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Radish posted:This is simply unacceptable now let's talk about forgiving massive securities fraud because otherwise it would be a Bad Thing for society. this dates at least back to Netanyahu openly declaring against Obama and also basically campaigning for Romney The Israel lobby and Israel-lobby-adjacent folks went dead white and started screaming about how Israeli relations cannot be allowed to become a partisan issue
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Most of them aren't cash programs. It's just people selling groceries to other people. I wonder if that's considered fraud or not. Like do they determine the 1 cent for every dollar as fraud only if it's not used for food or do they include situations where people who didn't qualify for SNAP are getting benefits. Back when I worked in banking I'd hear about food stamp fraud all the time. Like other bank tellers talking to regular customers about buying and selling food stamps. This was back when they were paper stamps with pictures of Thomas Jefferson on them. Most, if not all of that type of fraud probably stopped once food stamps went digital though. Now you need a merchant who is willing to sell you a honeybun and cigs or meth to get some real good SNAP fraud. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who oppose SNAP are still remembering how it used to be handled with paper benefits. The system is incredibly well run nowadays.
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Also food stamps haven't even existed for decades now and I'm sure someone will try to pull "I was speaking metaphorically when I called them food stamps", but it's pretty obvious sticking on that one name has a lot to do with that being the version of the program that was most demonized since it turned each person into a visible freak in the checkout line that everyone could judge most easily for if their food is too fancy or maybe not fancy enough to be acceptable.
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I'm not going to lie, I've judged people using cash benefits for smokes or poo poo before. Just gotta remind myself that lol its 6 bucks who the gently caress cares its not like that money disappeared into the ether.
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Krispy Wafer posted:I wonder if that's considered fraud or not. Like do they determine the 1 cent for every dollar as fraud only if it's not used for food or do they include situations where people who didn't qualify for SNAP are getting benefits. includes that plus selling snap for cash ("trafficking").
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Reik posted:gently caress your Soylent hate this stuff is incredible. Less than 8 bucks for 2,000 calories, takes like 5 minutes to make, and has all the vitamins and minerals. I've been drinking it since launch and never had issues. I guess you just like ingesting lead more than most of us.
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Reik posted:What's the difference between a chickpea and a garbanzo bean? Thank you for this.
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The Israelis think he's going to start a war that they need to secure all of Israel/Palestine for themselves. They see in Trump a leader who will finally let them carry out all of their snuff porn genocides against the dirty Palestinians. The world isn't going to support them or Trump and it's going to be real bad.
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Goast posted:I'm not going to lie, I've judged people using cash benefits for smokes or poo poo before. They put chemicals in cigarettes that make them super hard to not buy once you buy some. Heck we are drawing pretty close to the point we should be saying they put "chemicals" in video games that make them super hard to not buy once you buy some. If selling addictive products is a thing that is too bad for poor people it's a thing society needs to talk about if they are okay to sell at all, not go and punish the consumer over.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:I think there's also a lot of folks who are woefully misinformed about monthly amounts a person can receive. It's hillarously low. I have a friend who was going through a rough time. I let him stay on my couch for a month. He got a better job but was still catching up when i brought him in. he still had to use the stamps. Well, he had to owe 1000 back because he made slightly more. The whole thing is hosed.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:They put chemicals in cigarettes that make them super hard to not buy once you buy some. That's another huge factor that I ignored. The number of times I've spent my last 5 bucks on a pack of cheap cigarettes is embarrassing.
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There are a lot of "fiscal cliffs" with benefits, too, where there is no phase-out, you just lose them completely once you make more than $x. This can sometimes make it more advantageous to not make more money.
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There Bias Two posted:$125 is impossible to eat on in many areas. It doesn't matter if it's adequate in some places if others are starving. It's interesting to look at how SNAP benefits are calculated. Basically, the idea is that food costs shouldn't be any more than 30% of income (remember, it's the supplemental nutrition assistance program). So, the program takes the minimum amount necessary to buy healthy meals, figures out the excess, and provides the difference. If you make $800 a month, and a hypothetical healthy meal plan for your family would cost $300/month, then you get $60 (because, according to the formula, your food cost should cap at $800 * 0.3 = $240/month, so the program makes up the difference). But, there's a glaring hole there: what determines the price of that "hypothetical healthy meal plan?" The answer is the USDA's Thrifty Meal Plan. The USDA has a bunch of food scientists look at what would provide the minimum healthy nutritional intake for various age/sex groups, and come up with a "market basket" of weekly food purchases. Their model also takes extant consumption patterns into account, so it's not all "rice, beans, frozen spinach, a glass of milk, and a multivitamin," but it's heavily skewed towards that end. (And, even then, the authors admit that they can't make it work for recommended levels of vitamin E, potassium, or sodium) Then, they take the average national price for the market basket, and that's the food cost used to figure the basis for food stamps. So, any low-income person who happens to:
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No you CANNOT cash out food assistance on an EBT card. The card actually has two functions one for food assistance and the other for cash assistance (Like say for children's aid from the state). Back in days of yore, when there were actual food stamps, yes one could get a 50 cent pack of gum and pocket the change. Now when you spend food assistance the change remains on the card. I loving hate anyone that thinks people are getting money back from food assistance. Oh here is a humdinger, if you get cash assistance, your food assistance is cut way the hell down (SS, SSDI or SSI) I know from experience. Say you get 1000 a month in ss, and were, WERE, getting 200 dollars a month in food assistance, You will get a letter saying, because you dumb rear end makes too much money, here is your adjusted benefit from the 200 dollars you got, here is the new amount you are eligible for: 16 dollars for a whole drat month of meals. If you pay rent, own a car, pay other bills good luck eating. Also I hope all republicans get rear end cancer and die.
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I like one of the ideas for what kind of red meat you could eat is "neck bones"
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GreyjoyBastard posted:this dates at least back to Netanyahu openly declaring against Obama and also basically campaigning for Romney Yea, Netanyahu turning support of Israel into an explicitly partisan issue - thereby massively reducing the obligation of up-and-coming Democrats to pledge unyielding fealty to Israel's interests - is a pretty spectacular self-own. He and Trump deserve each other.
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Those drat democrats are at it again with their deficit spending! https://twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/945713601008078848
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Not to mention that this "plan" is the result of a shitton of lobbying from the food industry and does not accurately reflect the nutritional needs of most people.
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Cross posting because I need help signal boosting this rally: Fluffdaddy posted:Hey guys, a cop just beat the poo poo out of a 17 year old kid in Troy Alabama last week and there will be a rally for him on the 30th. Help me signal boost and get the word out on social media: If you are in the Troy Alabama area, the rally will be on December 30th. They are calling for the officer to be fired and charged.
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Sinister_Beekeeper posted:I guess you just like ingesting lead more than most of us. When all my organs are shielded from the gamma rays you'll feel pretty bad for making this post.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I like one of the ideas for what kind of red meat you could eat is "neck bones" the feeling when you start seeing dogwhistles where they shouldn't be and wonder if your own biases are responsible for them
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I like one of the ideas for what kind of red meat you could eat is "neck bones" Turning random unwanted bits of cow (or any other animal) into soup has been a poor people staple for centuries if not millennia. Neck bones are especially good because they're from the spine, which has a lot of gelatin (all those discs and cushioning bits basically dissolve when they're boiled for hours, and give soup a really rich texture). Of course, these days random bone bits go for $4-6/pound because rich people have discovered "bone broth" and stores have realized their meat department can put a premium price tag onto the stuff they were practically giving away before. There Bias Two posted:Not to mention that this "plan" is the result of a shitton of lobbying from the food industry and does not accurately reflect the nutritional needs of most people. That's honestly a saving grace rather than a problem. The lobbying is literally incorporated into a mathematical model (via the food pyramid input). That provides an upwards pressure on the price of the food basket, helping keep it out of "well technically you could eat nothing but unseasoned rice and beans for $20/month. Oh, and buy the multivitamin with your own money" territory. Since it's a cashlike benefit, it literally just means more money for people.
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Mr. Powers posted:There are a lot of "fiscal cliffs" with benefits, too, where there is no phase-out, you just lose them completely once you make more than $x. This can sometimes make it more advantageous to not make more money. It very, very rarely actually makes it disadvantageous to earn more-but it's disproportionately discussed. What more commonly happens (and Obamacare in medicaid expansion states is a great example of this) is that assistance reduces as income rises. As an example, if you go from making $15,000/yr to $45,000/yr, you don't feel as if your standard of living is increasing by 3x-because you There are lessons here as it comes to meanstesting and universality, as well as how government programs are perceived (look at what were essentially "new access" elements of Obamacare, preexisting conditions and raising the age where people can be on parents' insurance longer vs "expense reduction" elements). e:edit to clarify
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Space Gopher posted:Turning random unwanted bits of cow (or any other animal) into soup has been a poor people staple for centuries if not millennia. Neck bones are especially good because they're from the spine, which has a lot of gelatin (all those discs and cushioning bits basically dissolve when they're boiled for hours, and give soup a really rich texture). I knew someone would be along to tell me 'well actually neck bones are great to eat". It's not funny because neck bones are impossible to eat it's funny because the list for beef (brisket, short ribs, neck bones, regular ground beef, and corned beef) is otherwise so generic that it seems out of place to just randomly put neck bones in there. Like if you want a very generic american food centric list it's weird to have it but if you want to make a very general list that includes everyone it feels weird to just have one "diverse" example that is something like neck bones then nothing else.
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It's also kinda weird that the most nutrient dense part of animals (organ meats) are the cheapest and "least desirable" here in the US.
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Yeah but the food pyramid is not based on accurate science either, therefore screwing up the model.
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paternity suitor posted:It's also kinda weird that the most nutrient dense part of animals (organ meats) are the cheapest and "least desirable" here in the US. It's because they were marketed against, just like lard was. Organ meat is tasty as hell, especially if cooked right. But just like a lot of food, it has a lower class connotation to it. I can't help but make the relation to the way that slaves used to be given the "bad" parts of the hog, which is basically the genesis of most of soul food. While it might not be healthy, it's rather hard to argue it's not tasty and filling food.
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paternity suitor posted:It's also kinda weird that the most nutrient dense part of animals (organ meats) are the cheapest and "least desirable" here in the US. What is or isn't a nutrient kinda depends on what you already ate. A bunch of loose hamburger meat has a ton of calories and salt and those are the two things you need to not drop dead this actual week. So both culture and biology kinda worked on that set of nutrients being the goal to the point now everyone eats so much of them that they die compared to the other sorts of nutrients that have effects over months and years and lifetimes.
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The problem with all of these articles is they always include the phrase "no one could see it coming" when, in fact, most everyone could see it coming, the people making the choices just didn't (and don't) care. I read an article the other day about how Dollar stores are becoming one of the fastest growing and expanding business in America. "Oh poo poo" we all say, "this can't lead anywhere good!" In ten years we'll be reading about how lovely things are and how ten years ago when this trend started no one could see it coming! Keep treating this poo poo as if it's the accidental offshoot of carelessness and nothing will ever change, treat it as it is: careful and willful devaluation of the worker and society as a whole.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/27/most-admired-man-woman-gallup-319367quote:Trump’s predecessor, former President Barack Obama, and vanquished general election opponent, Hillary Clinton, retain their titles as the man and woman Americans most admire, according to the Gallup poll released Wednesday morning. Make the tweet, you piece of poo poo.
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Coelacanthian posted:https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/27/most-admired-man-woman-gallup-319367 "But I am the most admired person."
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paternity suitor posted:It's also kinda weird that the most nutrient dense part of animals (organ meats) are the cheapest and "least desirable" here in the US. Organ meat in many places is fairly unavailable in the US and depending on the organ there's some prep work involved that many people  out on (liver/milk, etc) Beef hearts are good as gently caress though
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I'm in Oregon and part of my job is income qualifying people for super low-income housing. We don't count SNAP but i still have people tell me all the time what they get because most people assume we count it. Basically the only people that are able to get a cash benefit on the same card as food benefits are elderly people who get some cash assistance from aging and disability, and parents getting TANF/SNAP.
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Coelacanthian posted:https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/27/most-admired-man-woman-gallup-319367 He's holding in that rage tweet for when Prince Harry invites the Obama's to his wedding and snubs Trump.
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RevKrule posted:He's holding in that rage tweet for when Prince Harry invites the Obama's to his wedding and snubs Trump. Inviting Trump to any event not about him is a recipe for disaster.
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skylined! posted:what the gently caress israel train stations do get pissed on a lot
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Duke Igthorn posted:The problem with all of these articles is they always include the phrase "no one could see it coming" when, in fact, most everyone could see it coming, the people making the choices just didn't (and don't) care. I read an article the other day about how Dollar stores are becoming one of the fastest growing and expanding business in America. "Oh poo poo" we all say, "this can't lead anywhere good!" In ten years we'll be reading about how lovely things are and how ten years ago when this trend started no one could see it coming! People are stupid and incapable of change both individually and as a whole. We are a doomed species, no better than lemmings.
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RevKrule posted:He's holding in that rage tweet for when Prince Harry invites the Obama's to his wedding and snubs Trump. The Royals are always so reserved but if anyone takes that stand I could see it being Harry. Gets me all hot and bothered just thinking about such a high-profile snub and the ensuing frothy meltdown.
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The one thing Trump is good at is getting his name on buildings, so this makes sense.
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Its almost as if you give tax dollars/tax breaks to people who would actually spend it vs people who are just going to pocket it. The former will go out and reinvest those funds in the economy...stimulating spending and subsidizing economic development. While the latter will hoard that wealth, removing it from the economy and slowing growth. Like, the exact opposite of what the tax bill does. And it doesn’t matter if poor people are spending their assistance on food or whatever. It’s another dollar run through the economy again. It serves its purpose as assisting someone in need and driving the economy.
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