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Nephthys posted:So I just heard that theres some claims that TLJ plagiarized a self-insert fanfiction. Apparently it was written shortly after Force Awakens and turns out to have some eerily similar plot point to what TLJ eventually did. It's a fun coincidence but a lot of that stuff was being rumored for episode VIII even before Force Awakens was released. Plus basic stuff like Ren is conflicted, Snoke manipulates folks with the force, Rey's parents are nobodies, Rey and Kylo face off again, none of that is particularly groundbreaking stuff was pretty much assured to happen in the next movie just from watching Force Awakens. So I was surprised any claims of plagiarism were made at all.
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this movie read to me as one made by and for someone who's smart enough but not nearly as clever as they think they are
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Jan 1, 2018 23:12
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I saw this movie yesterday. The red throne room guys were the Knights of Ren, right? They were the other ~mysterious element~ from TFA that needed to be wiped out with no real explanation. Although looking at their weapons it's clear that the appearance of SW characters in the Soulcalibur games is now canon and that Luke took many of his apprentices from the Soulcalibur world. Like, the one with the extending whip sword was Ivy, and the one with the two space daggers was Taki. Which I guess makes perfect sense. Maybe Snoke is also someone from Soulcalibur. Too bad they all went over to the dark side. Speaking of weapons, Rey lost her heirloom laser sword in TLJ, so now she's going to need a new one. I wonder if the writers will do the obvious and logical thing and have her make her own Episode One-style double-bladed staff. Seems to be her weapon of choice anyway. I'm also thinking there will be a pretty big time gap between the end of TLJ and the beginning of the next one. The tacked-on final scene with the kid made it seem like a more than one movie's worth of stuff was going to need to play out before there could be a reasonable setup for a conclusion to the story. I guess we'll see, but I bet IX will triple-down on the whole 'everything that happened last time was irrelevant and inconsequential' contrivances that have permeated Disney Star Wars 1 & 2. And how are they going to get Billy Dee Williams, Force Ghost Hayden Christensen, and a suitable conclusion to the new characters' story all packed into this final movie? It seem like they've got their work cut out for them.
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Jan 1, 2018 23:28
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Shaocaholica posted:OMG I get it now. TLJ is a filler episode just like the episode “Fly” on breaking bad where Cranston goes on a failed side quest to kill the fly and ultimately learns from his failure but otherwise a poo poo filler episode. That's not what a filler episode is, though. Also Fly is a great episode.
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Jan 1, 2018 23:29
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Raxivace posted:Ozymandias, though part of me wonders how much of that episode being so good isn't just because it was the culmination of like five and half seasons worth of buildup and plot. Too bad he couldn’t do the same with 8 movies worth of space opera buildup.
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Jan 1, 2018 23:32
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Nephthys posted:Apparently its longer than Harry Potter, lol. So good luck: Hahaha oh my god it’s in second person
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Maxwell Lord posted:Oh God it's written in the second person present tense. Jay McInerny they are not
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SMERSH Mouth posted:And how are they going to get Billy Dee Williams, Force Ghost Hayden Christensen, and a suitable conclusion to the new characters' story all packed into this final movie? It seem like they've got their work cut out for them. (some super swank estate, hell, literally a massive estate on Canto Bite) Lando returns home from a party, but turns on the lights to his place and is startled by the presence of a shimmering figure. HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN FORCE GHOST: Former Mayor Calrissian, thirty years ago you served by friends in the Death Star wars. They died heroes, but their descendants needs us now more than ever to- Lando: HEY, me and Han had a deal after everything went down on Endor I was done playing hero this- HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN FORCE GHOST: I AM ALTERING THE DEAL.
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Jan 2, 2018 00:23
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Waffles Inc. posted:The only reason Johnson put that line in there is probably because he likes him and wanted to enshrine him having not been chumped by the FO death beam when it destroyed every New Republic ship. 
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Jan 2, 2018 01:13
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Speaking of Wedge, where the gently caress was he in Rogue One. I'm way too lazy to check Wookie Encyclopedia.
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I Before E posted:That's not what a filler episode is, though. Also Fly is a great episode. People also seem to forget that Rian Johnson also directed Ozymandias for Breaking Bad.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Speaking of Wedge, where the gently caress was he in Rogue One. I'm way too lazy to check Wookie Encyclopedia. They didn't show either Wedge or Biggs flying at Scarif. I guess they could have been. I think only Red Leader and Red Five specifically got called out/shown.
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Jan 2, 2018 02:15
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if ep ix doesn't end on a song & dance number I'm going to boycott disney for the rest of my life
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Yes, a Star Wars movie where Luke Skywalker dies is "filler".Canopus250 posted:They didn't show either Wedge or Biggs flying at Scarif. I guess they could have been. I think only Red Leader and Red Five specifically got called out/shown. Wedge was surprised at the size of the Death Star during his attack run on it, so I figure the previous Red Two died during the fight at Scarif.
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Jan 2, 2018 02:33
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Did I imagine it, or did the kid at the end use the force to pull the broom into his hand? He telekinetically moved it an inch or so.
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FuturePastNow posted:Did I imagine it, or did the kid at the end use the force to pull the broom into his hand? He telekinetically moved it an inch or so. I thought so too but there's no way I'm seeing this twice.
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Jan 2, 2018 02:35
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FuturePastNow posted:Did I imagine it, or did the kid at the end use the force to pull the broom into his hand? He telekinetically moved it an inch or so. He did and it's part of why the last scene rules.
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Jan 2, 2018 02:36
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I still don't understand why they had to introduce the character of Rose when, as others have pointed out, it would have made a lot more sense for Finn and Poe to go on the sidequest together. Poe has nothing to do after his fighter is destroyed, and the characters already work well together.
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Jan 2, 2018 02:55
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TerminalRaptor posted:I still don't understand why they had to introduce the character of Rose when, as others have pointed out, it would have made a lot more sense for Finn and Poe to go on the sidequest together. Poe has nothing to do after his fighter is destroyed, and the characters already work well together. Because then Finn and Poe would have to kiss.
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TerminalRaptor posted:I still don't understand why they had to introduce the character of Rose when, as others have pointed out, it would have made a lot more sense for Finn and Poe to go on the sidequest together. that was even the original plan lmao
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Jan 2, 2018 03:03
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Doctor Spaceman posted:He did and it's part of why the last scene rules. that kid was luke and the whole cycle is beginning again 
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Jan 2, 2018 03:04
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TerminalRaptor posted:I still don't understand why they had to introduce the character of Rose when, as others have pointed out, it would have made a lot more sense for Finn and Poe to go on the sidequest together. Poe has nothing to do after his fighter is destroyed, and the characters already work well together. Because as the events of Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi have shown us Rose owns bones and Poe sucks rear end.
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Jan 2, 2018 03:12
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rose simultaneously increases representation and allows johnson to shuttle off the poc into one condensed meaningless sidequest while the whites get the relevant plot
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Jan 2, 2018 03:13
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mycot posted:Because then Finn and Poe would have to kiss. Their adventure together culminating in this would be good. I'd have enjoyed that.
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Jan 2, 2018 03:16
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mycot posted:Because then Finn and Poe would have to kiss. Not seeing the problem here.  We Hate Movies has a real good review of this movie out. "There's a lot of people who hook their entire personality on being disappointed with everything."
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Jan 2, 2018 03:26
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Gatts posted:Their adventure together culminating in this would be good. I'd have enjoyed that. precision posted:Not seeing the problem here. I would have too but you know that's too good for us to get.
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precision posted:Not seeing the problem here. That and there's a tendency to put more emphasis on implication than text, and the implications raised are often subjective. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to my essay about how Poe scratching BB-8's belly sends SHOCKWAVES THROUGHOUT THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE IN REGARDS TO A DROID'S ABILITY TO FEEL PAIN OR PLEASURE AND FURTHERMORE
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Jan 2, 2018 03:52
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I will give the First Order credit for one thing. Unlike the Emperor's royal guard scampering away like punks the second something went wrong the Knights of Ren were both cool looking AND didn't hesitate to put up a good fight.
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Neo Rasa posted:I will give the First Order credit for one thing. Unlike the Emperor's royal guard scampering away like punks the second something went wrong the Knights of Ren were both cool looking AND didn't hesitate to put up a good fight. yeah but why...I mean their job is to defend snoke; once he's dead, shouldn't they just give kylo their resumes?
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Jan 2, 2018 04:03
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Is that who they were supposed to be? You'd think they'd like Kylo a bit more
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Jan 2, 2018 04:05
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Is that who they were supposed to be? You'd think they'd like Kylo a bit more Not that it matters even a little but Johnson has said those guards are not the Knights of Ren
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Jan 2, 2018 04:08
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Has this movie broken the billion dollar mark yet. I get the impression that fan backlash is moot when it comes to massive corporate-planned onslaught entertainment which indeed is too big to fail and too large to ignore. For every individual deeply upset that their mental fanfiction of Snoke seducing Kylo didn't exactly pan out there must be at least 20 or so people just watching the glowsticks twirl and the lasers go pew pew. I'm ok with both accounts.
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Ka0 posted:Has this movie broken the billion dollar mark yet.
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Waffles Inc. posted:Not that it matters even a little but Johnson has said those guards are not the Knights of Ren what do the six distinct action figure boxes call them then 
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Jan 2, 2018 04:13
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Jonathan Fisk posted:what do the six distinct action figure boxes call them then Praetorian Guards.
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Jan 2, 2018 04:24
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Pretty sure whenever the Knights of Ren show up, they will all use light sabers. Aren't they the students that joined Rylo after he destroyed Luke's school? I assume either they will be used for villains in later movies or get wrecked by Rey in 9.
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Jan 2, 2018 04:27
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I hope they come back and own Kylo Ren.
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Jan 2, 2018 04:32
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Waffles Inc. posted:Not that it matters even a little but Johnson has said those guards are not the Knights of Ren It was a cool fight, but should it have been? Couldn't they just force throw them around like Yoda did in the prequels?
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Neo Rasa posted:I will give the First Order credit for one thing. Unlike the Emperor's royal guard scampering away like punks the second something went wrong the Knights of Ren were both cool looking AND didn't hesitate to put up a good fight. ...after Snoke was already dead.
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Justin Godscock posted:People also seem to forget that Rian Johnson also directed Ozymandias for Breaking Bad. And then he did this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NxsyC4kVPM
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