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PJOmega posted:JivJov, you didn't need to rereg to throw in your hot take. Nah, jivjov wouldn't attack the thread, he just defends Rothfuss. I won't have you folks throwing shade at him.
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A human heart posted:I agree, and the other threads about bad books should also be closed Let's make TBB the world's first thread free forum.
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SpacePig posted:Nah, jivjov wouldn't attack the thread, he just defends Rothfuss. I won't have you folks throwing shade at him. So in your opinion being a Rothfusian apologist is better than being rude to other people on an internet forum? We only hurt each other. Pat destroyed an entire genre.
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There's an amazingly interesting story about how the destruction of the genre came about, and, like most fantasy genre destruction stories, this one start with the inflationary trends of the Japanese Yen as compared to the globalized average inflation rate. You see, if we analyze this data from Forex there's
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm digging the predictive text writings. I tried playing with it, but wasn't getting anything good. I don't think I know how to use it or something. The secret is that you have to work at constructing the funniest sentence and shuffle through various suggestions. You have to spend as much effort as you would on writing something original, except you have a limited and semi-random vocabulary. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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I just finished The Name of the Wind and was wondering if anyone has written an exhaustively researched essay explaining why the gently caress it's such a popular book and one of if not the highest rates fantasy novels on goodreads? From what I gather there's a lot of sex in the second book but the first one reads like an E/N thread from 10 years ago. In fact, take out the magic and Besides that, I don't think I've ever read anything quite like Deoch's speech explaining why there is absolutely nothing Denna can do to earn a living besides her bizarre short-term high-class escort gig. It's especially jarring when Kvothe's other potential love interest is a university student notable for little else besides being young, attractive, and having her life saved by Kvothe when she was too paralyzed by fear to move. Well, ok, maybe he has a point then. Still, it's like he smashed the fourth wall to pieces just to give a lame excuse for why he's writing such godawful female characters. 
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eXXon posted:I just finished The Name of the Wind and was wondering if anyone has written an exhaustively researched essay explaining why the gently caress it's such a popular book and one of if not the highest rates fantasy novels on goodreads? Look he is a feminist because he said he is, and because Kvothe got magically drunk but wasn't a rapist while drunk. Or drugged, or whatever. I'm guessing you read BotL's walkthrough? I can try to find it if you haven't.
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eXXon posted:. He's a redditor trying to argue that egalitarianism is needed because if women are denied opportunities they'll use their APPEARANCE to be WHORES instead of falling in LOVE with NICE GUYS. Mix in some hypergamy, biotruths, "I'd be a feminist but SJWs have ruined it," and memes and he'd fit right into most internet conversations. It could've been a good commentary on divides in gender and class but like so much else in these books it falls so astonishingly short of the goal it's hard to tell where it was originally aimed.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Look he is a feminist because he said he is, and because Kvothe got magically drunk but wasn't a rapist while drunk. Or drugged, or whatever. I'd like to read that if you have it handy
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Look he is a feminist because he said he is, and because Kvothe got magically drunk but wasn't a rapist while drunk. Or drugged, or whatever. No, I haven't. I just read a bit of the original thread. Actually, I partly got around to reading it because Patrick Rothfuss' review of The Lies of Locke Lamora is absolutely glowing (and the first to show up), even including three things that are definitely better about Scott Lynch's book: quote:1. The beginning of his book is stronger than mine. The whole time I was reading about Kvothe's time in Tarbean I was just thinking how much better the story of Locke's childhood is. Actually, I had thought that it came out after the Name of the Wind too, but no, Locke Lamora was published first. And the Tarbean part isn't even particularly bad, it just turns out to be largely pointless like most of the things that happen in Name of the Wind. Also, that review is kind of funny after reading this post: Dienes posted:Rothfuss has reviewed hundreds of books on Goodreads, and those that he's bothered to give a star rating are nearly always 5-stars. It really reeks of someone trying to suck up to other authors. Patrick Rothfuss posted:There is nothing I don't like in this book. Seriously. Okay. Fine. One tiny *tiny* quibble. He has reviewed over 600 titles with an average rating of 4.65.
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Wow, the Pat Rothfuss facebook page is having a crusade against anyone who asks where the third installment is, it's kind of great.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Wow, the Pat Rothfuss facebook page is having a crusade against anyone who asks where the third installment is, it's kind of great. Link some posts?
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It’s going to be like wandering onto an internet porn site and seeing a video of a girl I had a crush on in high school. You probably knew someone like her. The smart girl. The shy girl. The one who wore glasses and was a little socially awkward. The one who screwed up the curve in chemistry so you got an A- instead of an A. She was a geek girl before anybody knew what a geek girl was. And that was kinda awesome, because you were a geek boy before being a geek was culturally acceptable. You liked her because she was funny. And she was smart. And you could actually talk to her. And she read books. And sure, she was girl-shaped, and that was cool. And she was cute, in an understated, freckly way. And sometimes you’d stare at her breasts when you were supposed to be paying attention in biology. But you were 16. You stared at everyone’s breasts back then. And yeah, you had some fantasies about her, because, again, you were 16. But they were fairly modest fantasies about making out in the back of a car. Maybe you’d get to second base. Maybe you could steal third if you were lucky. And maybe, just maybe, something delightful and terrifying might happen. And yeah, it would probably be awkward and fumbling at times, but that’s okay because she’d be doing half the fumbling too. Because the only experience either one of you had was from books. And afterwards, if you make a Star Wars joke, you know she’ll get it, and she’ll laugh…. That’s the girl you fell in love with in high school. You didn’t have a crush on her because she was some simmering pool of molten sex. You loved her because she was subtle and sweet and smart and special. So you stroll onto this porn site, and there she is. Except now she’s wearing a thong and a black leather halter top. She’s wearing gently caress-me red lipstick and a lot of dark eye makeup. Her breasts are amazing now, proud and perfectly round. Someone’s taught her to dance, and she does it well. She’s flexible and tan. She has a flat midriff and walks like a high-class Vegas stripper. Her eyes are dark and smouldering. She has a riding crop, and she likes to be tied up, and her too-red mouth forms a perfect circle as she sighs and moans, and tosses her head in a performance designed to win any number of academy awards…. And what’s the problem with this? Well… in some ways, nothing. What you’ve found is perfectly good porn. Maybe even great porn. But in other ways the problem is blindingly obvious. This girl has nothing in common with your high-school crush except for her social security number. Everything you loved about her is gone. We loved the sweet, shy, freckly girl. We still remember her name, and after all these years she lives close to our heart. Seeing her in lipstick and stiletto heels dancing on a pole is like watching Winnie the Pooh do heroin and then glass someone in a bar fight. It just isn’t something that I look forward to seeing…. And that’s how I’m going to feel when I watch the Hobbit.
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The last line makes the entire thing even worse in retrospect. You start by assuming it’s a creepy talk about his creepy portrayal of women in his story, but then nope, it’s just him being oblivious and talking about how the hobbit is now a stripper
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PJOmega posted:That is still such a loving creepy post to see someone proudly affix their name to. But enough about Wise Man's Fear...
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Captain Hotbutt posted:I actually really want to read this book. It's got a massive fanbase and it seems...influential is the wrong word but it's got it's hooks in the publishing world. I like dead threads and playing catchup with other goons. Let us know how it goes, fresh blood is good.
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HIJK posted:Let us know how it goes, fresh blood is good. I'm working on China Mieville for that thread first, but I'll let you know if/when I become jaded towards The Kingkiller Chronicles in the future. I also think the third book will come out just in time for Christmas. I also think that Rothfuss is kind of a twat. The one time I live-streamed Penny-Arcade's dumb DnD session I found him kind of insufferable. Welp that's my story thanks for listening.
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Captain Hotbutt posted:I also think the third book will come out just in time for Christmas. You have to include a year for this to be a valid entry in the Doors of Stone release date pool.
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The Book Barn > Magic of a Different Kind: I also think that Rothfuss is kind of a twat
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Rothfuss is like Christopher Paolini, but he doesn't have the excuse of being an isolated, home-schooled 16 year old boy.
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eXXon posted:And that’s how I’m going to feel when I watch the Hobbit. I thought this was a parody or something, but holy poo poo this is actually something he wrote about The Hobbit. What in the whole hell? What's worse is that there were probably tons of dudes who agreed with him.
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SpacePig posted:I thought this was a parody or something, but holy poo poo this is actually something he wrote about The Hobbit. What in the whole hell? What's worse is that there were probably tons of dudes who agreed with him. Remember, this guy gets recommended as a """feminist fantasy author""" Which is an indictment of the genre as much as the author, but still, Rothfuss bad
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M_Gargantua posted:Its a perfectly enjoyable trash fiction read as long as you don't think to hard about the subtle/blatant misogyny You clearly don't read enough trash fiction enough to recognize the enjoyable stuff.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You clearly don't read enough trash fiction enough to recognize the enjoyable stuff. Enjoyment is subjective BoL, you can’t universally enforce your standards of acceptable enjoyment. I’ve read plenty of trash fiction that I haven’t enjoyed and plenty of ‘good writing (tm)’ that I equally did not enjoy. Your valid points on why NotW and WMF are poor literature can be true while not detracting from a persons enjoyment.
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M_Gargantua posted:Enjoyment is subjective BoL, you can’t universally enforce your standards of acceptable enjoyment. That's where you're wrong.
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On a tangentially related note is there a good write-up/analysis of Book of the New Sun? I mainlined them as audiobooks and they were wonderful but holy hell is my mind not wrapped around what I listened to. I know there are levels that I'm not even aware of.
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PJOmega posted:On a tangentially related note is there a good write-up/analysis of Book of the New Sun? I mainlined them as audiobooks and they were wonderful but holy hell is my mind not wrapped around what I listened to. I know there are levels that I'm not even aware of. Check out "Attending Daedalus" by Peter Wright and read through a 200+ page dissertation of somebody getting everything about BOTNS wrong
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Captain Hotbutt posted:I also think the third book will come out just in time for Christmas. 
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PJOmega posted:On a tangentially related note is there a good write-up/analysis of Book of the New Sun? I mainlined them as audiobooks and they were wonderful but holy hell is my mind not wrapped around what I listened to. I know there are levels that I'm not even aware of.
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Captain Hotbutt posted:I actually really want to read this book. It's got a massive fanbase and it seems...influential is the wrong word but it's got it's hooks in the publishing world. I like dead threads and playing catchup with other goons. I bet these fantasy publishing guys know what a good book is
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A human heart posted:I bet these fantasy publishing guys know what a good book is Publishers make shovelware game developers look like paragons of quality.
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