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farraday posted:Keith Ellison seems to be angling for speaker. I think he might have President on his mind for 24 (  ) or 28, it's easy to interpret his DNC bid and work as building the executive and organizational experience his resume is a little lacking in.
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Trabisnikof posted:They elected Lee Carter because he campaigned on single payer and getting money out of politics. But it took a huge GOTV effort to get that victory too.
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VitalSigns posted:Normally I'd agree, but empathy and humanity appear to have skipped a generation or two so until millenials become eligible it's either old Silent Generation socialists, or Boomer and Gen X trash.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:technically this is true: the less time he spends exercising the powers of the office, the better\ If his golf vacations weren't so loving expensive to the US taxpayers I'd agree. How much is it per trip again?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I think he might have President on his mind for 24 ( Doubt it. You really should have governor or senator if you want to be taken seriously and both of those are up this year in MN and he isn't running for either of them. He also doesn't offer much for a VP candidate, but DNC for funding credentials is a strong resume for the fund raising apparatus you need to lead in the House. I mean he could obviously still declare for Governor, but Speaker seems like it's a pretty obvious target for him ever since he ruled out running for Senate.
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VitalSigns posted:Normally I'd agree, but empathy and humanity appear to have skipped a generation or two so until millenials become eligible it's either old Silent Generation socialists, or Boomer and Gen X trash. Millenials are already eligible. There just aren't any in the spotlight, yet.
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Sinteres posted:It's not ewww old people, it's hey great for Bernie that he's in good shape for his age but this is kind of a job where you'd want to have a great deal of certainy the guy isn't going to drop dead during the campaign or his term in office, or even that he won't be dealing with cognitive impairment or ill health. It's a hard job for anyone, and even at middle age people are complaining about how much less energy they have to stay up late and poo poo. There are genuine problems with an 80 year old president that can't be handwaved away by pretending people just don't like the elderly, and our oldest presidents are prime examples of why. lol shillary is 70 and yet the centrist hacks here demanded absolute loyalty to the clintons
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Kilroy posted:Also for some reason the Democratic ranks have been loving decimated save for a handful of celebrities. Whenever a locally beloved Democrat pokes their head into the national stage the conservative press juggernaut makes up a bunch of ridiculous bullshit immediately to destroy them.
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farraday posted:Doubt it. You really should have governor or senator if you want to be taken seriously and both of those are up this year in MN and he isn't running for either of them. He also doesn't offer much for a VP candidate, but DNC for funding credentials is a strong resume for the fund raising apparatus you need to lead in the House. I mean he could obviously still declare for Governor, but Speaker seems like it's a pretty obvious target for him ever since he ruled out running for Senate. ok, so Bernie runs and picks Jerry Brown as his running mate. they win and both die in office, paving the way for unelected president Ellison unelected MUSLIM president Ellison 
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khy posted:If his golf vacations weren't so loving expensive to the US taxpayers I'd agree.
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Kilroy posted:Also for some reason the Democratic ranks have been loving decimated save for a handful of celebrities. The democrats are an elitist party that increasingly cannot field candidates outside of machine politics ridden urban areas. Unlike the GOP farm league, which has suburban committees everywhere doing candidate searches, urban democrat committees are corrupt as gently caress and exist to give incumbents power and influence. I can't remember the last time my district committee had a meeting, and the officers have been the same for decades. In this environment how are you supposed to develop and cultivate political talent?
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Peven Stan posted:I can't remember the last time my district committee had a meeting, and the officers have been the same for decades. In this environment how are you supposed to develop and cultivate political talent? This is a plus if you belong to the DLC.
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farraday posted:Doubt it. You really should have governor or senator if you want to be taken seriously and both of those are up this year in MN and he isn't running for either of them. He also doesn't offer much for a VP candidate, but DNC for funding credentials is a strong resume for the fund raising apparatus you need to lead in the House. I mean he could obviously still declare for Governor, but Speaker seems like it's a pretty obvious target for him ever since he ruled out running for Senate. On further thought I actually hope you're right, if he can learn the dark arts of armtwisting I'd be delighted to see him succeed Pelosi when she finally lays down her sword. He's certainly got the policy chops.
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Warren kind of shot her chances in the rear end when she jumped on the Donna Brazile book thing and said that the primary was rigged. I mean even after the election Hillary Clinton is still the most admired woman in America and that pissed off a fair chunk of the democratic base.
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7c Nickel posted:Warren kind of shot her chances in the rear end when she jumped on the Donna Brazile book thing and said that the primary was rigged. I mean even after the election Hillary Clinton is still the most admired woman in America and that pissed off a fair chunk of the democratic base. Nobody cares about that who isn't actively refreshing Hillaryis44.com every thirty seconds.
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7c Nickel posted:Warren kind of shot her chances in the rear end when she jumped on the Donna Brazile book thing and said that the primary was rigged. I mean even after the election Hillary Clinton is still the most admired woman in America and that pissed off a fair chunk of the democratic base. Nobody cares about that but wonks on the internet. She's really popular. khy posted:If his golf vacations weren't so loving expensive to the US taxpayers I'd agree. Compared to the damage he can cause I'd say money well spent.
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7c Nickel posted:Warren kind of shot her chances in the rear end when she jumped on the Donna Brazile book thing and said that the primary was rigged. I mean even after the election Hillary Clinton is still the most admired woman in America and that pissed off a fair chunk of the democratic base. That "most admired" poll had Donald at #2, so uh I dunno if you wanna base an argument off it. I'd use the adjective "polarizing" more than anything. Donald's put in a substantial amount of work trying to poison the Warren well too. I know, "who gives a poo poo", except it seems like hate is literally the only motivating force for his magachuds, so drawing attention to her all the time with slurs and stupid insults is actually a pretty farsighted move for such near-sighted pettiness, because his base will buy it. He hasn't done poo poo like that against Duckworth yet, has he? He could be caught flat-footed vs her in 2020, and she can hit him back a lot better than loving Hillary ever could.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Nobody cares about that who isn't actively refreshing Hillaryis44.com every thirty seconds. Jaxyon posted:Nobody cares about that but wonks on the internet. She's really popular. Again, she just won most admired woman in the US for the 22nd time. She still has a sizable fanbase and pretending that no one cares or likes her is gonna mess up your perceptions when the primary rolls around. Pander posted:That "most admired" poll had Donald at #2, so uh I dunno if you wanna base an argument off it. I'd use the adjective "polarizing" more than anything. Yeah, but Obama was number 1, the first time in 70ish years that the sitting President lost.
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khy posted:If his golf vacations weren't so loving expensive to the US taxpayers I'd agree. less than a war.
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7c Nickel posted:Again, she just won most admired woman in the US for the 22nd time. She still has a sizable fanbase and pretending that no one cares or likes her is gonna mess up your perceptions when the primary rolls around. If she's not running, she'll have a lot of sway but I doubt she'll be anything like the deciding factor in the primary.
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I don't care about a poll but Warren is going to be a very serious contender for the nomination. Of course, American Sexism is going to be a very big factor as always. I'm not sure that has changed enough even with the sexual assault watershed, but the numbers of women running and winning recently has me optimistic.
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Nevvy Z posted:If she's not running, she'll have a lot of sway but I doubt she'll be anything like the deciding factor in the primary. Sure, I didn't say it doomed her, just that it was a self inflicted wound. And in a crowded field that might be enough.
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7c Nickel posted:Sure, I didn't say it doomed her, just that it was a self inflicted wound. And in a crowded field that might be enough. No one is going to care, because no one cared however many years ago when the book came out
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farraday posted:Doubt it. You really should have governor or senator if you want to be taken seriously and both of those are up this year in MN and he isn't running for either of them. He also doesn't offer much for a VP candidate, but DNC for funding credentials is a strong resume for the fund raising apparatus you need to lead in the House. I mean he could obviously still declare for Governor, but Speaker seems like it's a pretty obvious target for him ever since he ruled out running for Senate. I don't think that old rule does or should apply anymore. Those roles do nothing to really prepare you for being the president. W wasn't a better president because he used Texas as a stepping stone. Considering Obama's failures legislatively, particularly with the senate, he's not a great example of the importance of being a senator once to being president. I'd rather a small town mayor with a clearly articulated set of values and policies I endorse become president over some moderate senator or governor using the seat as a checkbox.
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Trabisnikof posted:I don't think that old rule does or should apply anymore. Those roles do nothing to really prepare you for being the president. W wasn't a better president because he used Texas as a stepping stone. Considering Obama's failures legislatively, particularly with the senate, he's not a great example of the importance of being a senator once to being president. If the next Democratic candidate isn't a Gov or Senator I'll give you a dollar.
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farraday posted:If the next Democratic candidate isn't a Gov or Senator I'll give you a dollar. The last one wasn't 
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Trabisnikof posted:The last one wasn't Former.
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Aves Maria! posted:No one is going to care, because no one cared however many years ago when the book came out 2 months?
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I was making a joke about how things that happened only months ago feel like ages ago.
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7c Nickel posted:Again, she just won most admired woman in the US for the 22nd time. She still has a sizable fanbase and pretending that no one cares or likes her is gonna mess up your perceptions when the primary rolls around. Please explain how anyone is saying anything like that? Nobody thinks Warren bears any ill-will or disrespect to Hillary and anybody who says that won't be taken seriously.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Please explain how anyone is saying anything like that? ??? She literally said the primary was rigged. They can just play the tape.
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Definitely the best one of these
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7c Nickel posted:??? She literally said the primary was rigged. They can just play the tape. No one is going to care, because the 2020 primary is not going to be about Hillary Clinton. The only possible way it will matter is if, for some godforsaken reason, they make it about Hillary Clinton
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7c Nickel posted:Warren kind of shot her chances in the rear end when she jumped on the Donna Brazile book thing and said that the primary was rigged. I mean even after the election Hillary Clinton is still the most admired woman in America and that pissed off a fair chunk of the democratic base.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948355557022420992 Sweet loving Christ. It's a real time, geo-politcal Dick waving contest.
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