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Jobbo_Fett posted:Reading up on shipping losses during WW2 and came across Wow, this must have been a lot of the inspiration for “Life of Pi”
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MrMojok posted:Wow, this must have been a lot of the inspiration for “Life of Pi” My favorite part of Life of Pi is just how many Richard Parkers get lost at sea.
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drgitlin posted:At the same time, engineers are disproportionately likely to be creationists and anti-vaxxers compared to every other STEM discipline. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Salem_Hypothesis I'm not seeing any data on that page, just a few anecdotes on a wiki. Tunicate fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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The Big Red One had Kasserine, with infantry getting literally overrun in thier holes by panzers and such. Looks like Sniper Elite 3 also has a KP mission, but that's somewhat less likely to be "historical".
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I remember Ken Burns' WW2 in colour taking up Kasserine Pass, which made a big impression on younger me. You could literally hear the surprise and pain all over again in the US veterans who related participating in the pass battle itself.
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oXDemosthenesXo posted:Also, what parts of it are bullshit? I've read through them but nothing jumped out at me as totally false. Oh, nothing egregious, just sea-story type stuff, like the Spanish at the Battle of Manila Bay firing miles over the heads of the US fleet; in actuality the US fleet opened fire beyond the range of the Spanish, the Spanish rounds fell short until the US closed the range. And things like "It is because the chemical elements of Altair are different, and in their burning give off differently colored flames," or the bit about catching a shark by hooking a remora, letting it attach itself to a shark, and then hauling in both. And you're definitely not getting "pure white silver" from scraping a copper-sheathed keel, no matter how long it's been sitting in the ocean. Stuff like that.
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Phanatic posted:the bit about catching a shark by hooking a remora, letting it attach itself to a shark, and then hauling in both. stupid but true http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/279716
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drat missed holiday fascist chat. Re: the prevalence of DDay in cinema: it’s the same reason the battle of the bulge is also over represented. They’re iconic battles that were both celebrated at the time and in post war commemoration and they really easily fit a cookie cutter dramatic plot: first act where you establish the human stories of the characters a d do some background buildup, second where everything goes to hell and ultimate success looks in doubt, third where the good guys prevail and the human dramas established earlier are resolved (who dies who makes a noble sacrifice etc). Could you make a good K Pass movie? Yeah but the historical drama doesn’t fit quite as well and it’s no longer a cultural landmark. You would need to do a lot more world building to clue the audience in and lean WAY more heavily on “survival / halting the Nazi advance is a good enough victory.” Even Bulge movies get to be triumphalist at the end as hitlers minions are sent scurrying back into their homeland. A halter advance and tactical withdrawal into worthless desert pending years more of grinding conflict doesn’t have the same dramatic umph. You would pretty much have to make it about one guy learning to be a soldier or becoming a vet or just surviving. Basically the plot of Starship Troopers only played straight . . . Which is basically every WW2 film made during it immediately after the war. I’m not Bataan would play well today. Again, not saying it’s impossible but it would take a clever script and a clever director and it’s so much easier to just plug and play easy tropes for a quick box office buck. Dunkirk is proof (kinda) that it can happen but there is a lot working against it. Even Dunkirk benefits by still resonating as a cultural touchstone in the UK. My personal dream is a mildly surrealist movie set against the fighting in Attu and Kiska but lol that’s never happening.
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Nebakenezzer posted:I want this not only because it is a good idea but because of the rage it would cause in engineering faculties Thanks for the offer to post them, but I'd like to check out blogspot first to see if I can get it posted easily enough. If it's too much work I'd be happy to have you post it though. Also I 100% agree with engineers needing more comprehensive education beyond the technical knowledge we need for jobs. The school I went to made everyone take a handful of classes outside of the math/science/engineering curriculum and all of my classmates bitched about it nonstop. I think I was the only one who took those history and writing classes seriously. Phanatic posted:Oh, nothing egregious, just sea-story type stuff, like the Spanish at the Battle of Manila Bay firing miles over the heads of the US fleet; in actuality the US fleet opened fire beyond the range of the Spanish, the Spanish rounds fell short until the US closed the range. And things like "It is because the chemical elements of Altair are different, and in their burning give off differently colored flames," or the bit about catching a shark by hooking a remora, letting it attach itself to a shark, and then hauling in both. And you're definitely not getting "pure white silver" from scraping a copper-sheathed keel, no matter how long it's been sitting in the ocean. Oh ok gotcha, those things being bullshit make sense. The part that romanticized the crews of that battle vs the lazy and disheveled WWII crew made me laugh pretty hard too.
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Ainsley McTree posted:Is there some sort of playbook that they all read where they learn to do this, or do they all just figure it out independently? Because it's so strikingly common, as someone who makes the mistake of reading twitter
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Phanatic posted:And you're definitely not getting "pure white silver" from scraping a copper-sheathed keel, no matter how long it's been sitting in the ocean. That one jumped out at me because I was all "WHY AM I NOT DOING THIS"
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Phanatic posted:Oh, nothing egregious, just sea-story type stuff, like the Spanish at the Battle of Manila Bay firing miles over the heads of the US fleet; in actuality the US fleet opened fire beyond the range of the Spanish, the Spanish rounds fell short until the US closed the range. And things like "It is because the chemical elements of Altair are different, and in their burning give off differently colored flames," or the bit about catching a shark by hooking a remora, letting it attach itself to a shark, and then hauling in both. And you're definitely not getting "pure white silver" from scraping a copper-sheathed keel, no matter how long it's been sitting in the ocean. Could the "pure white silver" refer to salt crystallizing on the keel?
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Libluini posted:Could the "pure white silver" refer to salt crystallizing on the keel? COMBAT was trying to claim you can harvest the silver directly: COMBAT posted:Soft racket department: somehow manage to acquire a ship Which does seem pretty dubious now that Phanatic mentions it.
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In this installment we get an outdated anthropology lesson, some casual racism, and some war stories. COMBAT DOPE SHEET #11 Palau Islands  COMBAT posted:STEAMING RIGHT INTO THE WATERS SURROUNDING THE PALAU ISLANDS is
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Milo and POTUS posted:Not knowing much about the battle or even the theater, what's this mean? Soldiers are almost universally depicted in movies as being way, way older than they were in reality. Saving Private Ryan is a really good example, the grunts should be like 18-20 years old with Hanks' character maybe 23 or 24. It's true of almost every war movie out there; I think Dunkirk was mostly better about it though.
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MANime in the sheets posted:Soldiers are almost universally depicted in movies as being way, way older than they were in reality. Saving Private Ryan is a really good example, the grunts should be like 18-20 years old with Hanks' character maybe 23 or 24. It's true of almost every war movie out there; I think Dunkirk was mostly better about it though. It makes me think of this from the prologue to Slaughterhouse Five, which I didn't really appreciate when I first read it as a squeaky 17-year old (at most), but I think about more and more every year. It's maybe the truest commentary that's ever been made about war fiction, and thinking about it, I can't think of too many war movies that accurately depict soldiers as squeaky 17 year olds who lied about their age, which by contrast is something you encounter constantly in nonfiction accounts of war Kurt Vonnegut posted:I met his nice wife, Mary, to whom I dedicate this book. I dedicate it to Gerhard Muller, the Dresden taxi driver, too. Mary O'Hare is a trained nurse, which is a lovely thing for a woman to be.
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i've been making the joke for years that it was crazy that tom hanks and ted danson, the two oldest captains in the ETO, met somewhere in normandy
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bewbies posted:i've been making the joke for years that it was crazy that tom hanks and ted danson, the two oldest captains in the ETO, met somewhere in normandy gently caress, I forgot ted danson was in that
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MANime in the sheets posted:Soldiers are almost universally depicted in movies as being way, way older than they were in reality. Saving Private Ryan is a really good example, the grunts should be like 18-20 years old with Hanks' character maybe 23 or 24. It's true of almost every war movie out there; I think Dunkirk was mostly better about it though. Call of Duty: World at War was unintentionally funny with this. Sgt. Roebuck ruminates in one of the cutscenes that the "old guard" like him are barely in their 20s, but he has the face and voice of a man around 35. Sullivan, the tough commanding officer who dies in the second mission, is supposed to be no older than 29. This is how he looks: 
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chitoryu12 posted:Call of Duty: World at War was unintentionally funny with this. Sgt. Roebuck ruminates in one of the cutscenes that the "old guard" like him are barely in their 20s, but he has the face and voice of a man around 35. Sullivan, the tough commanding officer who dies in the second mission, is supposed to be no older than 29. This is how he looks: lol That kinda works for some german soldiers in '44 and '45 I guess, but aside from maybe the stereotypical army NCO lifer... Matt Damon probably could have done a realistic job as the captain in SPR instead of Hanks, but I wonder if wider audiences would have bought/accepted an appropriately-aged cast. Also I had no idea rhat Danson was in it; I just never thought about it; but I know exactly where he is in the movie now.
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MANime in the sheets posted:
Nathan Fillion has a bit role in it as well! (I’ll let you all take a guess, I only figured it out after someone told me) though at least he looks age-appropriate. Speaking of movie chat, is there any movie that gets combined-arms fighting right? The end fighting sequence of SPR is well known for how in-accurate it is (open top self propelled artillery are used in close combat!). In fact, due to how rare the equipment is I can’t think of many WWII era films post 1960s that make heavy use of tanks or armored vehicles.
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Remulak posted:Yeah, a big part of that problem is that engineers are poorly educated, it's like a trade school where they skip way too much of the liberal arts background required to be truly open of mind. I'm a bit odd (for many reasons) but nearly finished most of a philosophy degree before changing to EE, and the liberal arts core curriculum gave me a way of seeing the world that most engineers miss out on. It sucks and I don't know how to fix it. I learned everything I need to know about how the world works from Kundu and Cohen, thank you very much. Ensign Expendable fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Nathan Fillion has a bit role in it as well! (I’ll let you all take a guess, I only figured it out after someone told me) though at least he looks age-appropriate. Why, he was the title character! 
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MANime in the sheets posted:Soldiers are almost universally depicted in movies as being way, way older than they were in reality. Saving Private Ryan is a really good example, the grunts should be like 18-20 years old with Hanks' character maybe 23 or 24. It's true of almost every war movie out there; I think Dunkirk was mostly better about it though. Huh, I thought the average age of the combat soldier in WW2 was fairly high at least compared to later conflicts especially vietnam
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Milo and POTUS posted:Huh, I thought the average age of the combat soldier in WW2 was fairly high at least compared to later conflicts especially vietnam Only later in the war, and even then only countries that were running low on young warm bodies, at least in Europe. I can't comment on Japan or China. Im not saying nobody over 25 carried a rifle for the US, but the vast majority were quite young.
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Going back to the 2nd Sino-Japanese war for a second: Did we ever definitively figure out how the Marco-Polo bridge incident happened? From what little I know, we're pretty sure it wasn't staged by Tokyo, but it probably wasn't entirely an accident, either. I've always assumed some dudes near the border did it on purpose and claimed China shot first, then Japan just sorta went with it since it was as good an excuse as any to sieze more of China. The way Japan wasn't ready to launch an all-out invasion the next morning like Germany was with the 'Polish attack' on the radio station, but using a small firefight as an excuse to launch a full-scale invasion seems sketchy, especially since they used almost the exact same thing as an excuse for grabbing Manchuria.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Huh, I thought the average age of the combat soldier in WW2 was fairly high at least compared to later conflicts especially Vietnam Just a bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRJFvtvTGEk
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Nathan Fillion has a bit role in it as well! (I’ll let you all take a guess, I only figured it out after someone told me) though at least he looks age-appropriate. The main problem is that putting things on a screen for a person to follow means putting things a lot closer together than they were IRL. Fury goes for the 'conga line behind a tank' which was more of a thing for staged photos than real combat(in reality, those guys would've been crawling in the dirt behind smoke with the tanks sitting back), but realism would be far less cinematic. I suppose it's sort of like how much more ~awesome looking~ it is for the pikemen in alatriste to stand shoulder to shoulder.
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Panzeh posted:The main problem is that putting things on a screen for a person to follow means putting things a lot closer together than they were IRL. Fury goes for the 'conga line behind a tank' which was more of a thing for staged photos than real combat(in reality, those guys would've been crawling in the dirt behind smoke with the tanks sitting back), but realism would be far less cinematic. I do feel like that attack should have ended with 4 burning Shermans. But then it should have started with half an hour of mortar and artillery and airstrikes on the edge of the woods.
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Alchenar posted:I do feel like that attack should have ended with 4 burning Shermans. lol, nah. At least one of them had a 76mm which was more than capable of taking out a Tiger, and at the range depicted I think the 75 was ok against those dumb flat slabs of armor on the Tiger. I think one of them might have been a Jumbo, too. It should have ended with one ambushed dead sherman and one extremely dead Tiger that shouldn't have fired on 4 enemy tanks in the first place. edit: never mind, i thought you were talking about the silly tiger battle near the end. FishFood fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Realism aside I thought it was cool that Fury was focused on tanks. The town battle, tree line attack, and tank battle were all different from the usual so I was pretty disappointed when the rest of the movie was a generic last stand fight against enemy hordes
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FastestGunAlive posted:Realism aside I thought it was cool that Fury was focused on tanks. The town battle, tree line attack, and tank battle were all different from the usual so I was pretty disappointed when the rest of the movie was a generic last stand fight against enemy hordes They should have had the King Tiger set out to avenge the death of one of its subjects and have a duel with Fury
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FastestGunAlive posted:Realism aside I thought it was cool that Fury was focused on tanks. The town battle, tree line attack, and tank battle were all different from the usual so I was pretty disappointed when the rest of the movie was a generic last stand fight against enemy hordes Yeah, mechanized forces in ww2, despite being one of the defining aspects of the war, get very little play in media.
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Panzeh posted:Yeah, mechanized forces in ww2, despite being one of the defining aspects of the war, get very little play in media. Also the naval war. The Battle Off Samar deserves a good movie.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Huh, I thought the average age of the combat soldier in WW2 was fairly high at least compared to later conflicts especially vietnam HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Panzeh posted:I suppose it's sort of like how much more ~awesome looking~ it is for the pikemen in alatriste to stand shoulder to shoulder this blogger goes into that sort of thing a bunch, things like costuming a character who's supposed to be innocent and childlike in pale pink which works perfectly for a 21st century audience but in the italian renaissance pale colors meant you couldn't afford darker dyes http://www.exurbe.com/?p=2176 although she's wrong where she says nobody would watch an absolutely period-correct thing, i'd watch that bitch till my eyeballs bled and you would too HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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I endorse Cyrano's suggestion for an Attu and Kiska movie, they could call it "What The gently caress Are We Even Doing Here, Seriously"
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Haven't read the thread in months, goes for Last Read Post, slips over to Last Page. FFFFFFffffffffone browsing!! Any particularly good discussions I should look out back for? 
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anti_strunt posted:Haven't read the thread in months, goes for Last Read Post, slips over to Last Page. FFFFFFffffffffone browsing!! Any particularly good discussions I should look out back for? Yeah combat dope sheets are extremely good
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