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CelticPredator posted:what the gently caress is harkins I'm phone posting from work. Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin's personal corvette, the Carrion Spike.
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Turtlicious posted:Erego cloaking means something else when talking about tiny transports. These are some impressive gymnastics. Almost as impressive as Jivjov saying that the word 'fighter' in Star Wars parlance has nothing in common with the usage of the word by contemporary audiences or the WW2 combat ethos that Star Wars apes.
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Turtlicious posted:There are 2 ships in the universe shown to turn invisible. Darth Mails and Harkins, no one else can do it. So cloaking must have dual meaning. What? I thought you said EU isn't canon?
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Dec 30, 2017 02:42
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Milky Moor posted:These are some impressive gymnastics. You're watching a movie in a different universe. Next your gonna be mad that admiral captain and commander aren't all 07 08 09 enlisted.
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Dec 30, 2017 02:42
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Uhh I see your posts ijn the phone app but they disappeared before I could read them I'm gonna see if posting releases them.
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Dec 30, 2017 02:45
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Milky Moor posted:What? It's not cannon, but in the EU only two ships have been invisible before, outside of the EU no ship had ever been invisible, besides what Harkin thinks E: also technology changes a lot in 30 years.
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I think I'm gonna wait until I get home to continue none of my posts are going through and I probably seem all over the place because my posts keep getting eaten.
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IronicDongz posted:but it's not like they're hiding in their downed ships, he pulled her literally all the way back to the base in front of them Nobody died due to the laser it just cracked open the door by which time they had escaped. There are only a handful of resistance members left it's probably best to be focusing on their survival not to be meaninglessly sacrificing them like Finn was going to do. Honestly the nitpicks in this godawful thread are getting really tenuous now
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Dec 30, 2017 03:09
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Turtlicious posted:There are 2 ships in the universe shown to turn invisible. Darth Mails and Harkins, no one else can do it. So cloaking must have dual meaning. Usually the turning invisible thing is just a visual metaphor in sci-fi. In Star Trek, Worf doesn't exactly try to lock-on to a cloaking Romulan ship visually either, those sensors they talk about a ship having, they aren't eyes dude.
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Turtlicious posted:Fin wasn't going to stop the laser Wandle Cax posted:Nobody died due to the laser it just cracked open the door by which time they had escaped. There are only a handful of resistance members left it's probably best to be focusing on their survival not to be meaninglessly sacrificing them like Finn was going to do. Honestly the nitpicks in this godawful thread are getting really tenuous now LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Dec 30, 2017 03:15
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What other movies are praised for being intellectual but you’re also required to release your bowels in the same way as when you watch a Transformers movie?
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It’s too bad they didn’t fire a 2nd volley into the cave and just ended everyone.
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Elissimpark posted:Yeah, but that seems to involve concentration - he's going to have his back turned or sleep or something at some point. And he doesn't seem particularly respected the way Snoke or Vader were. They're a bunch of loving losers who will bend over backwards for whatever darkside user they can get their hands on in the hopes of being the new Empire. Presumably that's how chucklefuck Snoke got control of the outfit out of nowhere, show up and talk tough and do some parlor tricks and they'll build a throne room around you. Hux is the only one who hates Ren and he made it very clear what will happen if he tries to backstab him.
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Dec 30, 2017 03:26
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get this, though. what if we didn't have to presume how snoke got into power? what if a tiny part of these two huge films just, like, established a world.
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Milky Moor posted:get this, though. what if we didn't have to presume how snoke got into power? what if a tiny part of these two huge films just, like, established a world. I've never seen the "OT sucked until we saw Palpatine's rise to power in the PT" take before. Hats off for the bold new interpretation of Star Wars.
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Waffles Inc. posted:Ultimately though what people are really wondering and asking about when they say, "what does Kylo want", they're not asking you what happens in the plot or what he says in the movie I don't even understand why the gently caress does Kylo Ren want to kill Rey. She helps him kill the red guards and accomplish the coup. And why the gently caress does Kylo Ren want to burn everything down anyway? He didn't suffer as a child by his parents or by the "system", there is absolutely no reason for Ren to hate the "old world" that much. It's like Prince Wlliam trying to burn the British Monarchy down. Okay I am down with that idea but why?! None of the Ren's motivation make sense.
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Hodgepodge posted:I've never seen the "OT sucked until we saw Palpatine's rise to power in the PT" take before. Hats off for the bold new interpretation of Star Wars. I don’t actually care about Snoke or his backstory, and think it’s fine that we never learn anything about him, but being dropped into a brand new film “universe” in media res and simply told “this is the emperor, he’s super bad and powerful” is different than a sequel set a very short time after another film where it’s not at all clear how you got from the previous film to this one.
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Hodgepodge posted:I've never seen the "OT sucked until we saw Palpatine's rise to power in the PT" take before. Hats off for the bold new interpretation of Star Wars. it's almost as if there's a world of difference between the first film in a trilogy and the eighth  (disregarding, of course, that ANH does a lot to demonstrate how the empire functions and came to power) Again, this is the Andromeda Defense.
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Milky Moor posted:get this, though. what if we didn't have to presume how snoke got into power? what if a tiny part of these two huge films just, like, established a world. The world building is a really weak part of these movies. The cool thing though is pointing out a weakness in a movie doesn't mean I have to say "oh wow you're right, it's Bad" and stop talking about anything else.
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He wants to control his own destiny and is mad at everyone around him having an agenda for his power. He isn't a slave like Vader was, but he identifies with Vader because of his enslavement. And now he's the master, something Vader never really was. And you're correct, the question is where he goes from there. Does he really want to rule everything? Does he want to just keep tearing things down?
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Milky Moor posted:it's almost as if there's a world of difference between the first film in a trilogy and the eighth I don't really see the difference. e: actually, I do: unlike an audience watching the OT fresh, we have a very good idea of what an evil space wizard can do and we know that Snoke is such an evil space wizard. How an evil space wizard who can read thoughts, kill you with a glance, and stop any conventional weapon managed to take over a fledgling regime built on an ideology of rule through raw power and fear doesn't require much explanation. He embodies their ideology. We've already seen the more interesting version where the evil space wizard takes over an idealistic republic defended by his mortal enemies. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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whatever7 posted:I don't even understand why the gently caress does Kylo Ren want to kill Rey. She helps him kill the red guards and accomplish the coup. Because he asked her out and she responded with "I have a boyfriend" even though she clearly doesn't.
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CelticPredator posted:what the gently caress is harkins https://www.harkins.com
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I'm still really confused by what they did with Finn in this movie. It feels like rather than move his character forward, they literally just ignored his entire TFA arc then do it again. It feels really weird to have a black second lead for your trilogy then basically just kinda make them more comedic than even letting him be a Han Solo type. It's really sad too since I felt he was the most interesting concept in TFA. I'm also confused by bringing back Phasma just to do nothing with her. If you're not going to do anything with her they should have just killed her off in TFA.
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I mean you spend weeks snapchatting with a girl flirting/getting closer maybe hanging out with a group of friends then you make your move and she’s like, “Well I don’t like you like THAT.”
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Forcechatting.
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Gorelab posted:I'm still really confused by what they did with Finn in this movie. It feels like rather than move his character forward, they literally just ignored his entire TFA arc then do it again. It feels really weird to have a black second lead for your trilogy then basically just kinda make them more comedic than even letting him be a Han Solo type. It's really sad too since I felt he was the most interesting concept in TFA. They did do something with Phasma: she's a target board for Finn so he can go through his growth from TFA all over again at her expense. Most people are too busy falling all over themselves to present Holdo as a positive role instead. Unlike Phasma, she died killing a bunch of Nazis as part of Leia spurring someone else's growth.
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tfw you die for someone else's character development and don't even get to be a force ghost
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fivegears4reverse posted:They did do something with Phasma: she's a target board for Finn so he can go through his growth from TFA all over again at her expense. It's pretty funny, really. Phasma is there to move Finn along his path. Holdo does that for Poe. Leia spends most of the film in a coma. Even Rey is really just there for Ren to have the opportunity to kill Snoke. Strong Female Characters.
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fivegears4reverse posted:They did do something with Phasma: she's a target board for Finn so he can go through his growth from TFA all over again at her expense. Finn's "redemption" is so loving terrible. He's goes through the same beats he went through in TFA, fails with the casino arc, then gets near executed, *WAVES HANDS AROUND* and then he gets to deliver his  "Rebel scum" line.It's completed unearned and so clearly written with everything magically happening around him so he can deliver that line it's honestly insulting.
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Milky Moor posted:It's pretty funny, really. Phasma is there to move Finn along his path. Holdo does that for Poe. Leia spends most of the film in a coma. Even Rey is really just there for Ren to have the opportunity to kill Snoke. This is a bizarre read on Rey. Gorelab posted:I'm still really confused by what they did with Finn in this movie. It feels like rather than move his character forward, they literally just ignored his entire TFA arc then do it again. It feels really weird to have a black second lead for your trilogy then basically just kinda make them more comedic than even letting him be a Han Solo type. It's really sad too since I felt he was the most interesting concept in TFA. It really feels like once they decided to ram Oscar Isaac into this trilogy they immediately jettisoned their plans for the black lead.
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Tender Bender posted:This is a bizarre read on Rey. In your mind, revisit the throne room scene. Replace Rey with, I don't know, Kylo Ren's favorite kitten that has location of Luke Skywalker etched into its collar. The kitten's name is Meowlo. How does the scene change? Which parts of that scene depend on Rey-the-character doing things, having her flaws used against her, and so on? How does Rey change as a consequence of this scene going forwards? The lightsaber Rey brings to the confrontation does more than she does. If you think Rey does anything in that scene beyond existing as a prop for Snoke to interact with and for Ren to use as a way to kill Snoke then you have imagined false memories of the film. And this is really quite odd given that the whole film was building to this confrontation, only for Rey to essentially serve as a prop.
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I feel like Finn was supposed to have an arc where he didn't give a poo poo about being a Rebel and was only interested in making sure Rey was safe, and then they cut most of that out and put the suicide run thing in there
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Milky Moor posted:In your mind, revisit the throne room scene. Replace Rey with, I don't know, Kylo Ren's favorite kitten that has location of Luke Skywalker etched into its collar. The kitten's name is Meowlo. Why would I go through that thought exercise instead of thinking about the movie as a whole?
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The other thread has an interesting take on Rey.
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Hodgepodge posted:The other thread has an interesting take on Rey. What is it?
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spacetoaster posted:What is it? Rey and Kylo Ren having sex. I posited that despite Kylo Ren being a psycho he'd still cuddle with Rey afterwards. I dunno, he just looks like a cuddler 
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