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Dec 21, 2017 19:41
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Sinding Johansson posted:8: Chronologically; has regressed into uncritically accepting the jedi teachings (implied), contemplates murdering his nephew and abandons his friends and family when things get tough. Communicates to Rey the same thoughts on the force as were communicated to him, with the addition of an incoherent light side, and the subtraction of all his development in 5 and 6 after leaving Yoda. Is spurned by Rey into confronting Kylo but accomplishes nothing. Dies. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Dec 21, 2017 19:42
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Can you actually explain what movie you saw?
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Dec 21, 2017 19:46
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General Dog posted:It's possible that that's how the character has been written, but if so that's disappointing. With the lengths that both movies have gone to to humanize him, it just doesn't jive that he'd murder his father and do all these unthinkable things and burn down the galaxy with no higher purpose in mind. He did have a higher purpose, he wanted to be a good sith apprentice, become Vader, etc. When that didn't go as planned in TFA he started questioning everything and arrives at the point he's at in TLJ. He's not lying to Rey, he was conflicted. Killing Snoke wasn't premeditated but it was the logical conclusion of his arc: you can see the seeds of "gently caress this old generation" throughout the film. I don't think he has a concrete plan by the end of the film just because he doesn't really have time to breath from the climax to the end.
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Dec 21, 2017 19:51
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Sinding Johansson posted:5 of the 7 Star Wars films that feature Jedi are explicitly critical of them (episodes 4 and 7 being the exception). Old Luke is the same character as young Luke.
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Dec 21, 2017 19:58
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its an easy mistake to make because bigger luke is definitely a different character
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Dec 21, 2017 19:59
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Zas posted:its an easy mistake to make because bigger luke is definitely a different character Different from what? He's a clear extension from OT Luke.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:00
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Lord Hydronium posted:I'm not sure he has one at the moment. Killing Snoke is more of a spur of the moment thing, and his actions after that are entirely reactive, being driven by his "kill the past" philosophy rather than any sort of long term vision. His internal narrative seems to be "once I've destroyed all the remnants of the past, we can get started on making something new", but he doesn't seem to know what that new thing is. I don't think it was spur of the moment at all actually.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:01
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Bip Roberts posted:Different from what? He's a clear extension from OT Luke. There's a bigger Luke Skywalker. Here's like Luke Skywalker but bigger. Sure people have a dumb theory that it's a smaller Han but it's obviously a bigger Luke. This was established in ESB.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:04
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Al Borland Corp. posted:There's a bigger Luke Skywalker. Here's like Luke Skywalker but bigger. Sure people have a dumb theory that it's a smaller Han but it's obviously a bigger Luke. This was established in ESB. Finally someone is making sense Sinding Johansson fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Dec 21, 2017 20:07
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Sinding Johansson posted:Can you actually explain what movie you saw? Other people have made great posts about how neat Luke's perspective is in this that resonated with what I saw. I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:08
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Sinding Johansson posted:Finally someone is making sense I'm not sure if Luke or bigger Luke are the one in this film though cause I don't have a grasp on Daisy Ridley's size.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:10
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I'm not sure if Luke or bigger Luke are the one in this film though cause I don't have a grasp on Daisy Ridley's size. She has large ankles which is probably important to unlocking the mystery.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:12
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Bigger Luke is trapped inside R2 (we see him in Jabba's palace) so I think the Luke in this movie is regular Luke.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:13
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If anyone wants to tell me what they thought about Rey and the infinite mirror I'd like to hear. Serious request.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:14
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PT6A posted:The fact that 90% of everyone who's made significant story criticisms has presented worse alternatives makes me pretty sure they actually did a good job. What is says to me is that fundamentally what the film needed was a rewrite, rather than what anyone could hope to do by slapping bandaids on things.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:19
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What if the rewriting made it worse.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:19
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euphronius posted:If anyone wants to tell me what they thought about Rey and the infinite mirror I'd like to hear. Serious request.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:20
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unlawfulsoup posted:What is says to me is that fundamentally what the film needed was a rewrite, rather than what anyone could hope to do by slapping bandaids on things. It is paced and cut very strangely, but more and more expensive action movies seem like that to me.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:20
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euphronius posted:If anyone wants to tell me what they thought about Rey and the infinite mirror I'd like to hear. Serious request. My only thought on it was that it was reflective of "nothing matters but me, I'm the beginning and the end," mentality that would be characteristic of the dark side. Solipsism, I guess. I'm open to other takes though, I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been more talked about.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:22
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In esb Luke goes on a vision quest where he kills Vader, then sees his own face behind Vader's mask. It signifies that Luke's fear is that he isn't so different from Vader and explains his despair when he discovers Vader is his father. In tlj, Rey sees only herself signifying her fear that she isn't some part of a larger whole but is alone. It explains her preoccupation with Kylo and why his revelations about her parentage are used to hurt her. Sinding Johansson fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Dec 21, 2017 20:22
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unlawfulsoup posted:What is says to me is that fundamentally what the film needed was a rewrite, rather than what anyone could hope to do by slapping bandaids on things. We hate writing/direction by committee, but giving unilateral power to one person can be just as bad (George Lucas and the prequels as the best example). This film was fun and had some really cool ideas, but it absolutely could have used a few passes through other people's hands before it filmed.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:29
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Not sure the prequels are a good example for you there. At least explain how they have bad scripts.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:31
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I'm not sure if Luke or bigger Luke are the one in this film though cause I don't have a grasp on Daisy Ridley's size. You need to go back and see the scenes of Rey with Han, then you can compare it to Luke. I don't think the wiki has been updated yet with this.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:31
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Yoda had some great lines in his training. Like re the force: 'luminous beings we are' or re Luke's inquiry into what's in the cave where he goes to have his vision, 'only what you take with you'. All I remember in this one is Luke saying the jedi should die. Lame dialogue!
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Dec 21, 2017 20:32
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Luke isn't lame. He doesn't even walk with a stick. Yoda has he lame lines.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:33
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Danger posted:You need to go back and see the scenes of Rey with Han, then you can compare it to Luke. I don't think the wiki has been updated yet with this. But Rey is bigger in this film than she was in the previous
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Dec 21, 2017 20:36
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Bigger Rey or smaller galaxy?
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Dec 21, 2017 20:37
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maybe star wars fandom is mad they will never get a live action Mara Jade
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Dec 21, 2017 20:37
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euphronius posted:Not sure the prequels are a good example for you there. There are hours of videos you can watch that deconstructs the sloppy writing involved in the prequels. Most notably the first one.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:38
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Mike the TV posted:There are hours of videos you can watch that deconstructs the sloppy writing involved in the prequels. Most notably the first one. You mean the blue rays of the prequels ? I've seen them many times. What does sloppy mean and how does it apply ?
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Dec 21, 2017 20:39
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euphronius posted:If anyone wants to tell me what they thought about Rey and the infinite mirror I'd like to hear. Serious request. The dark side is presented as the opposite- losing your connections. It's feeling like you're the only thing. At least that was one thought I had after. I'd also be interested in hearing different takes though.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:41
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Bip Roberts posted:Old Luke is the same character as young Luke. I thought the whole drat point was that Old Luke is, you know, older, and that he's not the same idealistic young man anymore. He briefly considered murdering his nephew, for Christ's sake. Like, did people assume that thirty year old Luke smiling at the ghosts of his father and teacher is still gonna be that smiling dude when he's nearly 70 and had a lot of dark poo poo happen to him in the interim?
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Dec 21, 2017 20:44
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Luke Skywalkerdied the way he lived. A virgin.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:46
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Esb did a great job of Luke confronting his failed idealism. Tlj Luke is like what if he founded a Jedi school after episode 4 and episode 5 and 6 never happened to him.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:48
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Eiba posted:The difference between dark and light and balance have never been that coherent in Star Wars. When Luke talked about decay giving birth to new life it was interesting because it didn't seem like he was talking about decay being dark and life being light. He was talking about that whole interconnected cycle. Does not jive with the other films. In the original two trilogies the dark side is always signified by excessive attachment. For Luke it's excessive attachment to justice - his anger at Vader and the emperor for hurting his friends. For Anakin it's excessive attachment to Padme For Vader it's for maintaining order For Maul it's for his people (taking revenge) For Dooku it's for the past (he's a libertarian crossed with an aristocrat who doesn't like liberal democracy) For Palpatine it's obviously to power There is no light side and the jedi way is explicitly detachment from things (Luke rejects this)
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Dec 21, 2017 20:55
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Luuke*
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Dec 21, 2017 20:55
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Why do characters religious ideas have to jive across time?
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Dec 21, 2017 20:57
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Vintersorg posted:Luuke* That's not bigger Luke. Luuke is a clone of Luke made from his chopped off hand. It is unknown if there is a bigger Luuke, though this would explain a lot.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:58
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Well, I'm not the one claiming that this film is iconoclastic or a successful commentary on the past of the franchise. I'm saying that the discrepancy is part of the failure for the film to be those things. It's a Star Wars film for people who never watched Star Wars. The connection to other films is superficial at best.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:59
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