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AndyElusive posted:The popular hate that the Prequels generated helped shape the current state of Star Wars post Disney buy out. TLJ was bad but at the end of the day it’s hard to stress too much about it when you know there’s 5 billion more Star Wars movies coming most of which by directors and writers who probably are like 8 years old right now or some poo poo and I’m bound to like some of them as much as I liked the non-TLJ Star Wars movies so who cares, no amount of bad movies is going to Ruin Star Wars or retroactively make the previous ones not good But if a bunch of angry nerds can prevent Rian Johnson getting the chance to write and direct some other bullshit I’m all for it. Looper sucked butt and that dude’s round head belongs in a toilet
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Powered Descent posted:One thing that struck me as odd: Why are Finn and Rose flying speeders in the end battle? They aren't pilots. They're janitor-warriors.. For the same reason [they let Luke get in an x-wing at the end of ANH to be one of like 5 people who would attack the death star, even though the only person in the Rebellion who even knew him at that point was Leia The one I can never overlook though is how odd it is that at the end of TFA, the Resistance somehow feels that Rey is the best person to go to Ach-To and find Luke. They barely know this woman! And now the fate of the galaxy is in her hands? Why not just send Leia, or some trusted General?
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Someone posted this in the spoiler thread, but I thought it was pretty insightful so crossposting it here.Angry Salami posted:
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Jewmanji posted:For the same reason [they let Luke get in an x-wing at the end of ANH to be one of like 5 people who would attack the death star, even though the only person in the Rebellion who even knew him at that point was Leia Luke knew Biggs who vouched for his piloting skills.
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Freakazoid_ posted:(don't read the comments, ect.) Best part is when Mark Hameal says that its only a movie so don't expect to go into the theater and recapture your childhood.
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Pops Mgee posted:Luke knew Biggs who vouched for his piloting skills. I get it. It's Star Wars. I'm just saying the poster's question about TLJ has the same justification in previous movies, which is all kind of weak and unbelievable from a realism perspective, but you're not supposed to think too hard about it.
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Yaws posted:Of course not because Bens fall has no explanation. Anakins fall made sense. It was understandable OK, I'm still eight pages behind reading this thread and this is now from 3 days ago, but you are a notorious prequel hater, and to be fair I don't specifically know that you have made this point in the past, but a major gripe I've seen a lot of prequel haters have is that they feel Anakin's fall is totally nonsensical and therefore without dramatic weight. You're going on record now that the reverse is true?
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Pops Mgee posted:Luke knew Biggs who vouched for his piloting skills. Yeah, Luke was a hot shot pilot and that thing he plays with was his ship. Biggs said he was able to shoot little rats which foreshadows him aiming down the exhaust of the Death Star.
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Jewmanji posted:For the same reason [they let Luke get in an x-wing at the end of ANH to be one of like 5 people who would attack the death star, even though the only person in the Rebellion who even knew him at that point was Leia
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:OK, I'm still eight pages behind reading this thread and this is now from 3 days ago, but you are a notorious prequel hater, and to be fair I don't specifically know that you have made this point in the past, but a major gripe I've seen a lot of prequel haters have is that they feel Anakin's fall is totally nonsensical and therefore without dramatic weight. You're going on record now that the reverse is true? Adam Driver being a nazi because he’s a pathetic insecure dork makes more sense than Darth Vader switching sides in a war because he was afraid his wife would leave him.
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Vintersorg posted:Yeah, Luke was a hot shot pilot and that thing he plays with was his ship. Biggs said he was able to shoot little rats which foreshadows him aiming down the exhaust of the Death Star. Actually they were pretty big rats.
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business hammocks posted:Adam Driver being a nazi because he’s a pathetic insecure dork makes more sense than Darth Vader switching sides in a war because he was afraid his wife would leave him. Was that really your takeaway from Revenge of the Sith?
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business hammocks posted:Adam Driver being a nazi because he’s a pathetic insecure dork makes more sense than Darth Vader switching sides in a war because he was afraid his wife would leave him. mace windy was about to kill the one guy who seemed to be able to help him with his wife = dead problem opera scene is good and also has some of the best memes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx52--WmLQs
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business hammocks posted:Adam Driver being a nazi because he’s a pathetic insecure dork makes more sense than Darth Vader switching sides in a war because he was afraid his wife would leave him. Hux and Kylo being near explicitly coded as alt right dweebs is my favourite part of these movies. Snoke is Steve Bannon
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Barry Foster posted:Hux and Kylo being near explicitly coded as alt right dweebs is my favourite part of these movies. tbh i don't love this read because it gives the alt-right the importance they want but don't deserve the first order effectively has control of the entire galaxy and vast military power; the alt-right are just racist internet shut-ins who think they matter because the guy they made memes of became president (also these films haven't gone nearly enough into the first order's actual ideology for this to fit, they're just kinda generic authoritarians)
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Is this thread referring to Finn as a janitor a joke? He wasn’t actually a janitor. I can’t tell if I’m being whooshed.
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In TFA he said his job was "sanitation" and then later displays knowledge of where to find the trash compactor. You're right to be confused because our introduction to him is as a shock trooper committing My Lai on a bunch of villagers in search of Luke Skywalker. So he's either the First Order equivalent of Seal Team Six or he mops floors. The movie couldn't make up its mind.
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beejay posted:Is this thread referring to Finn as a janitor a joke? He wasn’t actually a janitor. I can’t tell if I’m being whooshed. he was a janitor, though; tfa establishes this(that opening scene was his first time in combat) and tlj also references it when he mentions that the best guy to get them towards the mcguffin they need to gently caress with to escape is the guy who mopped where it's being held the real question is why the hell did he go from a janitor to being on the frontlines
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beejay posted:Is this thread referring to Finn as a janitor a joke? He wasn’t actually a janitor. I can’t tell if I’m being whooshed. The only parts of Finn's stormtrooper duties that have been at all relevant to his character or the plot are latrine duty at Starkiller Base and mopping the room with the hyperspace tracker on Snoke's personal flagship. Do not think too hard about the fact that Finn knew about Starkiller Base and could have told Poe, or that he knew about First Order tracking tech and could have told literally anyone Zoran fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Dec 23, 2017 |
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Oh poo poo I forgot. I thought it was his cover story to not seem like a bad guy. My bad.
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also on a more meta level finn is really obviously just a janitor because they wanted a former stormtrooper who changes sides but disney was too cowardly to actually have innocent blood on a protagonist's hands so finn is in this weird state of culpable and not culpable at all
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I'm somewhat interested in the numbers around movies and I've mentioned in other subforums (not having posted here before) that I think that TLJ will not be the number-one movie at the end of 2017 like Empire Strikes Back was; I think it will be third or fourth, like Attack of the Clones. I think it's final tally at the global box office will be in the region of $900 million or so. Most of my information comes from the commentators on the Forbes site, but their two main movie writers seem to have mixed views at the moment: the one who liked it is optimistic and the one who disliked it is pessimistic and they seem to be drawing different conclusions from the same information. I don't completely understand exactly how all the numbers work; someone here might. Is my assessment of how well the movie will do realistic? (Excuse me if this is the wrong thread to ask in - I saw that there's another but assumed this was the general one.)
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It doesn't seem unlikely to me that a member of this military dictatorship could be rotated from sanitation duty to combat duty.
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If the characterization was well-considered, you wouldn't have to bend and stretch the narrative that the story delivers to you in order to make basic sense of who the heroes are and where they come from. This isn't one of those subtleties that is meant to be picked over and debated, it's just "incoherent", to borrow a term from a prequel detractor. There's deliberate ambiguity, which is what Star Wars often excels at, and there's inconsistent plotting and characterization for the sake of convenience, which is what TFA seems to lean on an awful lot. This is just a more minor version of the First Order discussion that I think even sequel trilogy fans have conceded- that the First Order makes no sense in terms of plot or politics, and was shoehorned into TFA as a mechanism by which the dynamic between plucky rebels and towering Empire could be reset. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Dec 23, 2017 |
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Serf posted:It doesn't seem unlikely to me that a member of this military dictatorship could be rotated from sanitation duty to combat duty. On a meta level he was just cleaning up the villagers on his first combat mission, as well. He didn't do anything related to Tekka or Poe.
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Brother Entropy posted:the real question is why the hell did he go from a janitor to being on the frontlines That's your big mystery? He served well on the poo poo detail and was reassigned to the front line. Wow.
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i was being glib because the whole situation keeping finn's stormtrooper hands clean felt real contrived and worsened his character arc, i don't actually think it's a big mystery
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The reveal of Finn in the very first teaser is brilliant, and everything subsequent has been Saturday morning cartoon bullshit.
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It’s not like the idea of a stormtrooper who has never successfully shot anyone even after years on the front line is particularly implausible for a Star Wars movie.
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Second viewing it just gets better. This time I didn't laugh. At all. None of the jokes hit, but I think that is due more to me paying attention to little details more this time. Amazing movie. Tied with ESB and RTOJ. Luke in this is just every single old that is in the military but didn't retire. He was absolutely believable to me, and the growth of his character in to what was shown in TLJ was fantastic to me.
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The original trilogy films are fairly shallow on the surface, but have a surprising amount of depth. The prequel trilogy looks shallow on the surface and is exactly as shallow as it looks. The Force Awakens was like the prequels in that regard, only more entertaining cause it wasn't so bogged down and pretentious. The Last Jedi seems weighty and more thematically hefty on a first impression, but the more I think about it the less depth it seems to have. Mark Hamill is great in it though, as are most of the actors, elevating a script that just doesn't sit well with me. The visuals are generally quite solid. I'm not a "hater."
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To be fair, I can't speak for return of the sith, as after attack of the clones I simply couldn't bring myself to watch it. So perhaps that third one is good? I'll never know.
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The prequels are obviously more semiotically dense than the originals, even if you didn't like them.
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CountFosco posted:The Last Jedi seems weighty and more thematically hefty on a first impression, but the more I think about it the less depth it seems to have.
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CountFosco posted:To be fair, I can't speak for return of the sith, as after attack of the clones I simply couldn't bring myself to watch it. So perhaps that third one is good? I'll never know. I understand not liking the prequels but calling them shallow is being willfully ignorant. You should read this thread
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Powered Descent posted:One thing that struck me as odd: Why are Finn and Rose flying speeders in the end battle? They aren't pilots. They're janitor-warriors.. Remember when Finn couldn't even pilot a TIE fighter in TFA and barely figured out how to shoot the thing? Now that he's spent time in the ICU he's a competent pilot.
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s.i.r.e. posted:Remember when Finn couldn't even pilot a TIE fighter in TFA and barely figured out how to shoot the thing? Now that he's spent time in the ICU he's a competent pilot. There was obviously some Matrix level knowledge downloading going on in that bacta suit
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