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Outrail posted:I find it hard to believe that any country with the means wouldn't have a clandestine nuke or two hanging around in the basement. If only to do exactly what every other country with nukes does, and a last ditch 'gently caress off or I'll take you all down with me' MAD strategy. not even, like, the only country to get nuked? twice?
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Outrail posted:I find it hard to believe that any country with the means wouldn't have a clandestine nuke or two hanging around in the basement. If only to do exactly what every other country with nukes does, and a last ditch 'gently caress off or I'll take you all down with me' MAD strategy. It’s complicated enough to build a nuke that a truly secret program isn’t easily within the realm of possibility. Even Israel’s program wasn’t really a secret for long while it was going on. We actually have a pretty good idea of who’s taken what steps towards nukes—lots of countries have started programs only to abandon them after pressure from outside, domestic changes in leadership, or financial trouble.
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Making nukes is expensive (financially and politically) so if you're a Western nation why bother when you can just rely on the US to provide them?
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KEEPING nukes is also hella expensive. i think when the START treaty was signed russia saved something like 3-4% of its entire loving GDP just because it didn't have to maintain a ton of extra warheads anymore.
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Phanatic posted:It almost certainly doesn't. You can't build a bomb out of what you pull out of a normal reactor because it's got way too high a rate of spontaneous fission from all the Pu240 in it. Bomb-grade plutonium comes from fuel that undergoes a far shorter period of irradiation in a reactor. Which means that you either build a reactor specifically for that purpose, which Japan doesn't have, or you use a civilian power reactor and have it spend most of its time turned off instead of making power because you need to keep unloading the fuel before hardly any has burned up and then reloading it with new fuel. Oh poo poo is this the real reason they still have so many reactors shut down for "safety and inspections" six (seven?) years after Fukushima?
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peanut posted:Oh poo poo is this the real reason they still have so many reactors shut down for "safety and inspections" six (seven?) years after Fukushima? no
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ur gonna feel owned as hell when the museum at hiroshima splits open revealing the control center for a 1000 missile stockpile
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big time bisexual posted:the time when china almost switched the meaning of traffic lights Sounds like when the zealots and fanatics are hellbent on "Our thing!", the elder/leader just has to wrap the common sense(or status quo) in some patriotic/revolutionary wrapping and BS some symbolism until they accept it. Though lol at the notion of completely defying the world standard for extra face.
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Agean90 posted:ur gonna feel owned as hell when the museum at hiroshima splits open revealing the control center for a 1000 missile stockpile 
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The rumours I heard was Japan could have a nuke in 6 months or less assuming they don't have plans on file just waiting on fabrication. If you are advanced enough which I don't doubt Japan is you can make nukes out of civilian reactor grade fuel and given current techniques it can be just as good as higher enriched material and be deployable all the same.
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oohhboy posted:If you are advanced enough which I don't doubt Japan is you can make nukes out of civilian reactor grade fuel and given current techniques it can be just as good as higher enriched material and be deployable all the same. As far as I know this isn’t quite true, can you explain more? As the enrichment % of uranium decreases the mass needed increases, quickly to the point where a device wouldn’t be deliverable.
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Agean90 posted:ur gonna feel owned as hell when the museum at hiroshima splits open revealing the control center for a 1000 missile stockpile noone cares about brisbane so im gunna be laughin and enjoying the mild temps a nuclear winter will bring
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You enrich it so it is easier to set off with less starting mass which is super important if you don't have to ability to design or fabricate more elegant weapons. You can reduce this mass and size of the bomb dramatically with starting neutron sources, better compression, neutron reflective tampers, geometry, moderators etc. Once you get a reaction going secondary steps can start happening like using hydrogen to massively boost the neutron flux to fission even the normally non-fissile material as it is more a question of energy. Then you move to multi-stage weapons which can be fission/fusion in all sorts of combinations. The key is getting started which reactor grade fuel does make harder. "Weapons grade" isn't a useful label for advanced western powers however is important if you are starting with the Gadget or Little Boy like North Korea. Here are some university lectures with iirc a former IAEA inspector. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVhQOhxb1Mc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnW7DxsJth0 Japan could have nukes right now if they have strong enough opsec as they have all the material they need as well as physicists, fabrication, information to jump start from and finance. Unlike Korea they won't need to do a test as they will have the ability to simulate a device.
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It’s news to me that even the world’s best box of tricks could get you a working, deliverable bomb with material below 20% enrichment. Cool!
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oohhboy posted:The rumours I heard was Japan could have a nuke in 6 months or less assuming they don't have plans on file just waiting on fabrication. For reasons that Phanatic outlined, there's gonna be a floor on how long it would take them. That's based on what facilities they have, and how much material they have to work with. That's where you get estimates of how long it would take Iran to have a bomb, for example. (At least, that's where you get any that are legit.) While Japan no doubt have the technological capacity and expertise to make a bomb, if you see an estimate more specific than "quickly" that doesn't indicate any connection to their rate of refining fuel, it's probably crap.
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If you take note of my second post they already have the material if they have sufficient design ability. They don't have to make a power hungry facility to do enrichment and if they must do so they don't have to enrich by much with the industrial base to do so fairly quickly Your timeline applies to nations (Iran/NK) starting from rocks from the ground. If you don't believe me, believe the IAEA inspector with a doctorate who has been out in the field and could design a bomb. As I said for Japan, rumours.
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I'm sorry for starting this derail on the basis of nothing more than a vague feeling of "sure the Japanese have a drat nuke stashed somewhere", but was positively surprised to learn a lot about how far nuke tech has (unfortunately) come during the last decades. Thanks!
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oohhboy posted:If you take note of my second post they already have the material if they have sufficient design ability. They don't have to make a power hungry facility to do enrichment and if they must do so they don't have to enrich by much with the industrial base to do so fairly quickly You can't make a bomb out of civilian power reactor fuel, no matter how advanced your design is. At below ~5% enrichment, your critical mass is effectively infinite. Japan has a single enrichment facility, and it's scaled to produce 5% fuel. Even getting anything up to 20% (the point at which a bomb is theoretically possible but would still require a lot of uranium and some pretty intense design) would be a major effort.
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What % of these are sold for sex purposes, what % for punishing unruly children and what % for actual interrogation? I assume there's a proportional Venn diagram with a predictable amount of overlap.
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It's true, we can't beat China
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Reposting from the /r/relationships thread: My [18F] bf [20M] disagrees with my parents politically. Argued with them that an event my parents lived through where people had died didn't actually happen. Is it wrong that I don't want to be with him anymore due to this? quote:Hi everyone I hope I'm posting in the right place. I've been with my bf Alex for half a year now. We met during orientation at our university. We are both Chinese-American (born in the US specifically). Bonus: this content brought to us by forums poster "Known Lecher"
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HENAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
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caberham posted:HENAAAAAAAAAAAAAN henan strikes again
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Chomp8645 posted:Reposting from the /r/relationships thread: Not sure what's worse, the dude's indoctrination, or the girl's "this is not a deal-breaker" attitude about it
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Chomp8645 posted:Reposting from the /r/relationships thread: I chose this username in honor of the great Lecher Rene, but it seems like he’s possibly dead now.  Might be time for a new name. I’m just wondering which D&D poster Alex is.
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Known Lecher posted:I chose this username in honor of the great Lecher Rene, but it seems like he’s possibly dead now. The only goon who fits the profile of psychotic Chinese nationalist who lives in California and doesn't see the irony is Pevan Stan r/sino or r/hapas are more likely
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Speaking of Rene, did anyone ever pick up his book? He alluded to his dark mysterious origin story in a comment and I'm tempted to get a copy
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WarpedNaba posted:It's true, we can't beat China China doesn't see color.
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I met my gf when we were both in university in the U.K. a few years ago. She had never seen images or video of the Tiananmen Square Massacre until then, and when she tried to talk about it with some of her fellow Chinese, she told me that they thought Tank Man was an interesting piece of artwork. To her credit, at least, she knew and accepted that it was all real, but she has a background in journalism in China and had already dealt with all that entails for a few years prior.
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VideoTapir posted:China doesn't see color. The shorter wavelengths can only penetrate so far through the smog.
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VideoTapir posted:China doesn't see color. Blindness is a symptom of some heavy metal poisonings 
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big time bisexual posted:Speaking of Rene, did anyone ever pick up his book? He alluded to his dark mysterious origin story in a comment and I'm tempted to get a copy Rene thinks Watergate was a further-right-than-Nixon plot to frame Nixon?
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Why is that girl dating the D&D china thread? She should shame this chinese male.
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I laughed at the Chapelle joke and understood that he's not really saying anything about China, but it did kind of bother me given Tibet and Xinjiang and just the general attitude towards foreigners.
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ok i bought the first Rene Chang book. In the last chapter he talks about his family
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