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BRing back haste but at level 8 Rename barachians hopgoblins dart slugs are dart sluts gowb fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Tollymain posted:Pizzas as powerful single-use buffs and restoratives would be loving amazing not gonna lie. Comedy option: Nemelex is now god of pizza. Which slice will you bite into first? I'd really appreciate changing chunks to, like, samosas or rou jia mo or gyros or BLTs or something. I don't care if it doesn't make sense that a storm dragon is carrying 6 BLTs and a samosa, that's preferable to the disgusting image of constantly eating the raw meat of intelligent creatures you've butchered. I appreciate that's an aesthetic change that's probably not so important to others, though. I remember reading years ago a comment someone made in the days of contaminated chunks that one of the good reasons to keep centaur chunks clean was the vindictive feeling of eating that fucker after he shot you up with arrows. Heithinn Grasida fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Dec 30, 2017 16:41
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Heithinn Grasida posted:Honestly, I'd really appreciate changing chunks to, like, samosas or rou jia mo or gyros or BLTs or something. I don't care if it doesn't make sense that a storm dragon is carrying 6 BLTs and a samosa, that's preferable to the disgusting image of constantly eating the raw meat of intelligent creatures you've butchered. I appreciate that's an aesthetic change that's probably not so important to others, though. I remember reading years ago a comment someone made in the days of contaminated chunks that one of the good reasons to keep centaur chunks clean was the vindictive feeling of eating that fucker after he shot you up with arrows. i always play hill orcs these days so i justify it as eating the flesh of my enemies to absorb their power
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Dec 30, 2017 16:43
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gowb posted:BRing back haste but at level 8 Haste sucked. It was only fun because it was so strong. I used to love it, and I did really get a rush at finding haste and learning it. But the spell was really bland. Nerfing it would only make it worse, since it would make the excitement of the big power boost available to fewer characters if you pushed it to a higher level or just straight up less exciting if you made it weaker. When the spell was removed from the book of wizardry and became much rarer, it didn't become more interesting. I think it should either come back as a boring spell that's fun from a strict, my numbers went way up, perspective, or it should stay gone. But maybe I'm just saying that because bringing back haste would stop me from writing cool spells to replace it. Heithinn Grasida fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Dec 30, 2017 17:06
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Heithinn Grasida posted:Honestly, I'd really appreciate changing chunks to, like, samosas or rou jia mo or gyros or BLTs or something. I don't care if it doesn't make sense that a storm dragon is carrying 6 BLTs and a samosa, that's preferable to the disgusting image of constantly eating the raw meat of intelligent creatures you've butchered.
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Dec 30, 2017 17:34
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Yeah and they don't even have the decency to tin it first!!!
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Dec 30, 2017 17:45
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Heithinn Grasida posted:Honestly Haste sucked. It was only fun because it was so strong. I used to love it, and I did really get a rush at finding haste and learning it. But the spell was really bland. Nerfing it would only make it worse, since it would make the excitement of the big power boost available to fewer characters if you pushed it to a higher level or just straight up less exciting if you made it weaker. When the spell was removed from the book of wizardry and became much rarer, it didn't become more interesting. I think it should either come back as a boring spell that's fun from a strict, my numbers went way up, perspective, or it should stay gone. But maybe I'm just saying that because bringing back haste would stop me from writing cool spells to replace it. Recast it as an ultimate Hex/Charm Time Stop. For the next 3-6 auts you are still able to perform actions but none in your LOS can. Moving makes everything move relative to you, allowing you to do silly things like have them collide into walls (then each other) or setting up foes to be standing over deep water/lava. I'd love for damage to be wait until after time starts up and then be dealt all at once (giving indication that the enemy you struck is going to die) but that might be tricky to code. Casting the spell and moving sends Gong-level sound or more through the level and you're going to be Exhausted afterward (shouldering the burden of time is hard work).
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Dec 30, 2017 18:06
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On pizza: add an unrand shield called the pandemonium pizza. While equipped, you have no food clock (or perhaps you gain a bit of satiation every time you block?) On spells: I really think spells are way way more fun in Hellcrawl than trunk. When gooncrawl comes out and I play it I'll play melee dudes because otherwise it'll feel like a step back. Permabuffs and removing conjurations really did a ton of good imo. On chunks: Making enemies all drop random extremely silly foods would be a good step in the right direction of whimsicality
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Dec 30, 2017 19:08
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Charms/Translocations spell for hybrids, Void Cutter On next melee attack, slice all enemies in straight line in the direction of attack, ignores evasion (and AC?), damage based on weapon skill with your wielded weapon, range based on spellpower Video: https://youtu.be/z1XJYxdXDyg Tarezax fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Dec 30, 2017 22:29
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Time Stop would be cool for a lot of reasons, but my inner Vorthos says that Chei should hate it. Slowing down to enjoy the world is good. Making the world stop so you can do a bunch of things at once? Boooo.
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Dec 30, 2017 22:49
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Heithinn Grasida posted:Summoning is superior to long blades or conjuration by it's fundamental mechanics irrespective of the specifics of any of the spells because it provides defense, offense and utility simultaneously. I think that's the fundamental motivation behind the penalty and I don't think it's completely misguided. Conjurations also provides defense, offense, and utility simultaneously, because it kills things immediately, often en masse, and can sometimes actually create environmental hazards or NPCs to hide behind. "Summoning is the strongest skill" is a meme on the level of "poison magic is super powerful early". In reality, we know that the endgame powerhouses are firestormers, not dragoncallers, because summoning magic is weird and fiddly and has long since had the nerfs required to bring it in line with other skills (caps on monsters per spell, the inability of your monsters to attack anything you're not looking at, etc). Even if summoning was better than other skills, which it definitely isn't at this point, countering that with an XP penalty is stupid. Why don't kills with a triple sword yield less xp than kills with a greatsword? Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Dec 30, 2017 22:57
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PMush Perfect posted:Time Stop would be cool for a lot of reasons, but my inner Vorthos says that Chei should hate it. Slowing down to enjoy the world is good. Making the world stop so you can do a bunch of things at once? Boooo. Chei is about Taking it Easy, not freezing everyone in place so you can flit about like a busy bee.
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Dec 30, 2017 23:10
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Time Stop could be a spell that gives you a few turns of action, but since everything besides you and the items on your person is also frozen in time it is impossible to attack monsters, open doors, pick up items from the floor, animate corpses, etc for the duration.
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Dec 30, 2017 23:20
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...so a more wordy blink?
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Dec 30, 2017 23:45
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That's kind of what I was trying to avoid with making a Haste replacement basically Translocation Except You Can Only Move Into Free Spaces. It becomes only an escape tool which isn't very interesting when compared to already existing options.
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Dec 31, 2017 00:24
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World Famous W posted:...so a more wordy blink? You could also drink potions, read scrolls, swap equipment, cast other spells on yourself, etc. If you're on low life and staring down the barrel of a bunch of smite-capable demons or something, 1d4 turns in which to guzzle heal wounds or create and then back through clouds of smoke could be a lifesaver.
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Dec 31, 2017 01:35
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You'd probably have to disable MP regen during the time stop or there'd be ways to chain it forever (or explicitly disable chaining)
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Dec 31, 2017 01:39
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It could just give you contam like every other spell they don't want you casting repeatedly
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Dec 31, 2017 02:03
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Posting the pizza survey again, I'm looking at closing it tomorrow afternoon (unless voting is super shallow, in which case I'll keep the survey open longer but potentially kick pizza to the next release): https://goo.gl/forms/GMe31x8ZjvOegBRp2
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Dec 31, 2017 03:00
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Please just make a hive-like optional branch called The Infernal Pizzeria
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Dec 31, 2017 03:05
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gently caress that, make it a full Pan plane. It's Pandemonium Pizza, after all.
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Dec 31, 2017 03:34
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tote up a bags posted:Please just make a hive-like optional branch called The Infernal Pizzeria I miss the hive does anyone else?
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Dec 31, 2017 04:18
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The hive except it's all pizza guarded by bees.
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Dec 31, 2017 04:18
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I extremely do not miss the hive
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Dec 31, 2017 04:26
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If Hive has to be brought back it should be as a timed branch I do not particularly want there to be a timed branch full of nothing but killer bees and meliae though
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Dec 31, 2017 04:28
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How about a 
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Dec 31, 2017 04:39
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When pizza comes back will we also see the return of the vault with four turtles, a rat, and a bunch of pizza
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Dec 31, 2017 04:41
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Bring back haste but at level 1
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Dec 31, 2017 05:08
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The only fun thing about Hive was casting ignite poison.
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Dec 31, 2017 05:31
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Internet Kraken posted:The only fun thing about Hive was casting ignite poison. spines demonspawn was fun in there. just a thousand insect murking themslves on you is cool
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Dec 31, 2017 07:51
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BrandorKP posted:The hive except it's all pizza guarded by bees. This is a good plan, I like it. EDIT: Floodkiller please update my pizza vote comment to include this as a requirement and my number 1 choice -- cheetah7071 posted:When pizza comes back will we also see the return of the vault with four turtles, a rat, and a bunch of pizza
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Dec 31, 2017 13:02
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somebody make a pizzeria random floor of Pandemonium, like the disco ball floor or the heaven floor
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Dec 31, 2017 13:52
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cheetah7071 posted:When pizza comes back will we also see the return of the vault with four turtles, a rat, and a bunch of pizza If you can find the name of the vault, then I can probably do this regardless of the outcome of the vote. Edit: I moved all the important wiki documents into the repository (under docs/gooncrawl). This lets me open the wiki for public editing; all you need to do to edit is make a GitHub account. I made a bunch of design pages for stuff that was on the survey, but feel free to add your own pages as well (create a page first, then add a link to it under the Designs subsection by editing the sidebar). Please be respectful and don't get into an edit war over an opinion/idea you dislike (just leave a comment under the opinion/idea about your feedback). If it devolves into vandalism I'll have to look into a wiki solution elsewhere that provides better security/permissions tools, but I would prefer not to have to spend the time to do so at the moment. Floodkiller fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Dec 31, 2017 14:42
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I looked through the commit history and that vault might have been a fever dream, I can't find it
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Dec 31, 2017 19:34
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cheetah7071 posted:I looked through the commit history and that vault might have been a fever dream, I can't find it Are you sure you're not thinking of the bonus level in Nuclear Throne?
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Dec 31, 2017 19:39
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Well, then, write the vault anyway and Floodkiller can add it. No fear.
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Dec 31, 2017 20:51
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Hmm, it seems that they've made Shatter damage insubstantial monsters, which screws up my plan for a necromancer/earth mage who uses Haunt, Death Channel, and Shatter all together.
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Dec 31, 2017 20:57
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Unfortunately I don't think snapping turtles are appropriate enemies for sewers because that would be the ideal
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Dec 31, 2017 20:57
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cheetah7071 posted:Unfortunately I don't think snapping turtles are appropriate enemies for sewers because that would be the ideal New monster: juvenile snapping turtle
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cheetah7071 posted:Unfortunately I don't think snapping turtles are appropriate enemies for sewers because that would be the ideal Take a look at how the sewer with the weakened siren works; might be a 1:1 with how to modify the snapping turtles.
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