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spacetoaster posted:What is it? Rey is seducing Kylo to the dark side and away from wanting to be a closet pure sexless Jedi because she is completely comfortable in herself and Kylo kills Snoke and wants to run away with her because he is seduced and wants to gently caress her bad.
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Just saw it again. I think most people who had problems with it should too. Because it's good to process everything when you know it's coming. But, lol @ Rey getting sucked into the literal black rear end in a top hat of the dark side.
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I am the guy in ESB who inoffensively says "Yes Sir" to my boss when he says he doesnt need outside help, that is, bounty hunter scum while they are standing there. I am also the guy who lazily presses the shield button when my boss tells me "Shield's up". I am also the ridiculous amount and type of garbage that gets ejected before any hyperspace jump.
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What, you don't throw large structural parts from your car before going on a road trip?
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Steve Yun posted:What, you don't throw large structural parts from your car before going on a road trip? Our bodies are the star destroyers, the bacteria within them are the imperial officers. I always defecate before long drives, as should we all
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When Rey and Kylo finally do gently caress in Episode X it's going to be hot as poo poo the touching fingers scene almost made me cum in the theater no lie
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Dec 30, 2017 09:26
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BarronsArtGallery posted:When Rey and Kylo finally do gently caress in Episode X it's going to be hot as poo poo Is it going to be OT style slow banging or PT style yodaflip speed banging?
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Wank posted:I am the guy in ESB who inoffensively says "Yes Sir" to my boss when he says he doesnt need outside help, that is, bounty hunter scum while they are standing there. gently caress off. You're none of those things.
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CelticPredator posted:People who hate this movie are real bad. 
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I played one youtuber review of TLJ and youtube just start auto playing TLJ videos. Frankly I haven't come across 1 single position review. Even the video with an Asian girl thumbnail on it dunk on the TLJ from great height. Can somebody explain to me how can the (professional) critics score be so high? Do they just automatically ignore plot holes in a scifi movie because they are not "nerds" and plot holes don't matter to them? Or did they all receive reviewer baskets from Disney?
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whatever7 posted:I played one youtuber review of TLJ and youtube just start auto playing TLJ videos. Frankly I haven't come across 1 single position review. Even the video with an Asian girl thumbnail on it dunk on the TLJ from great height. Critics reviews can differ wildly from the viewing audience for a number of reasons, and happens more ofthen than you'd think. Bright is the latest film where critics panned it and audience loved it.
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whatever7 posted:I played one youtuber review of TLJ and youtube just start auto playing TLJ videos. Frankly I haven't come across 1 single position review. Even the video with an Asian girl thumbnail on it dunk on the TLJ from great height. The term “plot hole” needs to die Films are not a documentary wherein there are omitted facts being hidden from you. Perhaps the good reviews are because the person enjoyed the movie
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On the other hand, if you truly expect a Star Wars film to be reviewed poorly then you're a bit naive. Solo might be the exception -- but Disney's been setting up the narrative that the film is a garbage fire with horrible actors and so on for months now, though, soooo...
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Milky Moor posted:On the other hand, if you truly expect a Star Wars film to be reviewed poorly then you're a bit naive. There were so much politic played in the production. Sith Kathleen Kennedy already washed her hands off it. They might as well release it in January.
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Milky Moor posted:On the other hand, if you truly expect a Star Wars film to be reviewed poorly then you're a bit naive. Err, the prequels don't count?
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McCloud posted:Err, the prequels don't count? They got decent critical reviews, as far as I remember.
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I think the question is more why Youtubers are reviewing it poorly, and it's basically that this film has generated nerd rage for a few reasons (blaspheming against space Jesus, having Rey not be space royalty, expecting the audience to draw some simple inferences etc).
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Waffles Inc. posted:The term “plot hole” needs to die I always loved this quote from Roger Ebert about High Tension quote:I am tempted at this point to issue a Spoiler Warning and engage in discussion of several crucial events in the movie that would seem to be physically, logically and dramatically impossible, but clever viewers will be able to see for themselves that the movie's plot has a hole that is not only large enough to drive a truck through, but in fact does have a truck driven right through it.
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I thought it was kind of funny that the BBC ran an article on The Last Jedi with the headline asking "Is this the most divisive movie ever?" when Birth of a Nation literally brought back the Ku Klux Klan.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I thought it was kind of funny that the BBC ran an article on The Last Jedi with the headline asking "Is this the most divisive movie ever?" when Birth of a Nation literally brought back the Ku Klux Klan. Birth of a Nation has 100% on the tomatometer, I think I'm starting to see the problem with critics.
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A lot criticism nowdays is to come up with ways to make fun of something or put something down and then get your friends together point and say something is stupid so you can bond together. Cause it's a thing with people and a lot of critics make their bucks on youtube and such doing that. Its somehow acceptable not to actually look at a piece of work and dissect it but just to look at surface level tone or such, express how poo poo something is, and then consider it strange when different interpretations or in depth look is presented that's counter to what someone felt and call them weirdos instead of studying the material. Woden posted:Birth of a Nation has 100% on the tomatometer, I think I'm starting to see the problem with critics. How do you mean? There's a genuine historical context and contribution there. The message is not good, it's wake has not been good, but examining it shouldn't be a problem. Same thing with Song of the South. There's problems, yes, but what impact it had and as its own work should be understood. Gatts fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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YouTube is the internet, except with the intellectual burden of participation of watching TV. It's also the future of the internet, because a typical child now becomes familiar with it before they learn to speak. This is good news... for comedy websites predicated on the internet being really dumb 
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BarronsArtGallery posted:But, lol @ Rey getting sucked into the literal black rear end in a top hat of the dark side. The whole dark side cave sequence in this movie was really pointless and unimpressive
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Waffles Inc. posted:The term “plot hole” needs to die The youtube hot takes are the worst loving thing as well, because I've barely seen any criticism and a million "Luke was my hero and he did a thing I didn't like"
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think the question is more why Youtubers are reviewing it poorly, and it's basically that this film has generated nerd rage for a few reasons (blaspheming against space Jesus, having Rey not be space royalty, expecting the audience to draw some simple inferences etc). That's a strawman. Most of the negative reviews I saw don't mind Rey not being space royalty, drawing some simple interferences or whatever else you try to come up with to make negative reviews sound like they were all created by angry nerds (those surely exist too but let's not act like they are reponsible for the "backlash"). The core of the critical voices is more in regards to a lack of world creation/consistency, a lack of character development (or contradicting character actions, retreating old ground etc.), a plot that goes nowhere (we are once again where we started) and so on. I think there are a lot of valid reasons for criticism and to me it seems like the "professional" critics got blinded by the prettiness of the movie and maybe with a movie like Star Wars there is nowadays the "IGN"-Problem that plagues games in effect, ie a big movie with the right buzz will get positives reviews just like big games. TLJ ist overall still a decent (SciFi) movie and that's enough to get positive reviews but imo it is a disappointment for a Star Wars movie. ShineDog posted:The youtube hot takes are the worst loving thing as well, because I've barely seen any criticism and a million "Luke was my hero and he did a thing I didn't like" Come on guys, it's more like "Luke's character is inconsistent with what we know of him and the explaination giving for his actions in this movie really weren't adequate". I know CD has this obsession to enjoy the suffering of (SW) nerds but even I can share this sentiment and I'm not a super fan of Star Wars. Luke's whole story in TLJ felt wrong. I think it could have been done successfully with some more care but the way they did it was just sloppy and there is a reason why people didn't really feel emotional about his death (it doesn't even come close to the Luke/Vader scene in ROTJ, it's more like Kirk in the Next Generation movie). LinkesAuge fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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LinYutang posted:The whole
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whatever7 posted:I played one youtuber review of TLJ and youtube just start auto playing TLJ videos. Frankly I haven't come across 1 single position review. Even the video with an Asian girl thumbnail on it dunk on the TLJ from great height. I think it's because critics tend to review films from a stand-a-lone or episodic film perspective. So a lot of things that are jarring to us because of continuity issues or mismatching tone carried over from previous films, are glossed over or ignored. Like if you saw TLJ in isolation and took everything at face value, then you would probably have a different perspective of the following: -First Order somehow controls everything again -Phasma escaping the trash compactor from Starkiller base -Finn and Rose -Finn's development -Everything about Luke including considering murdering his nephew in his sleep and deus ex machina -Floating Leia -Weaponized hyperspace -Rey's parentage -Snoke -Kylo Ren's motivations -Casino planet theDOWmustflow fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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theDOWmustflow posted:I think it's because critics tend to review films from a stand-a-lone or episodic film perspective. So a lot of things that are jarring to us because of continuity issues or mismatching tone carried over from previous films, are glossed over or ignored. Are they ignored or simply not cared about?
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Waffles Inc. posted:The term “plot hole” needs to die Oh my god
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Mandrel posted:Oh my god You think that the reviewers who liked it...didn’t like it?
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Luke's character throughout the movies has been overestimating himself and his ability to help, acting impetuously, loving everything up, and then having to go through Herculean efforts to fix it. I mean, the guy was successfully taunted into striking out at Palpatine in the last 30 minutes of RotJ. Saying Luke isn't impulsive makes me wonder when you last watched the originals.
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Luke has definitely never been shown to get frustrated and then give up on anything prior to TLJ -- not his attempts to get Owen to let him join the academy, not lifting an x-wing out of the muck, definitely not his Jedi training. I can see how your average Star Wars fan would be very frustrated with Luke's change in character in TLJ.
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The other side of that cave of darkness rear end in a top hat was so underwhelming I literally can't remember what's in it after 1 week. Can somebody refresh my memory?
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whatever7 posted:The other side of that cave of darkness rear end in a top hat was so underwhelming I literally can't remember what's in it after 1 week. Can somebody refresh my memory? Rey falls into a pool of water and then approaches a mirror wall, when she touches it we shift perspective a bit and get a voiceover of her relating what happened to Kylo So what she perceives is she was cloned a lot, each clone existing fractions of a second prior to one another and she eventually asks the mirror to show her who her parents are, two mirror shadows merge into a reflection of her
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Just saw it again. I think most people who had problems with it should too. Because it's good to process everything when you know it's coming. I haven’t seen it twice yet but I liked it a lot and plan to. While TFA was disliked more over time, I feel like TLJ will be liked more overtime. A lot of critiques have nothing to do with what I find important in movies: themes, motifs, cinematography. I think TLJ brings a lot of fresh ideas which people will see overtime.
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Waffles Inc. posted:Rey falls into a pool of water and then approaches a mirror wall, when she touches it we shift perspective a bit and get a voiceover of her relating what happened to Kylo Has anybody come up with explanation of these poo poo or they are Ryan Johnson trolling?
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CelticPredator posted:People who hate this movie are real bad. Is it possible to dislike this movie and have it not be out of reverence for the previous films? In fact the stuff the film does out of convention of the Star Wars universe is the most fun and interesting, but it only really half-commits to it. Of course it can only half-commit to it because at the end of the day its a Star Wars movie and they need to keep the premise going. Luke wants to get rid of the Jedi orthodoxy, very good, Yoda does it for him...except Rey has the books on the ship at the end anyway. It encapsulates how closely it approaches doing something new, but has to walk back to core elements of Star Wars films. What was *most* shocking about this movie though is how little it felt like it was made by committee, like the Marvel films or something. TFA was that, that was clearly a film put together with previously decided upon plot beats and sequences. Every part of that film was put in front of a board meeting and greenlit or not. It was very safe. The Last Jedi, though, feels like the first draft of a script. There's really cool elements in there, but it veers wildly in different directions and doesn't always hold together. And I just didn't have too much fun with it. There are a few things which may have worked for others but didn't work for me. I couldn't square away having a nail-biting ship chase along with the casino planet adventure - it undermines all of the stakes involved in the nail-biting ship chase.
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