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| Verity Lambert |
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30 | 15.31% |
| Barry Letts |
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7 | 3.57% |
| Phillip Hinchcliffe |
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32 | 16.33% |
| John Nathan-Turner |
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6 | 3.06% |
| Russell T Davies |
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33 | 16.84% |
| Steven Moffat |
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50 | 25.51% |
| Chris Chibnall (I am from the future) |
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38 | 19.39% |
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Time to repost my Doctor Who claim to fame, which is that an ex-girlfriend then subsequently went out with the director of LKH
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LividLiquid posted:I super love Let's Kill Hitler and don't understand why you all hate it. I suspect part of this is that my first exposure to Who was the 50th and I got to marathon everything leading up to it after, so I didn't wait months and speculate endlessly and build up expectations. I got to just plow on through. The split season didn't help, for sure. Personally I was getting kind of tired of River Song at this point, so going "Hey, here's a character we never mentioned before who's been Amy and Rory's friend since childhood SURPRISE IT'S RIVER!" was not really what I was after.
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Dec 31, 2017 00:49
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Fil5000 posted:The split season didn't help, for sure. Personally I was getting kind of tired of River Song at this point, so going "Hey, here's a character we never mentioned before who's been Amy and Rory's friend since childhood SURPRISE IT'S RIVER!" was not really what I was after.
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Dec 31, 2017 01:12
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*in an insufferable voice* SPOILAS
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Dec 31, 2017 01:30
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LividLiquid posted:I super love Let's Kill Hitler and don't understand why you all hate it. I suspect part of this is that my first exposure to Who was the 50th and I got to marathon everything leading up to it after, so I didn't wait months and speculate endlessly and build up expectations. I got to just plow on through. I don't think it's bad (now anyway) on its own merits, but as a story which resolves a kidnapped-baby plot, "it turns out the baby was your lifelong friend who got mentioned for the first time a few minutes ago the whole time" and the parents of the kidnapped baby just sort of shrug and carry on, was an unbelievably bad payoff, especially coming from Moffat who's had several episodes of Doctor Who and other shows which dealt with the impact parenthood has on your life. How did the same guy who wrote "yes, I am your mummy" and the wonderful final scene of Coupling manage to come out with this? It baffles me to this day actually(I remain convinced Moffat had some other plan for the second half of series 6 which couldn't be done due to ongoing budgetary catastrophe so he had to come up with something else) and at the time it soured the whole rest of Amy and Rory's run, which as it turned out wasn't that great anyway 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Dec 31, 2017 01:32
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Fil5000 posted:The split season didn't help, for sure. Personally I was getting kind of tired of River Song at this point, so going "Hey, here's a character we never mentioned before who's been Amy and Rory's friend since childhood SURPRISE IT'S RIVER!" was not really what I was after. Especially since it was established that the village thought Amy was weird because she had this imaginary friend who she swore was real, but no one believed her. Oh, except for her best friend, who TOTALLY knew that the Raggedy Man was real, and she'd mouth off to any who didn't believe her.
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Dec 31, 2017 01:32
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Also it would have felt less bullshit if we'd ever seen or mentioned this super best friend 4 lyfe lady before that
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Dec 31, 2017 01:33
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corn in the bible posted:Also it would have felt less bullshit if we'd ever seen or mentioned this super best friend 4 lyfe lady before that Yeah this. Anything that would make you believe it was planned out instead of "poo poo what are we gonna do"
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Dec 31, 2017 01:39
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It would also help if Mels wasn't the most obnoxious character in Who history
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Dec 31, 2017 01:48
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Let’s Kill Hitler was the peak of what Moffat called “slutty titles and movie poster plots” in other words complete dogshit. Though at least it’s a memorable title, unlike the seven or so ______ of the Doctor episodes.
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Dec 31, 2017 01:53
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marktheando posted:Let’s Kill Hitler was the peak of what Moffat called “slutty titles and movie poster plots” in other words complete dogshit. It's a shame he wasted that title on that episode.
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Dec 31, 2017 02:02
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Davros1 posted:It would also help if Mels wasn't the most obnoxious character in Who history You give that award back to Drax this instant you son of a bitch
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Dec 31, 2017 02:15
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Stabbatical posted:It's a shame he wasted that title on that episode. there was also  and 
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Dec 31, 2017 02:23
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The "gay Gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled" line was good too.
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Dec 31, 2017 02:25
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Basically what we're saying is that Let's Kill Hitler is all over the place in quality, but the bad outweighs the good and the good can mostly be summarized by gifs.
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Dec 31, 2017 02:27
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howe_sam posted:there was also and it made me remember this:  I guess LKH wasn't all bad
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Dec 31, 2017 02:29
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I remember reading some comment about how the episode being so dismissive of Hitler meant it failed to address toxic Nazi ideology while centrepiecing a lot of Nazi iconography, making it unintentionally pro-Nazi. So if you don't like it you can also use that as a reason, I guess
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Dec 31, 2017 02:35
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LividLiquid posted:I super love Let's Kill Hitler and don't understand why you all hate it. I suspect part of this is that my first exposure to Who was the 50th and I got to marathon everything leading up to it after, so I didn't wait months and speculate endlessly and build up expectations. I got to just plow on through. I watched it yesterday, in fact. Where it's good it's great. I love the whole "your daughter is named after herself and grew up with her parents" thing. The time travelling justice team robot is weird in just the right way, at least in the broad strokes. I get a kick out of how the characters rapidly lose interest in Hitler. It's a total travesty that, as others note, the Mel character was only introduced in that episode. Some of Alex Kingston's Mel lines just make my skin crawl - all of the "let's go shopping!" stuff is just bad, as is much of the flirtateous dialogue between Mel and the Doctor. The kiss-poison-regeneration energy rescue thing is barely coherent. Many of the plot points with the time travelling justice team robot are weak. Why would anyone set up their robot in such a way that the crew could be that easily annihilated by the "antibodies"? How did they recognize Mel before she regenerated? If they have all of that information on the war criminals and the like, how did they end up in 1938? My overall opinion is that it was a great in concept episode, but a borderline embarrassment in execution.
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Dec 31, 2017 02:42
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Rory was absolutely the best part of LKH. "Can you ride a motorbike?" "I expect so, its been that sort of day." "Miniaturization ray." "How do you know that?" "It's a ray and it miniaturized us."
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Dec 31, 2017 02:45
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Oh yeah, and she gives all her regenerations to the Doctor to save him, which feels like it's meant to explain why she didn't regenerate in her first episode, but that was already explained in that episode:quote:DOCTOR: This is going to kill you! I'd have a chance, you don't have any. I also didn't really get why they'd have a causal loop thing with her name when the origin of her name was in the previous episode, but I do like her as Melody being named after Mels, who is herself, and also her as River being named after River, who also is herself.
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Dec 31, 2017 03:01
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The Unfetered One posted:I remember the days when we all loved Moffat Just think, soon we'll all hate Chibnall. 
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Dec 31, 2017 03:04
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Astroman posted:Just think, soon we'll all hate Chibnall. Soon? People hated him as soon as he was announced as the new showrunner!
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Dec 31, 2017 03:10
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Rory Williams punching Hitler in the face will always be a tremendous high point in one of the lowest moments in the revival history.
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Dec 31, 2017 03:12
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Moffat had to prove that he was poo poo, Chibnall will have to prove that he can do good, especially after loving Cyberwoman.
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Dec 31, 2017 03:12
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I really forgot how great Rory is and now I am remembering all the other great Rory moments and I want to go back and rewatch Matt Smith's run
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Dec 31, 2017 03:17
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Soothing Vapors posted:I really forgot how great Rory is and now I am remembering all the other great Rory moments and I want to go back and rewatch Matt Smith's run He has 100% been my favourite part of series 5 and 6 (6 especially). Every time he gets on screen he owns.
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Dec 31, 2017 03:24
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Dabir posted:Moffat had to prove that he was poo poo, Chibnall will have to prove that he can do good, especially after loving Cyberwoman. Him starting off with the 13th Doctor looking at herself and saying "Oh, brilliant!" is a step in the right direction.
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Dec 31, 2017 03:24
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Edward Mass posted:Soon? People hated him as soon as he was announced as the new showrunner! To be fair, he's not had the greatest track record with the show. When the first thing that springs to peoples' minds is "What if I made a tragic Cyberman story...but make it emphasise her massive robo tits?", they're gonna have certain expectation on the quality of writing. See also another amazing line from that, which is meant to be tragic and heartfelt; " 'When we woke up in the morning a dog was pissing on our tent!'" Dabir posted:Moffat had to prove that he was poo poo, Chibnall will have to prove that he can do good, especially after loving Cyberwoman. Yeah, Moffat had some great loving episodes - tight stories, pacing, characterization...which pretty much vanished the second he was in charge of actually plotting series-spanning arcs. It's like there's two Moffats; the one who wrote Blink, Empty Child, Girl in the Fireplace, Night of the Doctor, Day of the Doctor, Heaven Sent...and the other who wrote The Time of Angels, The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe, Time of the Doctor, and Hell Bent. But yeah, the point is people were looking forward to his stewardship of the program, based on his previous writings. Chibnall's not had such a good time, as previously noted. At worst it was the Torchwood poo poo, at best kinda middling stuff like 42, Power of Three, and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Davros1 posted:Him starting off with the 13th Doctor looking at herself and saying "Oh, brilliant!" is a step in the right direction. I hope so - I'm looking forward to the new direction.
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Dec 31, 2017 03:30
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Also who was the DOP on the Whittaker reveal video and on her first appearance post regeneration? Because visually at least it looks incredible
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Dec 31, 2017 03:44
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Jerusalem posted:Also who was the DOP on the Whittaker reveal video and on her first appearance post regeneration? Because visually at least it looks incredible I know Talalay directed her regeneration, so it may have been in the stage directions, since Moffat didn't write her reveal
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Dec 31, 2017 03:46
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Thirteen's TARDIS looks like a throwback to One's so what if they sort of factory reset it so they can use the classic control room for a while?
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Dec 31, 2017 04:03
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Rhyno posted:Thirteen's TARDIS looks like a throwback to One's so what if they sort of factory reset it so they can use the classic control room for a while? Twelve did say he missed the look of it in TUAT, so maybe that was a hint..?
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Dec 31, 2017 04:12
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The_Doctor posted:Twelve did say he missed the look of it in TUAT, so maybe that was a hint..? He was so loving hyped for how "classic" it was. I wouldn't hate if they used it and hey, save money on the set for a while!
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Dec 31, 2017 04:22
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I get a serious 5 vibe from 13’s outfit, so if they reintroduce the classic console room, then all we’re missing are three companions that she can’t really stand. 
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Dec 31, 2017 08:05
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and introducing Bradley Walsh as Vislor Turlough
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Dec 31, 2017 08:09
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Cyberwoman is really bad but I think I'd need to know how much of the design was described in Chibber's script and how much of it came from the art/costuming/production/whatever before laying it all on him
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Dec 31, 2017 08:33
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It was also Torchwood.
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Dec 31, 2017 08:35
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With the Ponds I kind of liked Amy's outburst when she brings the Doctor back from her own memories of him - "I remember you Raggedy Man and you are LATE FOR MY WEDDING!  " Also Rory was the best. Although River's plot with the silence was a bit weird, when all the conspirators are being killed by the Silence electrocuting them through their eyepatches, then Madame Kovarian ends up begging Amy for help after managing to mostly remove her eyepatch, to which Amy responds "[River] didn't get it all from you, Sweetie" and puts the eyepatch back on her, letting her die. They were going for badass, but it came off as a bit sociopathic.
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Dec 31, 2017 09:22
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I thought that was the point. Kovarian is leaning on a Doctor's Companion being an upright good person, and Amy basically goes "I'm not always a good person, and part of that went into River".
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Dec 31, 2017 10:28
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MisterBibs posted:I thought that was the point. Kovarian is leaning on a Doctor's Companion being an upright good person, and Amy basically goes "I'm not always a good person, and part of that went into River". I'll admit I enjoyed that moment, I just wasn't sure how it was percieved by others.
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Dec 31, 2017 10:49
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