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Ka0 posted:I'm willing to bet any money the disney committee will double down on OT material for episode IX after all the "backlash" TLJ has gotten. I mentioned in another thread that I'm actually curious now whether the Han Solo movie could conceivably do better than everyone up to allegedly Disney itself expect (disclaimer: it almost certianly won't) because fans will embrace it as this unambiguous lifeline to the original trilogy.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Although he looked good in the prequels (and I think changing him from a puppet to CG in the Phantom Menace blu-ray was a good idea), I feel like CG Yoda would've looked out of place if he'd been used. I believe he is CG here, just CG of a puppet.
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Ka0 posted:I'm willing to bet any money the disney committee will double down on OT material for episode IX after all the "backlash" TLJ has gotten. They don’t really have the material to do a RotJ rehash though, unless they’re shameless enough to do a 4th Death Star and a 3rd throne room ripoff The next one has to be fairly original because the resistance is even worse off at the end of TLJ than the rebels ever were
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Zoran posted:As if Disney would bother to make a major character an alien well he'll probably get choked to death so
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Waffles Inc. posted:They don’t really have the material to do a RotJ rehash though, unless they’re shameless enough to do a 4th Death Star and a 3rd throne room ripoff No doubt it will pick up after a time skip and the opening crawl will be something like "Inspired by the sacrifice of LUKE SKYWALKER, the galaxy has erupted in a new REBELLION against the dreaded FIRST ORDER. Thousands have joined with the brave RESISTANCE, now led by POE DAMERON, in the fight to restore peace and justice to the galaxy." and the Resistance will be a full army again or something.
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Dec 27, 2017 02:28
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Waffles Inc. posted:They don’t really have the material to do a RotJ rehash though, unless they’re shameless enough to do a 4th Death Star and a 3rd throne room ripoff The go to move here is to loop back around and rip-off the prequels Episode IX: pod racing, robot army and YES, Porg Porg Binks!
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Dec 27, 2017 02:39
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"did you ever hear about the tragedy of snoke the wise?" "well yeah that was two weeks ago" "um"
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Dec 27, 2017 02:48
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It's too bad kyle ben will be killed, he's one of the few things the sequels have going for them at this point. I could watch that weird face man throw fuckerly trantrums all day
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Dec 27, 2017 02:49
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"It's over Kylo Ren! I have the high ground!" Kylo Ren jumps off the shielded droid on Bustobar, as Rey slices him to pieces. Kylo Ren greatly regrets killing Snoke as he burns alive, a screaming agonizing death. "Waaaait a minute.... I killed my evil master like Grandpa, how did this backfire?!" Darth Vader's betrayal of the Emperor was well known, however the stormtrooper ambulance driven by the Emperor was never passed on in sith legend... a dire lesson to us all.
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Dec 27, 2017 02:55
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:Her home planet doesn't exist anymore. "polis massa", whatever that is, is still there and that's where she was born
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Dec 27, 2017 02:57
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Why did the FO give BDTs character all that money? I mean I know the reason is he gave them the way to see the 'cloaked ships', but he was caught sneaking on a Star Destroyer to sabotage it. His bargining position is highly dubious. At best I would think the space Nazi's would let him go with his life, not give him loads of cash that they apparently have.
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Dec 27, 2017 03:15
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MixMastaTJ posted:What exactly is the resistance's goal? I assumed their best case was to depose Snoke and somehow seize control of the First Order. You know, like how revolutions do? So Rey managed to convince Kylo Ren into rejoining the good side and they brought down Snoke. That's weird when you think about the story as a story. It's not weird at all when you think about the story as Disney's Star Wars, which must perpetually be reset to the status quo as of 1977. Lucas should never have sold the franchise.
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Dec 27, 2017 03:22
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On second viewing one of the things that I thought was deeply sad was how Leia—hero we all know and love—has, for offscreen reasons apparently become such a lost cause that asking people for help using her own personal like, phone number got a bunch of no responses It’s just a bummer to see her like that 
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Dec 27, 2017 03:23
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Waffles Inc. posted:On second viewing one of the things that I thought was deeply sad was how Leia—hero we all know and love—has, for offscreen reasons apparently become such a lost cause that asking people for help using her own personal like, phone number got a bunch of no responses It’s great.
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Dec 27, 2017 03:31
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mastershakeman posted:"polis massa", whatever that is, is still there and that's where she was born They literally call Alderaan her home planet in ANH.
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Dec 27, 2017 03:31
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CelticPredator posted:It’s great. Okay.
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Dec 27, 2017 03:34
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The Resistance wasn't a revolution; up until part way through TFA they were a paramilitary organisation loosely associated with the legitimate government of the galaxy (the Republic). After that they were just trying to not die. This is my read, too, but I’m super confused about the status of the Republic. Did it just cease to exist once Starkiller base was used? Does it not have it’s own military with a vested interest in fighting the FO? The whole context for this trilogy seems very...insubstantial.
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Dec 27, 2017 03:49
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Total Meatlove posted:The bombing of Dresden was a crime against humanity though? Great post/avatar combo.
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Shitshow posted:This is my read, too, but I’m super confused about the status of the Republic. Did it just cease to exist once Starkiller base was used? Does it not have it’s own military with a vested interest in fighting the FO? Apparently that was enough? According to the scrawl “the first order reigns” so I think Johnson figured the FO did the equivelant of nuking DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, Dallas and Seattle (along with entire navy) and are just mopping up And it’s...fine I guess. There will be roughly ten shitzillion movies and probably a Rebels style cartoon that take place in the 30 year gap between Jedi and TFA As far as TLJ is concerned, the FO is the empire with Vader living through his coup and the resistance is the Rebellion but...less. That’s all we need to know
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Waffles Inc. posted:My wife and I saw TLJ again today and the whole cloaking thing is handled very weirdly. The first mention of cloaking comes from Del Toro when he’s clicking away on a keypad entering Snoke’s ship, he says “now we’ll be off their scopes”, then when the rebel transports are taking off you hear someone say almost the exact same line as BDT. Then when Poe wakes up, what Leia explains isn’t anything to do with a cloaking device, it’s “they’re not monitoring for small ships”. Furthermore, what Del Toro overhears Poe say isn’t anything to do with a cloak, it’s that the rebels are loading transports. Period. And because Poe didn’t have the info about the cloaking at the time he leaked it to BDT, I’m not sure it’s possible for him to know at the end of the movie that he was directly responsible for the death of 90% of the resistance. Finn and Rose know BDT sold them out and they were within earshot when the FO mentioned a decloaking scan, but they were on Snoke’s ship for the entire time the transports were being destroyed. So it’s not immediately clear if they understand the magnitude of their failure. That means that nobody but the audience really has the whole picture. In a movie about learning from failure, it seems odd to me that the characters are prevented from being able to understand their mistakes. Having your protagonists being directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds or thousands of their comrades is a bitter enough pill for me to swallow, but denying them understanding makes the whole thing seem pointless.
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Arglebargle III posted:That's weird when you think about the story as a story. Well, yeah. In fact, I'm pretty sure Johnson set up that scene SO they could team up. But then the next movie couln't have the familiar, safe Rey vs Ren narrative. I guess I'm just lamenting how great a reverse New Hope would be where a misguided resistance has it's hope reignited by Rose and we watch from the perspective of Rey and Kylo trying to restore balance to the galaxy.
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Dec 27, 2017 04:03
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I feel like there's been massive budget cuts, war fatigue, and severe economic depression in the star wars galaxy after the OT. Starkiller base aside the First Order has like 1/10th what the empire had, ditto the rebellion. Probably one of whatever they call the new Star Destroyer shows up at your planet and you change your flags and learn the new tax code then they go off to "conquer" another world
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:They literally call Alderaan her home planet in ANH. they also say she's organa's daughter, which she isn't. so what
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mastershakeman posted:they also say she's organa's daughter, which she isn't. so what Adoption is a thing.
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MixMastaTJ posted:What exactly is the resistance's goal? I assumed their best case was to depose Snoke and somehow seize control of the First Order. You know, like how revolutions do? So Rey managed to convince Kylo Ren into rejoining the good side and they brought down Snoke. to restore the aristocracy , third time's the charm
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mastershakeman posted:they also say she's organa's daughter, which she isn't. so what She is. Their bloodlines are not a blessing to Luke and Leia, but their adoptive families are.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUYJEwI82WQ
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CelticPredator posted:It’s great. Please explain?
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Arglebargle III posted:Please explain? It's great because this movie is not about simply restoring things to the status quo re: George Lucas 1977
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Arglebargle III posted:Please explain? FWIW my opinion on it is just that it’s sad, not that it makes the movie bad or good, just that it makes me sad I think on the whole i’dve liked to have the character that we all grew up loving (and that kids like my niece currently love) not ending her movie appearances in an almost existential disgrace Leia, a woman whose live saw the destruction of the old republic senate followed by a brief whif of success followed by her lover leaving her, son turning to the dark side and murdering his father and becoming everything she feared, beloved brother abandoning the cause and second rebellion failing utterly with her name carrying no meaning at all at the end It’s heartbreaking imo
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No Mods No Masters posted:It's too bad kyle ben will be killed, he's one of the few things the sequels have going for them at this point. I could watch that weird face man throw fuckerly trantrums all day I'm wondering if they might subvert expectations and have him be defeated and live. He'll abandon his path and go live in exile on Ahch-to. You then close out the trilogy with him in meditation on the rock Luke died on. The movies ends with Rey leaving him behind as Ghost Luke stands over him in love this time. That ties together several threads and allows a repentant Ben to come back in another trilogy. You can then play with "How do you deal with a Force user who came back from the dark side?" Which is new material to mine for another trilogy, akin to what they would have done with Vader if he had lived and not died. "Execute him!" is the obvious answer, but I think there's other paths which could be explored in the series. Waffles Inc. posted:Leia, a woman whose live saw the destruction of the old republic senate followed by a brief whif of success followed by her lover leaving her, son turning to the dark side and murdering his father and becoming everything she feared, beloved brother abandoning the cause and second rebellion failing utterly with her name carrying no meaning at all at the end I think you could make that a driver of the plot, especially if you bring in someone like Lando to voice the Resistance allies' sadness and shame at not being there in her time of need. i.e. "We failed her then, we won't fail her now!" Thus is becomes the rallying cry to take out the First Order. TheDeadlyShoe posted:Rose knew they could be followed through hyperspace Huh? Rose actually has a technobabble moment where she worked it out in her head with Finn. Basically "How is that possible? If that was possible, it would have to work like X does, and if that's the case, we would need to do Y." Finn then offers info on how to do Y based on his history on FO ships. They then bring it to Poe. Saw the movie again today and paid attention to a few things. Specfically Holdo and her need to know approach. When you see her take command and talk to Poe the first time, she asks an aid for fuel projections. It's after that that Poe has Finn and Rose do their mission. So at that point, I would guess the escape to Crait isn't even on the table yet. Some time after that off screen she draws up her Crait plan alongside several of the other trusted members of the bridge crew, which I'm guessing were the few who get blasters drawn on them in the mutiny. It's at that point that she could have told her plan to Poe, but he's throwing a hissy fit at the time and kicking poo poo on the bridge. I guess at that point she could have caved to his tantrum and told him, but he's a grown rear end man. So yes, I guess she was partially to blame, but it looks like she felt she had things in hand when she still managed to turn the tables back on him. Teek fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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TerminalRaptor posted:Why did the FO give BDTs character all that money? Maybe he's worked with the FO brass before. It might explain how he got to know First Order systems inside and out, anyway. It's even possible he covertly sent a message to the FO to sell out the good guys, and that's why they got caught. Like when he was fiddling with the computer, he tapped out a quick text message saying "Hey there my Huxbuddy, got a surprise gift for you. Meet me at the hypertracking room. Bring guys with guns. -DJ"
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I finally saw this. The performances were good, and it was better than the TFA, but the plot was totally moronic. The trilogy so far feels like such a waste. They coaxed a good performance out of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamill was great in this. The new actors are solid too. With a better written plot and better directors they could have made something great.
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meet the new galactic tyrannical army, same as the old galactic tyrannical army ...with ladies!
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Arglebargle III posted:Please explain? My life sucks why can’t fictional characters lives suck as well
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Wandle Cax posted:It's great because this movie is not about simply restoring things to the status quo re: George Lucas 1977 Have you seen the movie?
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Shitshow posted:If the context and narrative are coherent, fans won’t try to “define the reality” because it will have been defined for them in-universe. But coherent context and narrative are both lacking in this film. It's Star Wars. Take one look at a random Wookiepedia page and say that.
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Finally saw TLJ. That was the suckiest bunch of suck that ever sucked. Is there a book I can read to fill in the death star sized plot holes? or maybe some extended discussion to make the completely uninteresting reveals at least not completely loving boring?
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504 posted:Finally saw TLJ. No, but you can read a book about captain phlasma's backstory???????????
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No Mods No Masters posted:No, but you can read a book about captain phlasma's backstory??????????? I'll take six.
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