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Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

Tender Bender posted:

Billy Dee is still acting, why the gently caress isn't he here

hes too sexual

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Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Milky Moor posted:

In Rogue One, a Rebel Transport slams into Vader's ISD at 'accelerating to hyperspace speeds' and practically bounces off it. Vader's ISD is literally untouched.

(This is a great scene that depicts how immediately screwed the Rebels are, in comparison to TLJ where it's just 'cool')

I just watched Rogue One for the first time and that's a movie that understands how loving cool star destroyers are and shows it with the camerawork

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

for real none of the characters in the new movies are very sexual

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

han n lando were all about leias hot bod

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

AndyElusive posted:

He was at Star Wars Celebration and sounded like he'd be up for whatever. He'll pop up in something sooner than later.


Are you arguing with the opening scroll of ANH? :colbert:

They win a victory in the sense that they achieve their mission objectives -- escape with the DS1 plans.

They lose, however, just about every asset they sent to do it.

Kevin Palpatine
Dec 20, 2017

Turdfuzz posted:

for real none of the characters in the new movies are very sexual

even rose kissing finn was a nonevent. maybe she should've just slurped his dingdong.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Tender Bender posted:

I just watched Rogue One for the first time and that's a movie that understands how loving cool star destroyers are and shows it with the camerawork

The space battle in RO is still the best space battle in any SW movie IMO

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

Kevin Palpatine posted:

even rose kissing finn was a nonevent. maybe she should've just slurped his dingdong.

disney is too prudish for that
suicide is fine tho

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
One thing I notice is that in Saudi Arabia and America, violence is A-Ok but sex isn't. Somehow sex and desire is bad and needs to be cut. As a kid I can watch Total Recall and the squibs go off but less so Sharon Stone get kinky.

I don't get it, but there it is. Conversely in the past, late night Canadian TV, I could get foreign movies on regular TV that were deemed too racy featuring graphic sex scenes in a movie called Golden Balls and it was A-Ok.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Gatts posted:

One thing I notice is that in Saudi Arabia and America, violence is A-Ok but sex isn't. Somehow sex and desire is bad and needs to be cut. As a kid I can watch Total Recall and the squibs go off but less so Sharon Stone get kinky.

I don't get it, but there it is. Conversely in the past, late night Canadian TV, I could get foreign movies on regular TV that were deemed too racy featuring graphic sex scenes in a movie called Golden Balls and it was A-Ok.

Because Canada Rules and Saudi Arabia Drools.

Kevin Palpatine
Dec 20, 2017

Gatts posted:

One thing I notice is that in Saudi Arabia and America, violence is A-Ok but sex isn't. Somehow sex and desire is bad and needs to be cut. As a kid I can watch Total Recall and the squibs go off but less so Sharon Stone get kinky.

I don't get it, but there it is. Conversely in the past, late night Canadian TV, I could get foreign movies on regular TV that were deemed too racy featuring graphic sex scenes in a movie called Golden Balls and it was A-Ok.

That's nothing new. When Goldfinger was being screened for audiences, the british said there was too much violence and the americans said there was too much sex.

BardoTheConsumer
Apr 6, 2017


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Gatts posted:

One thing I notice is that in Saudi Arabia and America, violence is A-Ok but sex isn't. Somehow sex and desire is bad and needs to be cut. As a kid I can watch Total Recall and the squibs go off but less so Sharon Stone get kinky.

I don't get it

Yeah me neither. I was reading one of those parent's reviews (don't ask) and the woman said something like "there's a scene where a male chareacter is shirtless and a female character gets flustered." Like the mere ghost of an idea of a sexually charged scene is somehow objectionable. Then again that seems to apply to female sexuality more than male.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
https://twitter.com/EsPyramid/status/946559232744280066

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

That bit, and the "Every word you just said is wrong" bit, were so transparently made to be parroted back at people who say they don't like the film.

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

like every line by luke was meant to be quoted all he says are one liners

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

luke will come back as a ghost in the next movie n he will make a bad joke about it

an skeleton
Apr 23, 2012

scowls @ u
saw this movie again, absolutely incredible, 9/10 for me. so many arcs and themes and really good acting, especially by mark hamill.

sponges
Sep 15, 2011

Milky Moor posted:

That bit, and the "Every word you just said is wrong" bit, were so transparently made to be parroted back at people who say they don't like the film.

I can’t wait to use the It’s Salt gif on TLJ detractors

Filthy Casual
Aug 13, 2014

sponges posted:

I can’t wait to use the It’s Salt gif on TLJ detractors

an skeleton
Apr 23, 2012

scowls @ u

an skeleton posted:

saw this movie again, absolutely incredible, 9/10 for me. so many arcs and themes and really good acting, especially by mark hamill.

This being said, here are my main complaints for the movie:
* Leia force pulling herself back to the ship. I can't put my finger on what the problem here is, the execution just bugs me, I don't think it came off on screen the way they wanted it to for me.
* I'm not sure what Rey's arc is. They tried to sell her potentially going to the dark side but I ain't buying it. Kylo's character is much more compelling to me.
* Not enough role for aliens in this film. Everyone's a stinkin' human and aliens are relegated to the background. It's racist!

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

did u like the part where the lil cgi alien goblin in the casino groped bb n burped n was drunk i thought it was very LOL!!! so good n very funny!!!

Kevin Palpatine
Dec 20, 2017

can you edit it so he pulls out a big plate of french fries?

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Turdfuzz posted:

did u like the part where the lil cgi alien goblin in the casino groped bb n burped n was drunk i thought it was very LOL!!! so good n very funny!!!

You joke, cus you're a gross and loud ape person but I legit found that alien to be amusing.

Dude plunked so many coins into BB-8 he ended up being able to use them to machine gun dunk some goddang prison guards.

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

AndyElusive posted:

You joke, cus you're a gross and loud ape person but I legit found that alien to be amusing.

Dude plunked so many coins into BB-8 he ended up being able to use them to machine gun dunk some goddang prison guards.

Yeah that was hilarious

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Y'know who did mo-cap for the little alien putting coins in BB-8?

quote:

Canto Bight, the opulent locale in The Last Jedi, brought us fathiers, Benicio del Toro‘s DJ, a bevy of fancy attire, and a little drunk alien trying to shove coins into BB-8. The guy that mistook our favorite spherical droid for a slot machine is Dobbu Scay, and though he’s a purely CG character, he was brought to life in a motion capture performance by none other than Mark Hamill.

The Last Jedi VFX supervisor Ben Morris told Nerdist, “Mark came to Rian [Johnson]. Mark’s done an awful lot of computer game voices for characters, but he’s never had the chance [to do mo-cap]. So, he said, ‘I want to put the dots on, man. I want to do that mo-cap thing.'”

The director obliged. “Rian made a little cameo for Mark,” Morris said. “We brought him after the main shoot to our ILM and performance capture stage in London. We spent an afternoon with him, staging those moments with Rian. That was quite bizarre.”

Morris continued, “We actually built the gigantic wire frame BB-8 that was a little to the right side so that Mark was the same height as the toad dude. So, we’ve got this enormous BB-8, like the Christmas bauble, that’s made out of wire. I think Mark had a great time. And we leave that as the basis for his performance ideas for the character.”

Creature shop head Neal Scanlan said they made a maquette of Dobbu Scay, who Morris affectionately calls “the toad dude” and combined Hamill’s mo-cap performance with puppeteers—Scanlan and Morris really work in tandem to bring the creatures to the galaxy.

Scanlan explained, “Digital made a very big version of BB-8, and so we performed it. Warwick [Davis] and Jimmy Vee played the real scale character with the real sized BB-8, and then the digital guys had a big BB-8 made and Mark played the character to the big BB-8. They motion captured his performance and then scanned in the characters and created it as a full digital character, which is great.”

So next time you watch The Last Jedi and see the little wobbly alien stuffing coins into BB-8, remember that’s Hamill in a mo-cap suit. If we’re lucky, Lucasfilm will share behind-the-scenes photos.

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

Whatever.

Milky Moor posted:

In Rogue One, a Rebel Transport slams into Vader's ISD at 'accelerating to hyperspace speeds' and practically bounces off it. Vader's ISD is literally untouched.

I'm not sure it's actually jumping yet. Several ships around it jump, but it just kind of eases across the frame and then smashes into the Destroyer when it arrives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinaxxXXt40&t=96s

Also to get a handle on the size and mass being thrown around, the rebel transport which crashed there was 90 meters, Vader's Star Destroyer the Devastator was 1,600 meters and the Raddus that Holdo flew was 3,438 meters. Snoke's ship the supremacy was 13 km deep, and 60 km wide. The Super Star Destroyers are around 16-19 km long. The Death Star was 160 km.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014


That's not true. Hamil did motion capture for his cgi self in squadron 42.

http://www.neatorama.com/neatogeek/2015/11/21/Mark-Hamill-is-Good-at-Keeping-Secrets/

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Waffles Inc. posted:

Why not then...apologise to Poe? Reinstate him?

Ultimately as a manager myself if a subordinate made a mistake and I busted them down for it and then later found out that it had unambiguously saved the company I would surely at least eat some crow

Then you'd be a super lovely manager? Someone making a mistake that happens to work out doesn't suddenly make it not a mistake? I mean what you're arguing is that someone stumbling rear end-backwards into a working solution is a good and praiseworthy thing and should be promoted. :psyduck:

BardoTheConsumer
Apr 6, 2017


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


an skeleton posted:

This being said, here are my main complaints for the movie:
* Leia force pulling herself back to the ship. I can't put my finger on what the problem here is, the execution just bugs me, I don't think it came off on screen the way they wanted it to for me.
* I'm not sure what Rey's arc is. They tried to sell her potentially going to the dark side but I ain't buying it. Kylo's character is much more compelling to me.
* Not enough role for aliens in this film. Everyone's a stinkin' human and aliens are relegated to the background. It's racist!

Point one: I agree. Cool scene but something was just off about it. Might have been her posture.

Point two: she wasn't interested in the dark side for anything but the vague promise that she could learn her parents identities, but she has now left that behind.

Point three: needs more twileks, I agree.

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

Kevin Palpatine
Dec 20, 2017
YES

Ka0
Sep 16, 2002

:siren: :siren: :siren:
AS A PROUD GAMERGATER THE ONLY THING I HATE MORE THAN WOMEN ARE GAYS AND TRANS PEOPLE
:siren: :siren: :siren:
Alejandro Jodorowski should direct episode IX.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Is it just that this 3D version is garbage or all 3D versions are garbage or is it how this film looks because the divide between foreground action and the CGI backgrounds was so sharp it gave a lot of scenes an unnatural and poor mesh between actors and the CGI environments.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

All 3D is garbage

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

galagazombie posted:

One cruiser to take out a whole fleet of star destroyers as well as disable the giant B2 bomber is a kill-ratio any military leader would cream themselves over. We know they have droid ships and can put a hyperdrive on any small fighter. Scaling down you could smack any big ship with 1-2 droid kamikazes per target. Hux even realized Holdo was ramming and couldn't do anything to stop it with all his guns and tractor beams.

The fact that he realized and was too slow to stop it is the real key here. What specifically happened is that Hux let Holdo get too close without firing on her, because he was gleefully vaping the lifeboats instead. Once he realized what she was doing, he started firing, but was too late. The implication is that if he'd been wise to what was going on, he could've just turned his superior firepower on the approaching ship and dismantled it before it could A) get into close range, such that over the distance from its hull to his it'd still be a lump of metal going insanely fast rather than a phased-out ghost ship and B) charged up its hyperdrive to actually instantiate the jump.

We can synthesize this information from TLJ and also the bit where the star destroyer doesn't give a gently caress about the x-wings in R1 to determine that a lightspeed kamikaze is only effective from very close range (well within the range at which shields stop being reliable) and if the kamikaze has at least a sizable fraction of the target's mass. So, the actual use cases are pretty narrow.

ChickenHeart
Nov 28, 2007

Take me at your own risk.

Kiss From a Hog
I just finished watching this thing.


So, is the rebellion like, twenty guys and gals now? I'm not sure how many folks you can fit onto that millennium falcon. Also poor old Luke; thought of a hologram and died.

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006

Barudak posted:

Is it just that this 3D version is garbage or all 3D versions are garbage or is it how this film looks because the divide between foreground action and the CGI backgrounds was so sharp it gave a lot of scenes an unnatural and poor mesh between actors and the CGI environments.

it looks like that in 2D too

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

Ferrinus posted:

The fact that he realized and was too slow to stop it is the real key here. What specifically happened is that Hux let Holdo get too close without firing on her, because he was gleefully vaping the lifeboats instead. Once he realized what she was doing, he started firing, but was too late. The implication is that if he'd been wise to what was going on, he could've just turned his superior firepower on the approaching ship and dismantled it before it could A) get into close range, such that over the distance from its hull to his it'd still be a lump of metal going insanely fast rather than a phased-out ghost ship and B) charged up its hyperdrive to actually instantiate the jump.

We can synthesize this information from TLJ and also the bit where the star destroyer doesn't give a gently caress about the x-wings in R1 to determine that a lightspeed kamikaze is only effective from very close range (well within the range at which shields stop being reliable) and if the kamikaze has at least a sizable fraction of the target's mass. So, the actual use cases are pretty narrow.

The Raddus was sitting outside range of their guns though. If you can't dodge from that range and you can't shoot at that range then points A and B don't really hold weight. Plus you wouldn't send like one fighter at a time. Look at those droid fighters in the prequels, send a squadron and at least one will get through.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

galagazombie posted:

The Raddus was sitting outside range of their guns though. If you can't dodge from that range and you can't shoot at that range then points A and B don't really hold weight. Plus you wouldn't send like one fighter at a time. Look at those droid fighters in the prequels, send a squadron and at least one will get through.

Holdo's ship was definitely in the range of the FO guns. It was barely out all chase, and was out of fuel by the end of the movie, and indeed Hux was shooting PAST it to blow up the lifeboats. And that was before it started turning around and approaching.

If you bundled a bunch of droids in X-Wings and had them all kamikaze a star destroyer from close range, at least one WILL probably get through, but it'll also probably deal negligible damage just like we saw happen in RO. Also, droids are people, so you're using suicide soldiers whether or not they happen to bleed blood.

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TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

Holdo's ship was always in range, it just had too strong shields for the guns to hurt it at that range, unlike the transports.

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