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I am a bit confused about one thing: I remember there was a panel a while ago where Ehrenreich said the audition process went over several months; surely if he's just a bad actor, someone would've noticed in that time? (I don't know exactly how casting like this works.)
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I was never going to see Solo to begin with. The whole premise is loving stupid. I don't want to have Han Solo's backstory explained to me. It will only cheapen the character.
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Dec 25, 2017 01:47
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TheNewt posted:Why not just fuckin shelve it then? Probably because Sith Lord Kennedy doesn't want herself fired off this lucrative money train.
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Dec 25, 2017 02:01
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Bardeh posted:So I was really expecting them to kill off or otherwise get rid of Leia because, well, y'know. Wouldn't that have been sensible rather than having to deal with Carrie Fisher's absence in the next movie? Also, I guess she must have been sick or tired, but her acting throughout the movie was really kinda wooden and bad. imo the only dignified way to deal with Leia is to open ep ix with her heart exploding from a massive overdose of space coke edit: and then it dawns on the rebels why she keeps bringing them to planets covered with white powder
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Dec 25, 2017 02:15
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Wheat Loaf posted:I am a bit confused about one thing: I remember there was a panel a while ago where Ehrenreich said the audition process went over several months; surely if he's just a bad actor, someone would've noticed in that time? (I don't know exactly how casting like this works.) A good actor can give a bad performance, given bad direction and/or bad writing
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Dec 25, 2017 02:15
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I did a ranking of the Wars recently bc I haven't done one since in the Disney era and I left a placeholder at the bottom for Solo. A Solo "origin story" has to get him to the point where he's kind of an amoral greaseball but that doesn't make for profitable movies. He will end up doing something heroic and have a heart of gold but that's basically his arc in Star Wars. The RLM plot predictions video is going to be 95 accurate and who cares. The joke has been made before but it should open with him falling into Starkiller Hole, freeze, record scratch, "yep that's me" etc
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Dec 25, 2017 02:23
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Just do a whole-hog recut and CG wallpapering of the Young Indiana Jones show.
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Dec 25, 2017 02:26
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I'm one of those weirdos that dug The Last Jedi, but I can't for the life of me get interested in Solo in any way, shape, or form. And considering that it feels like the majority of moviegoing audiences are of a very different opinion on TLJ, I can see franchise fatigue being a very big problem come May. Rogue One at least had everyone coming off of the high of The Force Awakens to generate buzz, irregardless of the quality of the film itself.
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Dec 25, 2017 02:32
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Ingmar terdman posted:I did a ranking of the Wars recently bc I haven't done one since in the Disney era and I left a placeholder at the bottom for Solo. A Solo "origin story" has to get him to the point where he's kind of an amoral greaseball but that doesn't make for profitable movies. He will end up doing something heroic and have a heart of gold but that's basically his arc in Star Wars. The RLM plot predictions video is going to be 95 accurate and who cares. He's going to do the heart of gold arc and then get burned, probably by Emilia Clarke's love interest character, and vow to never again look out for anyone else. Which I think would be the exact story of that 90s EU Han Solo origin trilogy but with fewer telepathic rhinoceroses. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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Dec 25, 2017 02:33
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Thundercracker posted:Man. I gotta say this is some reaching for silver lining. I think 2017 has shown definitely that massive reshoots is a hugely bad sign, and dropping the original directors and Frankensteining together a movie is worse. There's actually less Frankensteining since they decided to reshoot so much of it. If it was 50/50 between the directors, then I think you'd see the seams. Ron Howard is essentially redoing the whole thing and sticking to the script this time around. And this is not "We need to change things up and reshoot this because the script doesn't work." it's "Man they really did not follow the script with all this improv and wackiness, we need to start over..." As a reminder, one of the reports were that Lord and Miller were making Han into Ace Ventura-type character. All the TLJ complaints about the humor would surely go over just as well if that was the case. Teek fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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Dec 25, 2017 02:36
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Calling Ehrenreich a bad actor that needs a dialogue coach seems a bit on the nose given his excellent performance in Hail Caesar! .
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Dec 25, 2017 02:39
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Comstar posted:Goods News Everyone - Disney is expecting the Solo movie to bomb!. I mean, this is an obvious hit piece on an actor that's already shown to be good and charming. But it's honestly what he deserves for being a snitch in the first place.
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Dec 25, 2017 03:45
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Just got back from TLJ and it was Not Good, but not in a way that has anything to do with star wars. Bloated, disorganised, occasionally verging on incoherent.
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Dec 25, 2017 03:51
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Dec 25, 2017 04:29
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Teek posted:There's actually less Frankensteining since they decided to reshoot so much of it. If it was 50/50 between the directors, then I think you'd see the seams. Ron Howard is essentially redoing the whole thing and sticking to the script this time around. And this is not "We need to change things up and reshoot this because the script doesn't work." it's "Man they really did not follow the script with all this improv and wackiness, we need to start over..."
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Dec 25, 2017 04:30
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Comstar posted:Goods News Everyone - Disney is expecting the Solo movie to bomb!. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alden_Ehrenreich For a dude who can't act he sure was nominated for acting awards. One thing I'm not looking forward to is the assassinations Disney is going to lay blame on for their failures.
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Dec 25, 2017 04:33
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Vintersorg posted:Lord and Miller understand comedy tho. The question to that, would be whether they understand comedy that works for Star Wars. It sounded like they were doing some very non-standard Star Wars comedy with an existing character.
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Dec 25, 2017 04:33
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If comedy for Star Wars is defined as what was in TLJ it’s even more of a loss.
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Dec 25, 2017 04:52
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Disney is damage controlling hard. They already practically slandered Lord and Miller, and now they’re going after their star. Easier to foist blame others than for the producers to take responsibility. They should’ve known what they were getting into when they chose the 21 Jump Street guys.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:43
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When I think Han Solo, I think a 21 Jump Street type of humor. That was a dumb hire for that movie in the first place. Like I don’t know what in their career made Disney think they were a good choice for a ‘Han Solo origin movie’.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:45
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Mecha Gojira posted:Disney is damage controlling hard. They already practically slandered Lord and Miller, and now they’re going after their star. It'll be a huge lol if new Star Wars turns out to be the graveyard of director careers. At least Lucas will be vindicated. He at least made some good Star Wars, even if by accident.
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Dec 25, 2017 05:53
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Thundercracker posted:It'll be a huge lol if new Star Wars turns out to be the graveyard of director careers. I think it's already happening. They weren't as open about it, but they brought in another director to reshoot parts of Rogue One. I wouldn't be surprised that's what soured Gareth Edwards on working on another blockbuster, since he dropped out of Legendary's Godzilla sequel.
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Dec 25, 2017 06:06
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CelticPredator posted:Wrong How did Rey get onto the Falcon? What happened to Benicio del Toro's character? Why was the Falcon able to get away at the end where none of the other ships were? It's never totally incoherent but there are rough seams. There's a 40 minute B plot that goes nowhere, the ship chase that's supposed to be driving the plot* is long and boring and only holds together because characters withhold information from each other for no reason, Rey and Luke together probably only get 50 minutes of screen time, and on it goes. It's the longest movie in the Star Wars franchise and probably has the most subplots and least screen time for its top billed actors. It has three endings. The opening sequence is a secondary character waking up and wandering around in a hospital gown wondering what's going on. (Or is that the second opening scene?) Luke sacrifices himself nobly, only for the audience to discover it's a fake-out, but then Luke dies anyway. It is bloated and disorganized. They managed to take a movie with an extremely simple basic plot, even simpler than Empire, and make it into the longest movie in the franchise with less actually happening than Empire. We start with the rebels running away from the New Order. We end with the rebels running away from the New Order. The only things that really change between the opening five minutes of the movie and the end is by the end they lost a cruiser and some smaller ships, Luke has died of plot reasons, and Snoke is dead. (Who cares about that though?) And somehow they got a 155 minute movie out of this. How? Lots of characters spinning their wheels and going nowhere. Let's count the sequences where the heroes accomplish nothing: 1. Finn and Rose sideplot accomplishes nothing, Benicio del Toro disappears for extra comedy. The only tangible thing to come out of that whole B plot is that a slave kid gets a decoder ring. 2. Beginning space battle accomplishes nothing; the Rebel cruiser is put in exactly the same jeopardy five minutes later. 3. Speeder battle on the salt flat: the New Order achieve their objective, nothing is accomplished. 4. Poe Dameron's mutiny accomplishes nothing. 5. Killing Snoke accomplishes nothing. This one might be more surprising, but if you think about it, nothing changes for the overall plot once Snoke is dead. The New Order carries on exactly as before. This shouldn't be surprising since Snoke is a non-entity with about 20 minutes of screen time across two movies. You could even argue that Luke would have been unnecessary to the story if the rebels had bothered to check the caves for an outlet that wasn't on the schematic before the laser blew open the door. And did Rey even learn anything on Luke's island? The whole thing is sloppy. *The cruiser chase is especially ridiculous because apparently every badguy ship forgot they have hyperspace engines.
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Dec 25, 2017 06:41
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Dec 25, 2017 06:46
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If you think about it the whole series was unnecessary because everyone would have eventually died of old age anyway.
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Dec 25, 2017 06:52
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Star Wars needs every minutiae to be shown. How did the porgs get on the Falcon?
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Dec 25, 2017 07:00
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Oh I forgot Captain Phasma in my little list. She's dead now! I'm sure that will be a big deal.
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Dec 25, 2017 07:19
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Remember when they had a scene of Luke chewie and Han outside the millennium falcon and then there was another scene of all of them inside the millennium falcon and there was no scene to explain how they managed to get inside?
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Dec 25, 2017 07:39
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Mukulu posted:Star Wars needs every minutiae to be shown. How did the porgs get on the Falcon? In the old times, I would be able to read about it in an EU novel 
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Dec 25, 2017 07:49
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I wish I had a clip of the middle third of A New Hope but I don't. Just imagine I showed you that. That's the minor detail of how Rey gets off of Snoke's flagship.
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Arglebargle III posted:I wish I had a clip of the middle third of A New Hope but I don't. That was explained, aloud, by Kylo Ren right after she escaped. Maybe it didn't satisfy you, but you were literally told by the movie how she got off the ship.
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Dec 25, 2017 08:29
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Perhaps a visual medium should tell stories visually. 
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Arglebargle III posted:I wish I had a clip of the middle third of A New Hope but I don't. What you're thinking of is actually how Luke, Han, Chewie, Artoo, and Threepio infiltrate the Death Star and escape with Leia.
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This movie is completely different from proper Star Wars. In this movie the Republic is struggling for even a no-win tie, the force-user goes and trains under a reluctant recluse then rushes off early to fight the big bad in a battle she can't win, the others go off to get help in a flashy city from someone who winds up betraying them, and the whole end note is "well this sucks, what do we do now?" Meanwhile in a classic like Empire Strikes Back they... wait...
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Milky Moor posted:Perhaps a visual medium should tell stories visually. We’re shown Rey on the ship and, later, off the ship, demonstrating for us that she found a way off the ship. Since Kylo wakes up and she’s not visible, we can conclude that she fled without his knowledge. The ship he wakes up on is a half-shredded wreck, implying that the security and order that would have normally blocked Rey’s escape was then hampered. Later still we see that she’s taken the broken saber with her.
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Dec 25, 2017 08:51
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Blow that piece of junk OUTTA THE SKY ! Adam Driver rules. That line delivery was amazing. I bet the guy drinks two litres of milk everyday, easy.
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Dec 25, 2017 08:53
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If they’re going to kill off all the old rickety characters why can’t they kill R2, Chewbacca and the Millennium Falcon? Kill the past only applies to humans?
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Dec 25, 2017 08:59
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Penpal posted:I bet the guy drinks two litres of milk everyday, easy. I just laughed at this for like a minute straight. Sounds like something Adam Devine would say about someone on Workaholics
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TildeATH posted:If they’re going to kill off all the old rickety characters why can’t they kill R2, Chewbacca and the Millennium Falcon? Kill the past only applies to humans? R2, Chewie, Falcon = easily marketable. Characters with likenesses of old famous people etc. = less so.
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Seriously if Kyle Ren stabbed the Falcon in the heart, that would be brave. Keeping the autocorrect to Kyle.
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