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iPodschun posted:XIII banner 1 is icy but NZT mentions that other ice banners are coming eventually: These are in my opinion the existing chase ice relics in descending power order ignoring dives lmrs etc: Rinoa Chain (chains.txt) Snow Chain (chains.txt with worse bonus) Serah USB (en hi-cycle) Squall BSB (en high power) Laguna USB (imperil hi-cycle) Edea BSB (en high power) Ayame BSB (en high power) There's some good stuff coming later like Ysayle USB or Rinoa USB but that's what we have now. Assuming you're looking for top quality stuff we're looking for maximum density of the above relics plus supporting LMRs in a single banner. Fest-4 might look like a lot less focused with the lit stuff in there but remember: -Noel BSB is 1% -The two SSBs are 4% -Vanille BSB is 1% (not bad, just not ice) -Snow LMR is garbage and 1% Which leaves 7% for actual ice things out of which I'd say one has the chase status. Pull on banner 4 for ice, better banners aren't coming for months.
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Well I got Diamond Weapon down basically by sheer luck (had a bunch of abilities queued up and squeaked out the killing blow literally a microsecond before I would have wiped) and took down Yojimbo and Mateus too. Now I'm stonewalled against Barbaricca of all things, my dragoon options are very limited and aside from Kain's BSB they are all wind-based, which she is resistant to. My only good healing BSB left is Yuna's BSB2, which actually isn't that good at the healing part, and my boostga options are also bad. Might have to restart and bring my A team to this one, kinda sucks but at least I'd only be losing out on 15 wisdom motes, which I have far and away the most of compared to every other mote (seriously why do I have more than two times as many wisdom motes as spirit). This crystal tower was...not fun. Every single boss has a really obnoxious gimmick and hits really hard, but the rewards are too good to just skip it. The crystals aren't a huge deal now that we can farm them, though it's still a shitload of them, but gating 5* motes behind these things is pretty cruel.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Well I got Diamond Weapon down basically by sheer luck (had a bunch of abilities queued up and squeaked out the killing blow literally a microsecond before I would have wiped) and took down Yojimbo and Mateus too. Barbaricia is the most RNG of all of them so you can just keep retrying until you get good RNG. Kain BSB was like 80% of my damage and everyone else was there to support him. If you have any good mages left you can also just do a mage team against her and bring Kain just for the jump gimmick.
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I forgot Lulu USB from the ice chase things but let's pretend it was somewhere in the low-middle section and move on. So how can you tell a fest is about to commence? That's right, a VI event is happening at the exact same time. VI-1, 28.12.2017. We just got XII-1 and here's the review for that. Current XIII-1 Current XIII-2 (Attestant) Platinum Dagger Locke USSB "Burning Steel" 10xST random Fire/Non-ele physical dmg, Imperil Fire, self Flame Hunt -Flame Hunt: When using Fire elemental abilities, additionally cast "Flame Hunt" - 1xST 1,2 Fire/Non-ele physical dmg, 35% chance to cause Imperil Fire 10% for 15 seconds This is Zidane's USB with "wind" replaced with "fire". Zidane's USB is great because it does heavy damage while imperiling and this is the same thing except you use the fire shot instead of D&S. Thief gets a fire ability much later but it's not actually very impressive. Unfortunately fire shot isn't as good as D&S and Locke gets a worse LD than Zidane (lol instant cast thief for 25 seconds) so we'll need to reduce some points here in comparison. Zidane is a freak and pretty much none of these type of effects compare favorably to him. Excellent. Apocalypse Terra USSB "Omen" 10xST Fire/Non-ele magic dmg, EnFire, self EX-Mode "Magitek Warrior" -Magitek Warrior: MAG+30% and High Quickcast for 25s Well then. Omen. How do you describe the power of Omen? It should be fairly clear right off the bat that +30 stacking mag, enfire and hi-quickcast for fire makes this a top tier fire relic. But wait, it's not for fire. That's just triple castspeed for 15 seconds no matter what you do. But what's that? This EX-mode lasts for 25 seconds instead of everyone else's 15 for no reason except developer favoritism. 25 seconds of global triple castspeed and primary stat +30% Since time is of the essence this one USB cast lasts for the entire duration of your sub 30 attempt even if you cast it turn 1. The other reason why Omen is so powerful is Terra herself. You have 6* BLK, 6* SUM and 4* SUP (wrath). 3* WHT is not nothing too. What can't you do with Omen? You hit every god drat element at triple cast speed and when combined with the LM2 Trance at nigh-instant speed. Terra has effectively three damage modes: 1) The weakness exploiter. Equip her with the corresponding BLK/SUM ability, activate trance+USB and watch your enemy disappear. 2) Burn it to the loving ground. Terror unleashed. Bring Mom Bomb and possibly another source of fire imperil and utilize your USB enfire, LM fire bonuses and possibly LMR doublecast to set the world on fire. 3) The SB spammer. Since Terra essentially has no cast bar she makes an excellent entrust target and wrather for fire/ne SB bombs and she does not need to cast her USB again and can instead use OSB for a higher multiplier. Top tier relic. Blood Sword Terra OSSB "Scorching Flames" 1xST Overflow Fire magic dmg The good news is that this pairs really well with her USB. The bad news is that it's not very impressive without it. I still prefer an unimpressive OSB over a BSB that says "you lose the ability to defend" any day. Good. Locke's Sarong Locke BSSB2 "Adventurer's Style" 8xST Fire/Non-ele ranged physical dmg, EnFire, Burst Mode +fire Attack-> "Heat Brave" Fire, NE Four single ranged attacks (0,47 each) short cast time Defend-> "Heat Edge" Fire, NE Two single ranged attacks (0,86 each), ATK -50% for 20 seconds, ATK +50% to the user for 20 seconds Enfire. Buff yourself up with CMD2 and start using fireshot. CMD1 is too weak to compete with fireshot even considering the shorter cast. Good. Terra's ArmguardTerra BSSB2 "Where Love Lies" 8xST Fire/Non-ele magic dmg, EnFire, Burst Mode +fire Attack-> "Fire Combo" Fire, NE Four single attacks (2,00 each), 2,49 multiplier if exploiting elemental weakness Defend-> "Fire Wave" Two group attacks (3,09 each), grants Magic Bargain to the user for 20 seconds Enfire. CMD2 is bargain which is good. Poor multipliers otherwise even vs weakness. Terra doesn't need an AoE fire option since she can cast Tritoch. It's a shame the long awaited Terra BSB2 is already nearly obsolete upon release. Good. Ragnarok Celes BSSB2 "Invincible Blade" 8xST Holy/Ice physical dmg, self Grand Cross and ATK/DEF +30%, Burst Mode Attack-> "Gleaming Frostblade" Holy, Ice Four single attacks (0,58 each), grants Spellblade +15% Boost 2 to the user Defend-> "Dazzling Grimblade" Holy, Ice Two group attacks (0,70 each), grants Dark Bargain to the user for 20 seconds Now this is a BSB. What an entry! Both of the commands do something you can't just do better with abilities even if CMD1 is kind of worthless with that multiplier. Grand Cross sometimes is still relevant. Celes isn't a super heavy hitter but she can do multiple things really well. Keep in mind this does no NE damage so if it doesn't take holy/ice damage we're getting nowhere with this. And spellblades aren't exactly known for their holy capabilities. Great. Faerie Tale Mog BSSB "Love Serenade" Party Haste and MAG/MND +30%, Burst Mode Attack-> "Fond Memories" 0CT Curaga + High Regen Defend-> "Moogle Justice" 1xST Holy white magic dmg, Magic Breakdown Sage shout entry on a hybrid healer/buffer/damage/debuffer thing. Mostly the entry and CMD1 are relevant. Mog is a weird character but this is a solid thing. Can be hard to utilize if dances are ineffective. Excellent. Locke's Armguard Locke Legend Materia "Passionate Treasure Hunter" Start battle with EnFire +fire You probably won't entrust Locke immediately so this gets the full effect. Unless you're planning on lifesiphoning. Excellent. Asura's Rod Terra Legend Materia "Innate Power" 25% chance to dualcast Fire damage abilities Dual cast your primary element. Excellent. Celes' Cloak Celes Legend Materia "Rune Knight Spellmaster" 25% chance to dualcast Spellblade abilities +holy Dual cast your primary damage school. Celes really needs this if she wants to compete in damage with other spellblades. Excellent. Chocobo Brush Relm SSB "Portrait of Lakshmi" Medica(h85) and party High Regen A medica is a medica though you really want a stronger one. Decent. Armlet Sabin SSB "Soul Spiral" Medica 40% MaxHP, party Esuna and DEF +100% A weak medica combined with a mostly useless esuna. At least the +def stacks with protectga. Acceptable CM thing. So this is clearly a fire themed banner. The real question is if it's a better banner than Fest-1. If we call Refia and Locke's USBs a tie we're left with two chains + papa BSB vs Omen and I don't think even Omen can handle those odds. Even if Omen'd and Tranced Terra doesn't need a chain to hammer the damage cap her fiery friends do. Unless she's friends with Vivi. Actually in a fire team of Terra, Vivi, entrust, heal, booster + stacking boost rw a fire chain would be pretty much useless. Imagine that.
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I used my Lightning mage team against Barbaricia, with Aranea along for the jumping, worked pretty well. I enjoyed the CT, but I'm also incredibly stacked on relics. I've been steamrolling most content, which makes me question why I did two pulls on the new XII banner. Oh right, because I love XII. 2/11 Balthier USB Penelo LMR 2/11 Balthier USB Balthier LMR That'll work! I now have an incredibly strong gun and Balthier can be an imperil/damage machine. I also already had Penelo's USB, so her LMR is welcome! Oryp fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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NZT posted:FFVI Banner stuff I have dupes for Terra OSB, Celes LMR, Sabin and Relm SSBs...which sucks because everything else on this banner makes me drool.
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Since Terra is popular I should also mention that if you want Omen this is the last known non-LD occurance until the next VI event a bit less than half a year from now. There's a chance for it to be in the 3rd anniversary fire banner if they change things up but for all we know it can be full of Tiny Bees. The debuting stuff hasn't usually changed so out of the 5 6* slots two are recurring items which could be swapped for Omen. So if you must have Omen your mythril goes here.
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I dropped my first 150 mythril salvo into FFXII banner 1 last night and went 11/33. Between this and prior pulls, I now have 1-3 copies of everything on this banner except Ashe's USB and Balthier's BSB2, USB, and LMR, the things I actually wanted. The temptation to quit the game entirely is really, really strong.
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the ones you have important relics for or Shelke I guess
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Man, I remember when the earlier bosses took all my resources to manage. Now I get all the quests for the event done except for the 1-stamina bosses just by having two guys escort some FF12 lowbies.
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6EQUJ5 6 7 posted:Who are some important characters to mote up? Depends on the tier of motes. 3* motes are pretty common, and there's no real need to stress about those. 4* motes should be saved for your stronger characters, like people who have BSB or above. And 5* mote Legend dives are 100% reliant on your relics. Especially look at your USB havers, or people with exceptionally strong BSB. Dives that give you either faster actions or doublecasted skills tend to be the strongest, but there are certainly exceptions. Attestant fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Attestant posted:And 5* mote Legend dives are 100% reliant on your relics. Disagree with that 100% part. Yes, you probably want to dive the folks that have really strong SBs so you can make them even better. However, if you're lacking punch in a specific element because the gacha sees fit to gently caress you over, you're a Vivi/Bartz/Squall dive away from being able to dualcast multiple elements.
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paperwind posted:Disagree with that 100% part. Yes, you probably want to dive the folks that have really strong SBs so you can make them even better. However, if you're lacking punch in a specific element because the gacha sees fit to gently caress you over, you're a Vivi/Bartz/Squall dive away from being able to dualcast multiple elements. Yeah, that's true. But I also wouldn't recommend SB-less dives as on of your first. I just prefer making already strong options even better.
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I got Omen from the black Friday pull or something, so I kind of want to try for the Terra LMR. Probably much better served just going on the fire chain banner, though.Fister Roboto posted:They're roughly on the same level as the 220 fights, so quite a bit harder than 160. But don't let that stop you from trying. They're only 20 stamina each and they don't actually consume stamina unless you win. I just squeaked by my first 220 fight in the XII event. Raines hit with his OSB for 99999, died, and then Tyro cherry tapped the monster for 462, killing it. For someone reason Raines never seems to actually kill anything of consequence with his OSB. I was emboldened so I decided to try a Crystal Tower fight. And then I saw that instead of a roaming warrior you just get Wall. Welp, guess I need some decent hastegas.
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Bruceski posted:Man, I remember when the earlier bosses took all my resources to manage. Now I get all the quests for the event done except for the 1-stamina bosses just by having two guys escort some FF12 lowbies. I just remembered the other day that in the very first event dungeons - FF7 Tifa/Sephiroth - it was legitimately a thing that we were talking about what level you needed to be to clear the final fights because nobody had a level 50 party yet Get that Rydia to level 30 and drop those Thundaras!!!
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I was sold on XIII 1 for ice so I tried my luck. Good news, I went 4/11. Bad news, it was the only two dupes I had (Vanille BSB and Noel SSB) and Sereh’s SSB and LMR. The hilarious LMR bikini is now my only +ice equipment so it wasn’t a total bust, but still kinda disappointing. Got one pull left so I’m looking forward to Shantoto LMR/11 on banner 4 
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wizard on a water slide posted:I just remembered the other day that in the very first event dungeons - FF7 Tifa/Sephiroth - it was legitimately a thing that we were talking about what level you needed to be to clear the final fights because nobody had a level 50 party yet ff7 sephiroth dungeon having a flying unit loving sucked since the only gun in the game was some 2* gun from ffxiii
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Make that everything but the 220 that I've mastered with two ringers and three mostly dead weight for the missions. Beatrix and Marche knight-piled the demon wall.
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rabidsquid posted:ff7 sephiroth dungeon having a flying unit loving sucked since the only gun in the game was some 2* gun from ffxiii
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I had to burn 4 mythril to beat the new event's 140 battle.  I really need to work on honing poo poo and putting together better teams.Sunday can't come soon enough. Papa needs EXP!
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Neutral Zone Trap posted:I still prefer an unimpressive OSB over a BSB that says "you lose the ability to defend" any day. Out of curiosity, why do you place inability to defend so high on knocking down BSBs? I think I’ve defended all of once intentionally outside of gimmick FFX fights, ever, and every other time I do it is because the character has literally nothing else to do. If anything, losing autoattack (and thus the ability to slap people out of sleep/confuse) is more damning.
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Is there a list some place that lists the best dives to invest in? I have a ton of usbs and bsbs. Sorry for the noob questions. I’ve been playing a year but only casually. I’d really like to be able to beat things that are 130+ in difficulty finally. Pathetic I know.
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6EQUJ5 6 7 posted:Is there a list some place that lists the best dives to invest in? I have a ton of usbs and bsbs. If your strong attackers or healers have doublecast on their dives it's pretty solid. Though if you're struggling to break 140 I assume you don't have much in the way of 5-star motes for dives anyway, and that's where you're really going to see a difference, the 3 and 4-stars are just a handful of stats. Can you grab people with Wall through RW (Tyro--Sentinel's Grimoire, Yshtola -- Stoneskin II, sadly that's it at the moment for such a must-have ability)? That's what let me take that big step in killing ability. And don't be too hard on yourself for what you can manage, everyone has to ramp up and you're only gonna get better stuff.
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6EQUJ5 6 7 posted:Is there a list some place that lists the best dives to invest in? I have a ton of usbs and bsbs. Here's a survey reddit did about the most common/popular Legend Dives: https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/7g4aqn/results_of_who_have_you_legend_dived_so_far_survey reddit posted:
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6EQUJ5 6 7 posted:Is there a list some place that lists the best dives to invest in? I have a ton of usbs and bsbs. Check the character's dive, honestly, for their Legend Materia. You can still do a dive for the stats and bonuses instead of for the LMs (in which case dive whoever you use most), but as far as Legend Materia goes:
EDIT: If you're talking normal record dive, trying to figure out where to spend your 4* motes, again, go with who you use the most, but generally, Skill Unlocks are better than Equipment Unlocks are better than +damage is better than raw stats, in that order of priority. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Dec 23, 2017 |
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Bruceski posted:If your strong attackers or healers have doublecast on their dives it's pretty solid. Though if you're struggling to break 140 I assume you don't have much in the way of 5-star motes for dives anyway, and that's where you're really going to see a difference, the 3 and 4-stars are just a handful of stats. Can you grab people with Wall through RW (Tyro--Sentinel's Grimoire, Yshtola -- Stoneskin II, sadly that's it at the moment for such a must-have ability)? That's what let me take that big step in killing ability. I have ~50-60 5* motes in most types. I assume that doesn't amount to much, understandably. I've got sentinel's grimoire, but not the yshtola one. I assume I'd put a record materia that would give him automatic access to the soul break at the beginning of battle for those harder fights? And thank you, I just didn't want to come up in here stuffing up the joint with noob poo poo. I've copied the the stuff you've all listed for future reference. One quick other question for now, my lvl99s are Luneth, DK Cecil, Lenna, Terra, Celes, Sabin, Sephiroth, Rinoa, Garnet, Noctis, Ramza, Agrias, and of course Tyro. In your opinions, is there a good party to be put together here? Just purely stat wise and with available abilities et cetera, gear aside (Though I have a decent amount of gear for most of them) I'm just trying to nab that lvl 3 crystal before the event ends. So I guess additionally, if I get that, who should I get to 99 next?
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Without knowing your SBs it's impossible to say, but I'm going to assume that if you have them at level 99 you at least have something for them. A good boiler plate party is going to have a healer (Lenna), a support (Ramza, Tyro), a support dps (Agrias, Celes, Garnet) and two dps (everyone else).
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6EQUJ5 6 7 posted:I have ~50-60 5* motes in most types. I assume that doesn't amount to much, understandably. I've got sentinel's grimoire, but not the yshtola one. I assume I'd put a record materia that would give him automatic access to the soul break at the beginning of battle for those harder fights? And thank you, I just didn't want to come up in here stuffing up the joint with noob poo poo. That's more than I expected, I didn't start scraping them together until I got up to the level of doing Jumpstarts and Torments and that was after I was managing to do 180s and up (and I'm hardly established in that respect, I have one full dive and one who's a few spirit motes short). It takes 100 each of two motes to fully dive someone. Yeah, a record materia to give Tyro the chance to cast wall at the start is going to be big, though if you have that I'll ask you the question I should have asked earlier rather than jumping to conclusions: where are you falling short when you try to tackle harder stuff?
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KataraniSword posted:Out of curiosity, why do you place inability to defend so high on knocking down BSBs? I think I’ve defended all of once intentionally outside of gimmick FFX fights, ever, and every other time I do it is because the character has literally nothing else to do. It's just supposed to be a joke on how BSB commands are weaker than abilities now, I don't actually value being able to defend at all. "Since CMD1 gives you less SB gauge per use than Chain Firaga and is way weaker instead of giving you abilities this SB takes one away". You're right about the auto attack loss mattering more often. Defend can be very rarely useful in CMs against a heavy scripted attack you know is coming or to survive in 200 torment ie. a no SB dude using draw fire and then defend to further lower incoming damage because your no SB healer can't otherwise keep up. For the scripted attacks the last time I can remember using it vs the previous XII 180 CM vs Doctor Cid at the beginning of the battle because he had a scripted massive nuke and I had a gargabe low level team and a bad healer. I couldn't recover from his party nuke if I didn't have everyone defend because no medica but defending let me beat that jerk.
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6EQUJ5 6 7 posted:I have ~50-60 5* motes in most types. I assume that doesn't amount to much, understandably. I've got sentinel's grimoire, but not the yshtola one. I assume I'd put a record materia that would give him automatic access to the soul break at the beginning of battle for those harder fights? And thank you, I just didn't want to come up in here stuffing up the joint with noob poo poo. You should check out the Dischord chat if you have questions. The guys there are very helpful, and there's even a "new players questions" section for asking about "noob poo poo."
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Just to piggyback on this point, as a lazy rear end in a top hat, having a H+IC3 character makes every low level and daily dungeon an absolute breeze. They already are, but finishing each stage in one instant action is awesome. quote:I've copied the the stuff you've all listed for future reference. One quick other question for now, my lvl99s are Luneth, DK Cecil, Lenna, Terra, Celes, Sabin, Sephiroth, Rinoa, Garnet, Noctis, Ramza, Agrias, and of course Tyro. In your opinions, is there a good party to be put together here? Just purely stat wise and with available abilities et cetera, gear aside (Though I have a decent amount of gear for most of them) Everything always depends on your relics. If you posted a list of what you think is the best, we'd be able to sift through it. Characters by themselves don't matter and I can only think of literally three in a roster of hundreds that function well without any relics, and only after a Legend Dive. And one of them is apparently lacklustre later in the game.
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Mostly damage taken, but also insufficient damage dealt. I think also my problem is that I always try to do record synergies instead of picking one party and building the hell out of it. I also rarely do anything for the materias other than give everyone regen. Such a huge list. Hard to manage, so I went with what I knew. Again, I've been a filthy casual all the time I've been playing, just racking up abilities and orbs and motes and whatever else. I did burn through my orbs to get some nice new abilities however. And thank you Schwartzcough, I'll try the discord.
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*slams arms on table like 2 insane noodles* ALWAYS PLUL
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MotU posted:*slams arms on table like 2 insane noodles* Jesus.  I know when I do it I'll go 1/11 SSB. But daaaaaaamn.
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I got a da vinci brush, chocobo brush, and wizer rod - guessing these are good then? And with those being pretty much my only relics, who would be better to focus on, Aeris or Relm?
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Lenna mace of zeus and Penelo's Hermes suit Welp Penelo Guess I gotta start using ya.
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