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Ogmius815 posted:1. It certainly is a cut in federal aid to the states. That's true even if states still receive the same revenue, which they won't in the long run because: No they won't because this is a federal tax cut. Residents of those states have more money, except for a relatively small number of rich but not gently caress-you-rich people. There is no need to cut spending to reduce the tax burden after a 1.5T federal tax cut. TheScott2K posted:I see y'all are still arguing with the low-information poster who didn't know state income taxes were a thing until like two pages ago. Christ this is like arguing with my Republican family, I can show you all the facts to support my position and you just shut down, pretend not to hear, and scream that the left is so mean. RasperFat posted:It’s hard to see his argument in good faith either. The deduction is taken out of context completely and makes it seem like a defense of the new horrible tax plan. Except it's not, I said multiple times what states should be doing which is raising corporate and income taxes to compensate and spending that money on essential services and infrastructure instead of trying to chase high earners with promises of more tax cuts, and y'all ignore it or i get "that will never happen lol" (hello? That's precisely the problem) or a bunch of supply side bullshit about how we can't raise taxes or it will scare away jobs.
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Ogmius815 posted:1. It certainly is a cut in federal aid to the states. That's true even if states still receive the same revenue, which they won't in the long run because: Calling SALT a subsidy for high-tax states seems pretty untenable when you consider that high-tax states also tend to be net contributors to the federal coffers and low-tax states tend to be net beneficiaries, even with SALT. Some of this effect an be explained by many high-tax states skewing higher on income, but some of that can in turn be explained by better public funding. E: Basically it lets states assume control of taxation/spending without screwing their residents. EE: The GOP state's righters should be all about SALT, but they're not because the GOP agenda is really only about maintaining a burgeoning underclass (of minorities) to exploit. Stickman fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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VitalSigns posted:No response to the WP calculator that proved you wrong hm, typical. You responded to an actual, happening-every-day scenario in which a capped SALT deduction, as a policy, hurts working non-bosses that you didn't know was possible because you thought property taxes were the only kind of SALT with any significance by doing a goal-post shift over to defending the Trump upward redistribution as a whole, and used an opaque tax calculator put out by a newspaper to do so because you don't actually know anything about taxes or this bill. You're taking a discussion about how the new policy is objectively worse than the one it replaced, and trying to defend it by comparing the previous tax code to some imaginary Good and Socialist tax policy that doesn't exist. You're a bad poster and a stupid person.
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Taxes need to be raised across the board. Democrats should not even be entertaining the notion of tax cuts for anyone but the absolute poorest. Dem response to further starving of the dog by the GOP shouldn't be to do the exact same thing. If you make above average income you should be appreciative of that and not be angling for more tax cuts while the country's infrastructure crumbles all around. Yes it's disappointing that a Republican government was elected and that they got to do what every Republican government does: cut taxes. That doesn't mean you get to go all "gently caress you, got mine" just because you're not quite rich enough to benefit from them robbing the country.
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The whole "SALT deductions are bad because they effectively subsidize state government taxation, which is why we are removing them" argument falls apart when you focus on the point that the SALT deduction was only removed for individuals. Corps will still be able to deduct SALT. I guess it's OK for the Fed to subsidize state taxes for corps...?
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CyberPingu posted:That last line could also be said about Puerto Rico Maybe the second last line, but the last line "The US is watching!" I think not. ...Also on Comey & others
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TheScott2K posted:You responded to an actual, happening-every-day scenario in which a capped SALT deduction, as a policy, hurts working non-bosses that you didn't know was possible because you thought property taxes were the only kind of SALT with any significance by doing a goal-post shift over to defending the Trump upward redistribution as a whole, and used an opaque tax calculator put out by a newspaper to do so because you don't actually know anything about taxes or this bill. You're taking a discussion about how the new policy is objectively worse than the one it replaced, and trying to defend it by comparing the previous tax code to some imaginary Good and Socialist tax policy that doesn't exist. You're a bad poster and a stupid person. No I didn't do any of that. I will walk you through the Washington Post's calculations step by step to show you that someone making the median income in Fairfax County is getting a tax cut from this bill, if that will help. You have to be making at least $200k (double the NOVA median income) before you even start to see a tax penalty, that is just a fact. We can go through the math tomorrow if you like, but this is probably a waste of time since your reaction to black-and-white facts about how the tax bill actually works is just incoherent rage and a bunch of ad homs so whatevs.
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FizFashizzle posted:Thank god. What does your heart tell you? 
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It's extremely cool that the President of the United States is both declaring the Justice Department to be part of a conspiracy against him and also demanding they arrest his enemies.
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VitalSigns posted:No they won't because this is a federal tax cut. Residents of those states have more money, except for a relatively small number of rich but not gently caress-you-rich people. There is no need to cut spending to reduce the tax burden after a 1.5T federal tax cut. You know what bothers me about this view the most? The GOP tax plan doesn’t exist in a vacuum; it works in concert with their ideas for entitlement cuts, healthcare cuts and welfare reform. Someone might end up with a bit more money in their pocket due to taxes, but they’re going to feel it when their SSA check is cut, or when their ACA subsidy no longer exists. You can’t be in favor of one without the other. It’s all one system.
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That Italian Guy posted:What does your heart tell you? At this point we should just disintermediate and have the office of POTUS staffed by a triumvirate of Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade, and Ainsley Earhardt, with rotating guest Imperator spots from Jeanine Pirro and Dean Cain
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Well there's the problem, he forgot to include @TheJusticeDept I had to look it up before posting but apparently the Justice Department does have a Twitter account with that as their handle. Just think of what Trump could achieve if he started tweeting at various government agencies 
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A new year and a new stage of dementia, things are looking up
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Unoriginal Name posted:more incoherent than usual this morning
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In my headcanon Trump doesn't put together that he won in 2016 and is the President until 9:30 or so.
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What is "sailors pictures on submarine"?
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Slugworth posted:gently caress you, man. You'd be incoherent too if the deep state was putting lithium in your big macs. I mean, a therapeutic dose of lithium might actually prove beneficial in stabilising whatever mood disorder he has
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Casey Finnigan posted:What is "sailors pictures on submarine"?
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Trump is now his own anime title sequence. JAIL! Deep State Justice Department must finally act?!
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Casey Finnigan posted:What is "sailors pictures on submarine"? Maybe this https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/us-navy-sailor-jailed-for-taking-photos-of-classified-areas-of-nuclear-submarine
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Stickman posted:Calling SALT a subsidy for high-tax states seems pretty untenable when you consider that high-tax states also tend to be net contributors to the federal coffers and low-tax states tend to be net beneficiaries, even with SALT. Some of this effect an be explained by many high-tax states skewing higher on income, but some of that can in turn be explained by better public funding. It's interesting that all of these bad ideas and policies coming out of this confederacy of dunces in the White House are forcing us to evaluate the structure of things more closely. I had actually never been aware of the disparity between how much high tax states like NJ and CA contribute vs. how much is spent. Like you said, it's quite literally the opposite that high tax states receive a subsidy for their SALT; they're subsidizing low tax states pretty heavily
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RZApublican posted:Well there's the problem, he forgot to include @TheJusticeDept Imagine how Fox would react if those agency accounts started blocking him on twitter, I'm guessing fear mongering FULL SCALE REBELLION.
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the man he watch the TV https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948188264858603520
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VitalSigns posted:Hmm yes the "middle class" that pays significantly more than $10,000/yr in state and local taxes. Right. I'll admit I do make enough to either be at the high end of middle class, or upper class (my wife and I work in IT) depending on your cut off. But in Texas we pay $12,000 a year in property taxes on a $360,000 house.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948189482284707840 Really great guys!
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Old James posted:I'll admit I do make enough to either be at the high end of middle class, or upper class (my wife and I work in IT) depending on your cut off. But in Texas we pay $12,000 a year in property taxes on a $360,000 house. In this thread, the middle class is people making between $20k and $40k, and anyone who owns a six-figure home is at least upper-middle-upper class. 
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Slugworth posted:gently caress you, man. You'd be incoherent too if the deep state was putting lithium in your big macs. Who actually does make the president's big macs? Does he have a traveling big mac chef that comendeers each mcdonalds? They can't possibly let the random teens that normally work there make the president's food, do they?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Who actually does make the president's big macs? Does he have a traveling big mac chef that comendeers each mcdonalds? They can't possibly let the random teens that normally work there make the president's food, do they? Wouldn't it be safer to have random teens make it? If a plain clothes secret service agent walks into McDonalds and orders a big mac, there is a lot less risk of someone being able to poison the president.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Who actually does make the president's big macs? Does he have a traveling big mac chef that comendeers each mcdonalds? They can't possibly let the random teens that normally work there make the president's food, do they? They buy them in bulk and microwave them on demand, easier to chew
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PerniciousKnid posted:In this thread, the middle class is people making between $20k and $40k, and anyone who owns a six-figure home is at least upper-middle-upper class. What are you, some sort of fascist? Anyone who owns a car without holes in the floor is a HENRY and deserves the guillotine.
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TyrantWD posted:Wouldn't it be safer to have random teens make it? If a plain clothes secret service agent walks into McDonalds and orders a big mac, there is a lot less risk of someone being able to poison the president. This. It's the same reason they don't use food service suppliers at the WH and instead send agents to buy food in plain clothes. Seph posted:What are you, some sort of fascist? Anyone who owns a car without holes in the floor is a HENRY and deserves the guillotine. Socialists hate rich people regardless of how they acquired their money right? 
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AKA Pseudonym posted:Maybe this Huh. I guess president big boy already forgot that he gave away classified Israeli intel to the Russians last year.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Who actually does make the president's big macs? Does he have a traveling big mac chef that comendeers each mcdonalds? They can't possibly let the random teens that normally work there make the president's food, do they? Trump's Big Macs being sourced from local McDonald's keeps them secure by obscurity the same way Hillary's email server in some random apartment bathroom was secured by obscurity.
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