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This was a really boring movie that made the main threat even less of a threat with cringey lines and “comedy”. What a shame. Prequels were genuinely more enjoyable.
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The prequels subverted our expectations of star wars films.
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Dec 28, 2017 20:26
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...e/#6023a19b18d8quote:To begin to appreciate the epic nature of the Last Jedi catastrophe, consider the 9.2 magnitude megathrust 1964 Good Friday earthquake near Anchorage, Alaska. That was such a massive catastrophe that it killed Oregonians and Californians more than 1,000 miles away. lol this guy owns
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Dec 28, 2017 20:26
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So to understand how big of a problem the sequels were you have to understand context. Context was key. Now you may be different from me but I was born in 1989 and didn't exactly live in a "Big City." But by the age of 5 I already knew that Star Wars were big important movies and had seen them multiple times by the age of 6. For reference the first film I can remember seeing in theaters was The Lion King followed by the re-releases of Star Wars and The Lost World. Star Wars was a cultural phenomenon to the point that even in po-dunk nowhere the re-releases sold out. It was estimated 22 million people took off work to see The Return of the Jedi at release. I don't think there was a film series that has had that kind of response again in our history and I doubt we will ever see one again. This was like the finale of MASH. When the prequels started production there was a non-stop birrage of media coverage and hype. I remember my best friend's mother specifically stalking out to find tickets and pulling us out of school so we could go see a screening on the Friday of the Phantom Menace's release. Millions of people missed work just like in 1983 with ROJ. The Phantom Menace came out at the tail end of the Clinton Presidency - after a 10 year period of economic growth and stability of which the US had not seen in a good long while. The national conscious was very different from the past. Even at the age of 10 after having seen the film once I knew it was not very good. And this was the general consensus for fans and non-fans alike. The amount of hype for this film was like no other of the time. I have not personally experienced anything like it again in my life. The film felt like a movie designed to appeal to children in a lot of ways even to me at the age of 10. It lacked a lot of set action pieces that people were accustomed to and most importantly it's storyline was confusing, felt sluggish, slow and boring, and seemed to have no payoff. The original trilogy has a very natural flow to the events. Things happen for clearcut reasons. When our hero has to travel to a strange planet in the middle of nowhere there's a clear why behind all of it. The story and it's events are tied together in a very compact structure. The Phantom Menace felt like the opposite. It felt contrived. Too many cheap coincidences and no story structure. We see planets and aliens that have no back-story and thus must be built up from scratch - despite featuring a variety of perfectly usable alien races in The Original Series that would of needed no introduction. You've got wookies, sand people, Hutts, Twi'leks, Rodians, Ewoks, Mon Calamari, Sullustrans, Gammorans, Ithorians, Bith, Duros, Aqualish, to name a few. And out of all those they not only had to go and create a new one to focus the film on but also do it poorly? Obi-Wan and Qui Gon Jin just happen to have their Drive Go out that just Happens to land them on Tatooinie that just happens to lead them to Anakin? This is a storyline that really has nothing to do with the central plot of the film. It certainly isn't very natural and doesn't make a whole ton of sense. Instead of featuring a conflict on Tatooine itself we get pulled to it by pure plot-power. And these are arguements and problems you will see throughout the prequel. They don't feel like Star Wars. They don't flow naturally. They don't seem to involve the same universe as the original series. They don't flow at all.
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Dec 28, 2017 21:23
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Is that the IMDB screed because wowee that is something I'm especially fond of quote:It lacked a lot of set action pieces that people were accustomed to in light of Podracing, a space battle, a pitched field battle and the only lightsaber fight from the prequels that people who don't like the movies like
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Dec 28, 2017 21:29
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If we're going with the idea that Anakin was a virgin birth and his father was literally the Force, I don't see much of an issue with accepting the crash landing on Tatooine being part of that whole deal. The will of the Force and all that.
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Dec 28, 2017 21:29
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fridge corn posted:the galaxy is a very different place at the time of the prequels, in fact it's what lies at the very heart of the films I knew this was going to be an objection. I would be fine with this is the difference between the earlier time and the later time was interesting, but the world of the prequels is a boring place. It feels antiseptic. It's just not a fun world to have an adventure movie in. If anything, it needs to be more sumptuous, more splendid, with more texture.
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Dec 28, 2017 21:38
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What a coincidence that things in a prequel happened in such a way that it makes possible the events of the following films! Yeah, that's a real fuckin' head-scratcher, it is. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize the prequels, but "I find the plot unlikely" is really reaching.
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Dec 28, 2017 21:40
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Waffles Inc. posted:Is that the IMDB screed because wowee that is something Can't be me, I was 15 when it came out. Obviously my memories from 1999 aren't perfect but I can't remember a single high school friend liking it or feeling passionate about it.
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Dec 28, 2017 21:41
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Why do people think their impression of a movie as a ten year old matters?
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Dec 28, 2017 22:16
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Which movie is better and why, Attack of the Clones or the Phantom Menace? I wish we had a goon poll/power rankings of all the movies in the series.
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Dec 28, 2017 22:17
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Phantom Menace is better. It looks better, the story is more streamlined, and it has the 2nd best lightsaber fight in the entire series.
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Dec 28, 2017 22:22
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I like Liam Neeson but I don’t like many of the words they have him say or the order they put them in when they wrote it.
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Dec 28, 2017 22:24
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Phanton Menace is better but it's still a horrible star wars film.
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Dec 28, 2017 22:25
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Spacebump posted:Which movie is better and why, Attack of the Clones or the Phantom Menace? Phantom Menace. Looks better, more action, better action, less bad acting, more hilarious racist caricatures.
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Dec 28, 2017 22:26
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I really like the quick fight between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul on Tatooine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJnoL4KR8g&t=67s
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Dec 28, 2017 22:30
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Ewan MacGregor is hotter in Clones
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Dec 28, 2017 22:36
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Spacebump posted:Which movie is better and why, Attack of the Clones or the Phantom Menace? I don't need a poll to tell you that it's going to be OT > everything else > PT dominating. The Phantom Menace is the better movie, because it is more self-contained. Attack of the Clones is the more interesting movie, because the gears of the Jedi and the Republic are visibly grinding toward their downfall. Only the fact that it requires four other movies for maximum enjoyment makes it worse than TPM.
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Dec 28, 2017 22:43
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Spacebump posted:Which movie is better and why, Attack of the Clones or the Phantom Menace? Judged only as individual films, I'd rate Phantom Menace higher. As parts of a greater story, Attack of the Clones. TheNewt posted:Phanton Menace is better but it's still a horrible star wars film. This is curiously specific.
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Dec 28, 2017 22:45
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SleepCousinDeath posted:I really like the quick fight between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul on Tatooine This is a good fight. TELTHEMTOTAKOFF!!
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Dec 28, 2017 22:48
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SleepCousinDeath posted:I really like the quick fight between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul on Tatooine Why were they running to the ship before Maul even showed up? (I think I once heard there was a deleted scene that explained it.)
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Dec 28, 2017 23:02
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CountFosco posted:I knew this was going to be an objection. I would be fine with this is the difference between the earlier time and the later time was interesting, but the world of the prequels is a boring place. It feels antiseptic. It's just not a fun world to have an adventure movie in. If anything, it needs to be more sumptuous, more splendid, with more texture. The whole point of star wars is the dirty, well-worn, lived-in quality of the galaxy. It's a rough place with problems and inequality and slavery and trade tariffs and all that stuff is intrinsically star wars and its in the prequels. If anything the prequels do focus on the more sumptuous more splendid areas of the galaxy such as naboo and coruscant. I don't understand what your actual complaint is
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Powered Descent posted:Why were they running to the ship before Maul even showed up? In a deleted scene the probe droid that Maul is using, and which zooms by in several shots during the Tatooine arc, actually catches up to Qui-Gon while he’s picking up Anakin.
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Dec 28, 2017 23:04
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SleepCousinDeath posted:I really like the quick fight between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul on Tatooine Watching the Ben + Qui Gon and Maul fight I have to say I'm impressed at the zeal and choreography Ewan brings after Qui Gon gets killed. Liam feels almost zen like when attacking Maul but poo poo goes intense when Ben comes in solo. EDIT: Also the video is dated so it's not good quality but I'm pretty sure Maul's kick to Ben's face misses almost as bad as Luke's when rescuing Han and Leia from Jabba. Gatts fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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Dec 28, 2017 23:10
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Gatts posted:Watching the Ben + Qui Gon and Maul fight I have to say I'm impressed at the zeal and choreography Ewan brings after Qui Gon gets killed. Liam feels almost zen like when attacking Maul but poo poo goes intense when Ben comes in solo. It does, yeah. But yeah one of my favourite small things is the way Ewan jacks himself up before that shield comes down. And how Darth Maul doesn't give a single gently caress about killing Qui Gon, he stabs him and immediately turns around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKlLMRuOx10 2m47s Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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Dec 28, 2017 23:22
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The Phantom Menace is a very well-put-together piece of cinema based on a highly audacious piece of dramatic irony, which is to say, the villain wins and none of the heroes realize it. Attack of the Clones has a bigger idea - this is the story of how the Republic became the Empire - but it is a bit overfull, and it chooses not to telegraph to the audience whether they should consider the characters right or wrong, which naturally resulted in mixed feelings. Not to mention the action scene in the droid foundry, while exciting, is probably the most pointless scene in any Star War; its only rival is the stuff with the rathtars in The Force Awakens.
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Dec 28, 2017 23:32
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Attack of the Clones has a whole lot of really beautiful shots. One small one that I particularly like is the moment when the Republic gunships lift up out of the arena. Your view swings up from below to above the gunship, and you see that this is not just a rescue—there is an entire ground invasion going on outside. The gunship rotates its missiles into the launch tubes with a click to punctuate the shot.
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Dec 28, 2017 23:46
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That conveyor belt scene is junk because apparently they told the actors to pantomime whatever they wanted for a bunch of takes and the effects people would come up with something to match it. That’s like something out of experimental film, but lazy instead of interesting.
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business hammocks posted:That conveyor belt scene is junk because apparently they told the actors to pantomime whatever they wanted for a bunch of takes and the effects people would come up with something to match it. That’s like something out of experimental film, but lazy instead of interesting. It was like watching a terrible high budget version of the games kids would play on Nick Arcade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSCFlafbXBs&t=26s
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Dec 28, 2017 23:50
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every prequel movie is orders of magnitude better than TLJ. especially TPM
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Dec 28, 2017 23:55
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I like the Detective Obi-Wan stuff in AOTC but Anakin and Padme's stuff on Naboo is pretty tedious.
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Dec 28, 2017 23:56
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In a series of movies that heavily features dicks and vaginas AotC reigns supreme.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I like the Detective Obi-Wan stuff in AOTC but Anakin and Padme's stuff on Naboo is pretty tedious. I think it's pretty great. We get a slow verbal, visual and costume reveal that Padme falls in love with and then wants to gently caress a fascist who would worship at her feet and protect her throne.
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Dec 29, 2017 00:30
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Okay okay peep this. Rogue: Cate Blanchett Jedi Gay Bestie: Hugh Jackman Droid: Robo Gina Carano Sith Apprentice: Chris Hemsworth Mother Weapons Trader: Helen Mirren Sith Lord: Tyler Perry as Darth Plaugeis the Wise Setting: Old Republic Director: Michael Bay Cinematography: Roger Deakins Music: John Williams and Alan Menken Written by: Shane Black and Eric Roth When a Rogue sees what she likes, no Force will stop her from getting her prize...even if its a man. A Romeo and Juliet romance set on the backdrop of the biggest war between dark and light. I seriously want a galaxy spanning epic sci fi romance. that's stealth origin of Sidious Gatts fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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Dec 29, 2017 00:32
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Waffles Inc. posted:I think it's pretty great. We get a slow verbal, visual and costume reveal that Padme falls in love with and then wants to gently caress a fascist who would worship at her feet and protect her throne. All of the Naboob scenes have great visuals. I think some movie viewers just really don't like to talk about sand. Edit: they also looks like 2 hour extended cutscenes from a Sega 32x game
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UmOk posted:In a series of movies that heavily features dicks and vaginas AotC reigns supreme. I feel extremely gross even trying this out, but when Episode II was put out on video, did they digitally add piping and seams to Natalie Portman’s shirt to obscure her nipples? I swear those elements weren’t there in the theater, but I was a stupid child and may be a stupid adult as well.
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exquisite tea posted:I'll get this one for you: They were bad. Don't do this to me, Tea, you're going down a path I can't follow.
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Waffles Inc. posted:I think it's pretty great. We get a slow verbal, visual and costume reveal that Padme falls in love with and then wants to gently caress a fascist who would worship at her feet and protect her throne. Sure, I don't disagree that's what it's there for, I just thought it was a bit boring. 
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I do sort of wish Padmé and Anakin had more to actually do with each other during AOTC. They don’t really share an action scene until the arena, which is after they’ve professed their love to each other. I suspect the factory scene was meant to take this spot, but even there they get split up almost immediately and don’t really interact much.
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Blazing Ownager posted:ED: Am I the only person ever to get really annoyed they didn't even put a wind machine on the speeder so they're going like 200 mph with exposed helicopter like sides and nobody's hair is even blowing? For me that admittedly minor detail sums up why the whole battle looks like CGI masturbation with no care to the details beyond that. A small detail that literally personifies why the effects suck for me. You're either visually impaired of full of poo poo. Anakin gets on the speeder and his cape immediately starts flowing with the speed. Anakin has short hair so it's not going to move much, but his hair tassle thing is flowing too. https://youtu.be/QeqEvT0UNnE Skip to :51.
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