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Also I think you were right about the suspicion that Rey would kill "Christ" SMG. She would in fact kill Vader. She isn't his daughter. She has no reason to love this monster. If the writers of the next film are smart, she thinks Luke killed Vader. The full story is important because it holds important moral lessons such as the power of love and the secret of immortality.
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Dec 31, 2017 17:59
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theDOWmustflow posted:None of these stories even matter anymore. It's going to be endless war between the permanently dominant Empire / First Order (despite losing critically in every post-Disney film) vs the plucky Rebels who will never not be Rebels and whose deaths and dramas are completely inconsequential (Poe disobeys direct orders twice and even organizes a mutiny - the consequences of which directly lead to the deaths of 95% of his comrades. But hey, he's got spunk!). As Gundam was massively derivative of Star Wars, now Star Wars has become Gundam. Here's to 30 years of TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Dec 31, 2017 18:11
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McCloud posted:It was. Rey flinged something at the banners that started the fire. It's was a preatorian guards weapon iirc.
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Dec 31, 2017 18:18
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I went into this fully expecting something subversive along the lines of Rey going Dark side and killing Luke. I thought about it a lot and it would have been a good movie if they'd kept it solely to the Rey and Ren internal conflict and Luke's finale. I just don't know what the heck was going on tonally with the attempted comedy at various points in this "dark and subversive" movie. If anything it felt like two movies smashed together. Also, why even have Rose as a character? It would be very "Poe" for him to run off and be headstrong and then we'd have a Poe and Finn buddy heist subplot. TheKingofSprings posted:As Gundam was massively derivative of Star Wars, now Star Wars has become Gundam. Oh God no please anything but that
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Dec 31, 2017 18:30
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Star Wars Wing, complete with a boy band of Jedi, would be an easy sell.
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Dec 31, 2017 18:44
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:His name is C'ai Threnalli and he makes it onto the falcon. Also he has green fur. This reminds me: I wonder how long it's going to take for Disney to go back and change Kylo Ren's facial injury at the end of TFA. Rian Johnson said he moved the placement of his scar because he thought it "looked stupid," so right out of the gate you've got a continuity error going into TLJ. Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Dec 31, 2017 18:56
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I'm not sure what Star Wars Reconguista in G would even look like.
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Dec 31, 2017 18:58
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I'd totally be up for G Star Wars.
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Dec 31, 2017 19:02
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Fart City posted:This reminds me: I wonder how long it's going to take for Disney to go back and change Kylo Ren's facial injury at the end of TFA. Rian Johnson said he moved the placement of his scar because he thought it "looked stupid," so right out of the gate you've got a continuity error going into TLJ. It would own if the director of the next one said "Leia living and flying through space was stupid, she actually died in that scene," and there's no mention at all of her except acknowledging in the opening crawl that she died during that space battle.
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Dec 31, 2017 19:09
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You know, for all this complaining about Poe and Holdo, people are really letting Snap Wexley skate by as far as culpability for all those Resistance deaths. It was his dumb rear end who allowed himself to be tracked back to D'Qar in the first place. Look, here he is hoping no one realizes how big a gently caress up he is: 
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Dec 31, 2017 19:27
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Gorelab posted:I'd totally be up for G Star Wars. But it already has lots of racial stereotypes and wacky kungfu fighting
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Dec 31, 2017 19:32
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Chewbacca Defense posted:5. Finn should have sacrificed himself. Instead Rose stops him. She opines, as space nazis are shooting lasers at her friends, that LOVE will win the day. Are you loving kidding me? During that battle, I thought that "death star technology" was going to destroy most of the base on its own and kill a ton of people. Now maybe I'm an idiot, but it made the scene feel utterly surreal when Rose declares that saving people you love is the most important thing, with the explosion incinerating most of her remaining friends right there in the background, having stopped Finn from trying to save the resistance by suicide bombing the laser. Anyways, I did a google search for Rose's dialogue and that's very demoralizing in 2017 because the algorithm is in full effect and all you get are thousands and thousands of star wars opinion pieces for nerds I no longer understand. Fart City posted:This reminds me: I wonder how long it's going to take for Disney to go back and change Kylo Ren's facial injury at the end of TFA. Rian Johnson said he moved the placement of his scar because he thought it "looked stupid," so right out of the gate you've got a continuity error going into TLJ. lol this would be good if disney insisted on changing it. Either way, it was a good decision.
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Steve Yun posted:But it already has lots of racial stereotypes and wacky kungfu fighting
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Dec 31, 2017 19:43
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Hodgepodge posted:The revelation that Vader is Luke's father is the most famous plot twist in any medium in at least the last century, and that revelation determines Luke's actions from that point on. The idea that Anakin is not merely a powerful mutant, as you put it, but the messiah of the mutant religion created directly by their god, plays a similar role in Anakin's relationship with his community of coreligionists/mutants. The question is why the Episode 5 twist is so devastating for Luke and shocking for much of the audience, and the answer is that it reveals that the Jedi are wrong - the Republic was bad. And we should not shy away from the fact that Luke has fought in wars - has killed a lot of people - in the name of the Republic. Luke’s entire life was a lie. (Luke had always felt that something was wrong with the Rebellion. That’s why he spends the whole film separated from his Rebel friends. The direct, brutal confirmation of his suspicions is what devastates him. This is why Episode 6 has this bromide about Luke’s faith in his friends: faith in the rebellion. Literally, Luke turns away from the truth and just stupidly believes that the Republic can’t possibly gently caress up this time). As for Anakin, you have to keep in mind the prequel themes of self-fulfilling prophecy. Anakin was simply a psychic mutant, but Quigon’s conviction that this must be the chosen one (he has such good genes!) is what shaped Anakin into a messianic figure. In truth, Anakin was never chosen by God. He was chosen by man. With Rey, we have only a repetition of this: Rey is considered good purely because she is powerful and ‘on our side’. The true subversion would be to underline that she’s the villain despite/because of her earnestness, sympathetic backstory, etc.
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Fart City posted:This reminds me: I wonder how long it's going to take for Disney to go back and change Kylo Ren's facial injury at the end of TFA. Rian Johnson said he moved the placement of his scar because he thought it "looked stupid," so right out of the gate you've got a continuity error going into TLJ. LOL this owns and I hope it changes all the time. They put like a billion comics in between Force Awakens and Last Jedi does he pop up with it moving around there? In Episode IX they should have it change every scene. Slim Jim Pickens posted:During that battle, I thought that "death star technology" was going to destroy most of the base on its own and kill a ton of people. I thought that at first too but the way it's described right after by them and the resistance clicked for me and made it come off like all it was going to do was blow the door open. I didn't even mind Rose's dialogue at all, but the shot really was stupid of them kissing as the door gets blown apart. I mean on a basic level yeah the left side of the screen is an action born of hate and the right side of the screen is an action born of love, but still. I did like how it played it into Luke's actions right after though and how he defeats Ren by saving his friends and not even fighting Ren. I thought basically everything about Luke in this one was great. Except, like, I know the movie was long but was there like a major character scene cut during him and Yoda's conversation or something? It felt really choppy going from the tree and teachings burning to the next scene and stuff. Yoda popping up felt kind of weird and yet, with all that has happened with Kylo Ren in these movies, and with how they briefly had Kenobi's voices pop up in Force Awakens, with that progression I'm hoping it's a gradual build up to the maximum prequel hater rage moment of a Hayden Christensen force ghost popping up in Episode IX.
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Alright we have hit the insane SMG diarrhea portion of the thread Rey was Jesus all along
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You know everyone wants to blame Po for losing all their fighters and bombers (not that it'd mattered anyway!) but it's totally 100% on Leia so what the gently caress. She could have told Po no. Po has his own jump drive. Like literally it's all on her. The fact she goes for it and EVERYONE celebrates like it's a big victory makes me think there's no reason to be pissy with Po in the first place, since apparently she backed his plan.Chewbacca Defense posted:2. If Laura Dern's character is today's image of a strong female character then I think we've regressed. Rather than being an effective leader who deserves respect the audience is told she's some hero and that Poe should just listen to her. Give me Mon Mothma over her. Also, why is Dern in the movie anyway? I thought they were gonna kill off Leia at the beginning of the movie but she makes it to the end. I hate this character so loving much. The fact she was clearly made for a certain demographic making another demographic lose their poo poo makes it hard to talk about her decisions without it being loving politicized. But she is just loving terrible. Her plan was terrible and there was no reason to keep it hidden. She's one of the worst leaders I've ever seen in Sci-Fi. Why she got a way way more epic death than any of the original cast I don't know. ED: Also I will never not  at the captains staying on their ships that... ran out of gas, so they could... pilot the out of gas ships to their doom?
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Turdfuzz posted:a lot of characters are poorly written i dont think reys vagina is the reason or at least not a big reason Oh I'm certain it is and that she is the character Disney will take zero risks with. That's why the movie doesn't really do anything different with the usual Jedi/Sith (Dark Side) setup and why there is no romantic storyline in the cards for her. I mean ask yourself why Finn gets the romance subplot (in a very clumsy way) despite the fact that you already have some chemistry going between Kylo and Rey and how it would totally turn things up side down if you had a romantic "relationship" (or at least interest) between the two sides of the force. THAT could have offered some interesting story potential, especially if you keep Snoke alive and use this in an interesting way. But that's all not possible because Rey has to be this idealistic, non sexual role model for young girls (people just don't have the same reservations for male characters, it's quite the opposite, people don't joke about Luke only getting to kiss his sister for nothing). That's what really makes me sad, this often wrong interpretation of what a strong female character should be trades one bad stereotype with another. We are going from one extreme to the other and this leads to very one dimensional female heroes. Maybe I'm wrong and the next movie will dare to do a lot more with Rey but that was my sincere hope for this one (before TLJ I wasn't on board to call out Rey as Mary Sue but at this point she sadly totally is).
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sleep with the vicious posted:Alright we have hit the insane SMG diarrhea portion of the thread That's not what he's saying though
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I Before E posted:That's not what he's saying though Quite the opposite, one might say.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I hate this character so loving much. The fact she was clearly made for a certain demographic making another demographic lose their poo poo makes it hard to talk about her decisions without it being loving politicized. lol projecting much
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Despite the Internet's bizarre handwringing that this movie would be a box office disappointment (lol) or that they'd take Rian's trilogy away from him (LOL) his trilogy starts shooting in Scotland in June. http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/12/31/star-wars-new-trilogy-filming-scotland-/
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trash person posted:Despite the Internet's bizarre handwringing that this movie would be a box office disappointment (lol) or that they'd take Rian's trilogy away from him (LOL) his trilogy starts shooting in Scotland in June. Just do something new Rian. Anything. No Empire. No rebellion. Please.
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trash person posted:Despite the Internet's bizarre handwringing that this movie would be a box office disappointment (lol) or that they'd take Rian's trilogy away from him (LOL) his trilogy starts shooting in Scotland in June. Awesome. I can't wait for the new stories.
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Lora told Poe no.
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Yaws posted:Just do something new Rian. Anything. No Empire. No rebellion. Please.
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Jan 1, 2018 00:04
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just waiting for the epic ronald d moore star wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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trash person posted:Despite the Internet's bizarre handwringing that this movie would be a box office disappointment (lol) or that they'd take Rian's trilogy away from him (LOL) his trilogy starts shooting in Scotland in June. It says it's going to start shooting in 6 months. And they only had some ideas a month or so ago? I guess shooting without a script and hoping the force will fix it in editing is a Star Wars tradition you can't break.
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Comstar posted:It says it's going to start shooting in 6 months. And they only had some ideas a month or so ago? I guess shooting without a script and hoping the force will fix it in editing is a Star Wars tradition you can't break. It has worked approximately half the time it's been tried, if you think about it.
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I mean scripts are important but it's a movie. I mean it's like worrying about the font in a novel.
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Comstar posted:It says it's going to start shooting in 6 months. And they only had some ideas a month or so ago? I guess shooting without a script and hoping the force will fix it in editing is a Star Wars tradition you can't break. Absolutely doable.
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Smythe posted:just waiting for the epic ronald d moore star wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we just had it in the last jedi someone watched 33 and decided that star wars needed that plot
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I've only seen this movie last night and yet every time I think about it I notice new problems with it. The main goal of the Resistance is to get to the base on Planet Salt where they can send out a call to the galaxy to rise up against the First Order, right? And they have a small ship that can sneak away from the chase, go to light speed without being tracked, visit Casinoworld, find a guy they need, and return before the big Resistance ships run out of fuel, right? So why not just send a few people in that small ship off to somewhere where they can broadcast the message, which would presumably also include "our fleet is currently under attack by Star Destroyers in the X system at Y coordinates, send help now"? Even if there's some reason why they can't just lightspeed ahead to Planet Salt, that can't possibly be the only place in the galaxy where they can send out a distress call. Sure, the fleet will still be in danger, but at least they'll have accomplished their primary goal, and greatly increased their chances of getting help in time. And if the plan fails for some reason, the only thing they'll have lost is that small ship, which is apparently so unimportant that nobody noticed it missing for hours, plus the people you send in it, who could easily be expendable grunts. Heck, even if there somehow aren't any other broadcasting points close enough to reach before the big ships run out of fuel, you'd think that they would still want to do this as a backup plan in case they don't make it to Planet Salt. This is not a minor issue. Those two plot points are the basis for the entire main plot of the movie, and they completely contradict each other. Even The Phantom Menace had the sense to handwave a similar "why don't they just call for help?" issue by putting in a line about how the Hutts will do Bad Things to Queen Amidala if they find out that she's on Tatooine. Not that that was a particularly good explanation, but it was something.
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Their goal was to jump the big ship away and have it blown up with the fo thinking everyone was aboard
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euphronius posted:Their goal was to jump the big ship away and have it blown up with the fo thinking everyone was aboard this isn't stated anywhere in the movie
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Jan 1, 2018 02:39
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You thought that was my man's ship? FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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"Ha ha ha ha...you think this is the real Rebel ship?" ... "It is." *BBRRRAAAPPP* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE8KlskLKzc
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Milky Moor posted:this isn't stated anywhere in the movie Lol ok man.
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Milky Moor posted:this isn't stated anywhere in the movie e: also they do ultimately call for help and no-one responds. Which may be why it wasn't their plan A
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