back or seize the narrative somehow. Not like dems have any incentive to hamper Mueller.
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Danger posted:Could he be responding to the rumors of Trump firing Mueller by guaranteeing they'd rehire him? Yeah, he could also be announcing that they're buying Mueller a rocket ship and sending him to Mars to complete work on a spaceboat.
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"Ladies and gentleman of the senate, it is my duty to inform you and the American public of the following: The Piss Tape is real. Thank you and good evening"
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Office Pig posted:The fact Warner is doing this right after the tax vote is a little ominous. i am kinda hoping he is just dropping a bomb on how hosed trump or some other dickheads are.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Prediction: he's going to read classified materials into the congressional record. Might as well add to the wish list! Maybe he uses said classified materials to justify calling on Congress to reinstate the Office of the Independent Counsel?
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Calaveron posted:Is there any sort of silver lining to what happened today In the future youll pay for healthcare with stacks of silver coins
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Calaveron posted:Is there any sort of silver lining to what happened today We have about 1.5 trillion bucks to fund something with simple majorities in the House and Senate if we ever take them back by simply repealing this monstrosity Also https://twitter.com/JStein_Wonkblog/status/943557305936773121
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Calaveron posted:Is there any sort of silver lining to what happened today We might get a good Nihilist Arby's tweet out of it?
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Calaveron posted:Is there any sort of silver lining to what happened today No. All is lost. Abandon All Hope. The Space Laser is armed and shall soon incinerate your home and all you love.
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm not sure how, considering he's a D, apparently? If anything I'd expect him to use whatever he's got as an opportunity to punch back or seize the narrative somehow. Not like dems have any incentive to hamper Mueller. Think less about the fact that Warner is giving it. The Republicans just passed one of the most vile, hated bills in modern American history. They have loudly demonstrated what actual influence the American people have on the party’s decision. If they no longer feel any need to heed the concept of a republican democracy, it’s not unthinkable Warner is preparing for something really bad.
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Calaveron posted:Is there any sort of silver lining to what happened today When Democrats repeal this in 2021, they'll have more money to institute UHC?
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As I posted in the other thread, this ballot is actually a little bit more ambiguious than previously reported. Democrats are arguing that because he put an X through Gillispee, you can't assume the slash was to void the vote for Simonds. That's a reasonable argument but I do not know what the standard to determine voter intent is. If you asked me who this person voted for, I'd say the R candidate, but not that it is "clear". I don't know how confident the judges need to be on this. I do not know if this means it's coming down to the merits of voter intent, or if the judges had them argue that point as well and are deciding both the argument about if they can hear the challenge and what the intent was at the same time. Decision is, apparently, final: https://twitter.com/JWPascale/status/943560876266803200
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WampaLord posted:All of this anger over someone suggesting that maybe we could do better in America. It fascinates me to see people who react this angrily to being told that the world could be a better place. No, it's anger at someone who knows nothing, has a condedcendingly simple solution that betrays how little they understand, then when it's pointed out why it's a dumb solution, acts like those are just excuses and shows that people haven't tried hard enough. You may recognize this is the exact same process as people who talk about bootstraps. I guess we shouldn't be angry at them either, they just want to make the world better. Oh wait, this exact same chain of thought becomes totally valid when applied to a country instead of a person, because logic is hard.
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Calaveron posted:Is there any sort of silver lining to what happened today They've finally decided on the name Generation Z for the latest generation, because it'll be the last one
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