TheScott2K posted:Y'all are really going wild with "HENRY." Like a ten year old who just discovered "gently caress" What even is HENRY, what'd I miss in my self imposed exile from this thread and most politics for a week? Xae posted:Are you illiterate or just avoiding the point on purpose? Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-thru
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Peven Stan posted:Gonna be a lot more rich and a lot less diverse with this current crop of HENRY vultures doing their best to gentrify harlem, chinatown, the bronx, and anywhere poc might find affordable in the city Yet 40% of New York is foreign born.
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VitalSigns posted:Mid-five-figures? No one has been able to actually prove that anyone making $50,000/yr is going to see a significant tax increase. Hey, the revenue raised by capping SALT is going to rich fucks, corporations, and Trumps family. If my taxes going up by ~$4k a year went toward free college or a lower Medicare age I’d be all for it. I don’t want to subsidize tax cuts for the rich.
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Mustached Demon posted:Dual professional income might be able to swing that far. Like a household of 120-150k.
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Peven Stan posted:Correctly figuring out that comfortable, piece of poo poo liberals have been the biggest impediment to progress forever. Please just go back to Jackpine Radicals or USPOL with this stupid bullshit offensive divisive rhetoric then maybe you can feel clever about calling anyone who disagrees's with you a "Piece of poo poo liberals  "I'm reminded of how earlier in this thread we were talking about how new atheists are all ex-evangelicals with very evangelical arguement styles and very evangelical and offensive attitudes when it comes to anyone who doesn't agree with them. I'm starting to think most of these "Liberal hating Socialists" are exactly the same.
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Mustached Demon posted:Dual professional income might be able to swing that far. Like a household of 120-150k.  Of course, that's top 20% to top 10% so we're no longer talking about the middle class by any reasonable definition... Of course, there's always the D&D liberals definition of middle class which is "anyone who doesn't have something the Joneses next door can afford"
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sheri posted:I always itemized because with state taxes and property taxes it ended up being just a but more for us than the standard deduction. It's not just a rich person thing. re just a bit more... they also doubled the standard deduction. Your likely a big winner.
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TheNewt posted:Please just go back to Jackpine Radicals or USPOL with this stupid bullshit offensive divisive rhetoric then maybe you can feel clever about calling anyone who disagrees's with you a "Piece of poo poo liberals Has anyone figured out whose rereg you are? Jealous Cow posted:Hey, the revenue raised by capping SALT is going to rich fucks, corporations, and Trumps family. Good news, if we can take congress we can repeal those cuts and use that money for exactly those things, please show up to vote in 2018. Dear god please vote.
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DrNutt posted:Yeah and it's too bad he and the others didn't die, because instead they were able to continue to vote to strip the individual mandate from the ACA in a terrible tax bill and sentence potentially thousands upon thousands of Americans to death via lack of basic health care. this is a great rebuttal to a point i did not make
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Jealous Cow posted:Hey, the revenue raised by capping SALT is going to rich fucks, corporations, and Trumps family. Great then lets undo those tax cuts for the rich by raising state corporate taxes to fund state universities and Medicaid. Then you could feel good that your higher taxes are being used to subsidize state spending on essential services. Responding to tax cuts for the rich and destroying the government with "starve the beast" with more tax cuts for the slightly-less-rich and more starve the beast makes no sense to me on any level.
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Jan 2, 2018 04:50
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VitalSigns posted:
I think "you have no hope of owning property within a 45 minute commute of your job in the city" is a pretty reasonable definition of middle class
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Jan 2, 2018 04:53
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:I think "you have no hope of owning property within a 45 minute commute of your job in the city" is a pretty reasonable definition of middle class So it is impossible to be middle class in small and medium sized cities, since the commutes are too short?
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:
This here's the big take away. Please make who can afford it pay more in taxes so it's slightly less poo poo on everyone else.
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Jan 2, 2018 04:57
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Trabisnikof posted:So it is impossible to be middle class in small and medium sized cities, since the commutes are too short? Yeah sorry that demotes you to blue collar.
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VitalSigns posted:Mid-five-figures? No one has been able to actually prove that anyone making $50,000/yr is going to see a significant tax increase. I live in a county in Virginia where property tax on real estate is $1.05 per $100 in assessed value. With my home, household income and two ten year old cars, it's true that I don't pay 10 grand. I get to just under 7k. But let's say instead of living in Hampton Roads, I get laid off from the Shipyard and go get (settle for after months of competing with the other laid off people for local jobs) a bachelor's-in-engineering job in Northern Virginia. So now I live in Fairfax County where I'm paying $1.74 per $100 on real estate. My income has gone up, and housing has eaten all of that increase and more. My square footage has gone down slightly and I have no more backyard, but other than that I've more or less replicated our life in Chesapeake with a $325,000 mortgage instead of $187,000. So now I'm making more money, "own" higher value real estate, but I've cruised past that $10k SALT deduction despite most likely having less money to throw around after paying my bills. I'm not an evil "HENRY" or whatever for being bothered by that situation.
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Trabisnikof posted:So it is impossible to be middle class in small and medium sized cities, since the commutes are too short? Oh yes, obviously. Everyone except you likely realized I was giving a bound based on cost-of-living to point out that "top 20% nationwide" can mean "sometimes still middle class."
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:I think "you have no hope of owning property within a 45 minute commute of your job in the city" is a pretty reasonable definition of middle class If that's the definition you want to use okay, but an extra few thousand a year in tax breaks for HENRYs is not going to solve that situation. Even if it somehow were the dividing line between letting a six figure tech worker live in San Francisco rather than a far out suburb, giving them extra money will just result in housing prices in the city being bid up higher because the problem is lack of supply, not a lack of tax breaks for HENRYs. What would help would be higher taxes to subsidize better transit, and higher density housing projects to create affordable housing a reasonable distance from work, but everyone is so obsessed with running a Red Queen race to squeeze out a little more take-home pay rather than solving the cause of their problems. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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Peven Stan posted:Gonna be a lot more rich and a lot less diverse with this current crop of HENRY vultures doing their best to gentrify harlem, chinatown, the bronx, and anywhere poc might find affordable in the city If gentrified areas in New York City are unaffordable for POC how about we work on fixing that issue first?
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Mustached Demon posted:Yeah sorry that demotes you to blue collar. Well considering the extra smugness that comes from living in real America, seems like a fair trade.
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TheNewt posted:If gentrified areas in New York City are unaffordable for POC how about we work on fixing that issue first? Great I agree, state governments should focus on solving those issues rather than spending their time and money trying to come up with a way to restore tax deductions for the affluent!
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VitalSigns posted:How does cutting federal revenue help the poor, I'm dying to know. It doesn't do anything to help or hurt the poor my dude, we run deficits. No, the Republicans would actually have to legislate some assistance for the poor and that's not likely to happen. Bottom line, republicans decided to pay for mega-rich-people tax cuts by effectively raising taxes on middle and upper-class workers by eliminating several deductions... and even then it doesn't come close to actually paying for them, they just needed to close the gap enough so it could be passed on reconciliation. The reality is that not even republicans give a gently caress about deficits or federal revenue.
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Trabisnikof posted:Well considering the extra smugness that comes from living in real America, seems like a fair trade. Best get used to climbing into a F350 super duty.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Good news, if we can take congress we can repeal those cuts and use that money for exactly those things, please show up to vote in 2018. Why would anyone want to vote with the way you're treating us? I'm not so sure you want to do anything but send all of us to the guillotines.
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VitalSigns posted:If that's the definition you want to use okay, but an extra few thousand a year in tax breaks for HENRYs is not going to solve that situation. Even if it somehow were the dividing line between letting a seven figure tech worker live in San Francisco rather than a far out suburb, giving them extra money will just result in housing prices in the city being bid up higher because the problem is lack of supply, not a lack of tax breaks for HENRYs. I responded to the bad post where you said a dumb thing, not any of your posts where you carefully explained a tautology
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DrNutt posted:Yeah and it's too bad he and the others didn't die, because instead they were able to continue to vote to strip the individual mandate from the ACA in a terrible tax bill and sentence potentially thousands upon thousands of Americans to death via lack of basic health care. Lol. You can't possibly be this naive. Someone was always going to vote for it. It may not of been those individuals at that time. But had they died they would of been replaced with someone just as conservative. Good god you really don't know what your up against - how to deal with it - or how to make friends and how it shows!
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Vladimir Putin posted:There is so much blinding anger in this thread. What the hell is going on leftist America? Those HENRY examples that rags like the wall street times throw around are ridiculous and worthy of all the ridicule they get but leftists in this thread are unable to grok that X amount of currency may have different amounts of utility depending on where you live and how well you want to live. And that having a standard of living beyond meeting your basic needs for shelter and food isn't some sort of bougie sin worthy of immediate execution when the revolution comes. You could probably get by on some fraction of X by living like a college student with 3 roommates in the ghetto or in a shack out in the woods and having a 2 hour commute (I did this one myself while I paid off a lot of medical and credit card debt) but that poo poo just gets old. If you have the means to live in a decent house/apartment, in a safe area with good schools and only have a 20 min commute then its a no brainier to do so. But if you live anywhere that has good, high paying jobs, there will be a lot of demand for that and prices will rise accordingly. Since wages have been stagnate for decades then suddenly that $X which gets leftest frothing with rage (which seems to be any amount above ~35K) doesn't go very far.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Good news, if we can take congress we can repeal those cuts and use that money for exactly those things, please show up to vote in 2018. Do you ever consider where you’ll be mentally and politically if the Democratic Party has Congress + the WH and they... don’t do this? I’m not even saying they won’t, at the very least I’m not going to immediately rule it out, but several Democratic senators back in 2016 were working with Republicans toward plans that would lower corporate rates to percentages in the teens. They’ve been more vocal about backing trash bipartisan policies than responding to the party base and if they’ve learned anything this year it’s that they can very easily ignore the public when it’s inconvenient if there are no actually meaningful consequences for a US representative.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:I responded to the bad post where you said a dumb thing, not any of your posts where you carefully explained a tautology Pointing out that households in the top 10% are not middle class is not a dumb thing. Defining "middle class" based on the results of bad local policy which produces bad outcomes for everyone outside of the 1% is a little dumb though, but even under that definition the solution to middle class* problems is not tax cuts for the middle class*, it's better policies that improves everyone's housing purchasing power and would therefore make those middle class* people no longer the middle class under your definition. *rich people in SF but not gently caress-you rich
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gaj70 posted:re just a bit more... they also doubled the standard deduction. Your likely a big winner. Except getting rid of that whole personal exemptions thing actually makes the doubling of the standard deduction worth less to me than the total of itemizing plus personal exemptions is.
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TheNewt posted:Lol. so whose re reg are you? you sound like NSF to me. you also sound like a teenager taking his first steps to political awakening. "heh, everyone else is a naive puppet, but me, I'm a cool smart guy who has this all figured out!"
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TheNewt posted:Lol. Dude, why don't you take your sanctimonious schtick and shove it right up your rear end, how about that?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:the global medium income is $18,000 a year. What's your point.
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RandomBlue posted:Trump is President. Just an FYI. What, the reality TV star? Who's Vice President, Mr Hands?
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Numlock posted:Those HENRY examples that rags like the wall street times throw around are ridiculous and worthy of all the ridicule they get but leftists in this thread are unable to grok that X amount of currency may have different amounts of utility depending on where you live and how well you want to live. And that having a standard of living beyond meeting your basic needs for shelter and food isn't some sort of bougie sin worthy of immediate execution when the revolution comes. If anything it shows that the lefties in this thread want us to live like the people they constantly say are being hosed over by the government live like. And no. They shouldn't have to live like that. But to taking away the ability of people who live better to actually live better does not magically make everything nice because we're all equally miserable. Chilichimp posted:Dude, why don't you take your sanctimonious schtick and shove it right up your rear end, how about that? Oh I'm the sanctimonious one when you're the guys saying people should be put to death for living in a house that costs the price that you somehow have magically determined is too costly. You're the one walking around wishing for peoples deaths in an open forum and bashing anyone who disagrees with you with political epithets. TheNewt fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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VitalSigns posted:Pointing out that households in the top 10% are not middle class is not a dumb thing. You keep demanding people show their work yet you throw around these percentages that you absolutely pulled out of your rear end.
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Jfc income levels are all over the place in the US, the vast majority of households pull in less than 100k/yr. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Personal_Household_Income_U.png Congrats if you make more than 100k, SA has some of the brightest people, etc. But if you want to grow the economy and reduce suffering you make policies that benefit those with the lowest incomes. This isn't loving rocket surgery.
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I work as a tax preparer in a fairly cheap area but I've had a fair number of clients who could be affected by a $10k cap on the taxes they can deduct. If you think it's just "the rich" then you are out of your mind. A train engineer making $90k, a pair of married nurses making $110k, an electrical lineman making $135k, all of whom have houses and college-age kids, are not the enemy of America, friends. Actually apart from nurses and management types, a lot of the people I'm thinking of are union labor of some kind.
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VitalSigns posted:What's your point. middle class can't be 30,000 a year if 18,000 is the average. Or it's just a local thing.
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Numlock posted:Those HENRY examples that rags like the wall street times throw around are ridiculous and worthy of all the ridicule they get but leftists in this thread are unable to grok Stop. Nobody is telling you it's wrong or not understanding these things. They're telling you to quit whining about being taxed as a rich person because you happen to be one. (the "you" in this case may not specifically be you). There's no reason everyone can't find an equivalently comfortable living condition for themselves because the economy is not a zero sum game. The problem is when people with wealth complain because they didn't actually realize how well off they were compared to many many other people. Basically, you are unable to grok that you have a significant amount of privilege and your way of denying it is lashing out at leftists in this, the Trump Thread on Something Awful.
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