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Brother got me a resin BEF Matilda from Warlord, and the right-side tread is super bent. How are Warlord about fixing poo poo like this? I supposed they're a little more careful than Forge "gently caress it, send them an entire new model" World.
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Ilor posted:I'm glad I'm not the only one who obsessively paints the black-and-white DAK stripe on their sleeves. Yeah from the beginning I was planning to keep my DAK super basic, but I could not just leave it as a bump on the sleeves. My laziness stops at not doing any insignia or ranks or anything. Might go back and do them later, but for now it works for the tabletop. long-rear end nips Diane: thanks, once I had built them I thought they looked a bit like random heaps (which they were), but the addition of the tufts and stuff kept them together a bit.
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Ilor posted:Sails of Glory is super cool and probably the best Age of Sail naval combat game I've played, but god drat is it fiddly. Controlling more than about two ships at once is an exercise in "make this game take forever." Uh-oh. I just got enough additional ship mats to have up to 6 ships on each side 
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Hi guys just to remind I haven't forgotten about the CoC 15mm bundle sale thing I posted a while back and a few of you PM'ed me about - I've just moved house so sorting that out over the last 2-3 weeks. Class Warcraft posted:Two things: I loving love Pike and Shotte; it is very much my jam. I see it as a slightly more flavourful version of Kings of War. From my brief dalliance with BP I can say it's very similar. Due to the primitive weapons (claymores, halberds, even longbows, full plate mail and bronze cannons) it's alot more flavourful IMO. For those on the fence, think of that scene from Zulu when all the redcoats are mowing down the Zulu warriors; except it's both toothless conscript brits press-ganged into fighting for whichever side rolled through their village first. One of my favourite anecdotes is how the Royalist horse was so much vastly superior it was in a position to win the whole war multiple times, but Sir Rupert couldn't keep his cock in his pants and kept chasing down aforementioned rabble completely off the battlefield. I can wholeheartedly recommend "A Time Traveller's Guide to Reformation Britain" for a snapshot of the period (well, technically a few years after but generally all the same stuff). In terms of rules, the major difference between P&S and something like KoW/KoWH is the leadership mechanic. Each group of units (simply: small, medium or large - left down to you as to precisely how many bases/mans) has a commander whose command value you need to beat by a certain amount for one, two or three moves, everything can always shoot or fight. You can issue orders to your whole group, or unit by unit (the latter being more flexible but risking disordering your line). You have an overall commander who can issue commands to any unit that hasn't already been ordered, or the whole army (I think!).
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Pierzak posted:Tell me more. No reason you can't play with your own minis. You shouldn't let yourself miss the opportunity for fun: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=447114787 Fish and Chimps posted:Uh-oh. I just got enough additional ship mats to have up to 6 ships on each side This is where choosing your own level of grog becomes important. Also, I'd run anything larger than four with a commodore or admiral, and let other players run a couple of ships eaach.
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Colonial Air Force posted:No reason you can't play with your own minis. You shouldn't let yourself miss the opportunity for fun: I thought I saw a batrep of SoG a while ago in here. Thanks for the reminder. The grog in me really wants to escalate to the most advanced rules, but none of us really have the time to game for an entire day any more. Edit: btw I'm very close to convincing the wife we need an extended weekend stay in Bruges, Belgium. That would mean flying to Brussels first, 30 mins. by train to Waterloo. 
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Anyone know when abouts this new SAGA edition is due out?
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spectralent posted:Anyone know when abouts this new SAGA edition is due out? This but also NORTHAG
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Phi230 posted:This but also NORTHAG When I spoke to Will last he said "About this time next year. Hopefully.", and that was... October, IIRC? About then.
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Southern Heel posted:Hi guys just to remind I haven't forgotten about the CoC 15mm bundle sale thing I posted a while back and a few of you PM'ed me about - I've just moved house so sorting that out over the last 2-3 weeks. That sounds very similar to Black Powder, thanks.
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Class Warcraft posted:That sounds very similar to Black Powder, thanks. BP, P&S and Hail Caesar are essentially identical. I think P&S is the best of the books, mostly because they learned some lessons from other versions of the game. The big difference is P&S seems intended to work with point-based army lists while they’re kind of an afterthought in Black Powder. The fundamental system is incredibly enjoyable though- I’ve had a couple people play a game without even learning the rules beforehand.
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The problem I have with the Black Powder ruleset is it seems very much designed with large forces in mind. My gaming group tried it with our "babby's first Napoleonic armies" consisting of a couple of battalions each and it didn't work all that well with so few units to maneuver, and the level of abstraction really grated on us the wrong way. On the other hand, SP2 seems to be perfectly suited for the collections we have so we've switched to that.
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I want to get into Hail Caesar in 15mm, but I know almost nothing of the rules and basically plan on building up an army as a fun project before buying the rulebook. How should I base my ancient mans so that eventually they’ll be compatible with HC?
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I really like the red scarf on the second from the right. It's such a small detail that really pops.
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Geisladisk posted:I really like the red scarf on the second from the right. It's such a small detail that really pops. Thanks! I added it as a bit of an afterthought, but red scarfs seems to have been a pretty common thing in the desert. And yeah, a bit of colour really adds to the look, I'll be ordering some metal DAK from Artizan and Black Tree with scarfs to give the platoon even more of a ragtag look.
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I'm considering starting a Team Yankee force, since, uniquely for wargames that aren't 40k, it has a active local scene here. However, tank parking lots give me hives. Does TY have any kind of counter-parkinglot mechanic? Can I load up on a bunch of SU-25s or A-10s with AT cluster bombs, or something? I'm guessing the answer is "not really", because otherwise the parking lots wouldn't be so prevalent...
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Geisladisk posted:I'm considering starting a Team Yankee force, since, uniquely for wargames that aren't 40k, it has a active local scene here. However, tank parking lots give me hives. Does TY have any kind of counter-parkinglot mechanic? Can I load up on a bunch of SU-25s or A-10s with AT cluster bombs, or something? it's not because the parking lots are a good strategy, it's because the command bubbles are so goddamn short. which you really wouldn't think would be a problem with proper radios and stuff in 1985.  In this picture there's 100 points of russians vs 100 points of westgermans. I have 5 Leopard II, 5 Leopard I, 8 Luchs (because why the gently caress not) and 3 jaguar, plus 4 LARS and 2 Gepard. I probably cheated a lot because reading the rules are for nerds. You can deploy mines and such to constrain enemy tank movements, but there isn't really an area denial AT weapon that i've found.
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Frobbe posted:it's not because the parking lots are a good strategy, it's because the command bubbles are so goddamn short. which you really wouldn't think would be a problem with proper radios and stuff in 1985. I'm sorry but how the gently caress is this fun? It's just big blocks of tanks and everyone is just waiting for the other to move. It's loving dumb as gently caress that infantry has no loving use against parking lots. This is why I stopped playing TY (and all battlefront games).
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Just form your tanks into lines and fire a good volley, then charge and give them the bayonets. You like Napoleonics, right? It's basically the same.
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If you want to do that, play 40k mordians, it will cost as much.
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If there was a FFoT3 army builder, there wouldn't be any reason to play TW. BTW, Northag is going to be closest to what game, as far as rules concerned?
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So it's like hen and chicks but it fucks everyone, not just the soviets?
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Northag is probably going to be closer to the other Battlegroup games, which sounds promising. I'm very much looking forward to using my TY figures in something other than TY.
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Battlefront's always made tank games, flames of war was always a tank game, they want you to put lots of tanks on the board, and the spacing kind of makes it so you get parking lots.
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It's so great to post about Team Yankee and every time the same people tell me i'm having fun the wrong way! The only reason there isn't any infantry in our games is because we've been unable to buy any... I've decided that in order to get infantry what i'll do is get some hueys and USMC. This will give me an excuse to get some Humwees and M60s later because i loving love me some fragile stuff! Also picked up two Revell 1:144 Tornado jets because i dislike the official model.   The wings move! and they came with these Tigermeet decals which are awesome so my enemies will be strafed by airshow planes for bonus humiliation!  In other news, i'm now into ancients due to a 50% off sale at Frontline hobby http://shop.fow.dk/ (perhaps this is of interest to you other scandinavian wargamers? everything in stock is 50% off, anything not in stock or misstocked will be removed from an order)  Hail Alexander! Frobbe fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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Can you recommend any good TY battlereports that explain a little bit what is going on ruleswise? I'm not hugely bothered by the aesthetics of parking lots, what the table looks like is always an abstraction. I just want to make sure that there is more to the game than parking your line of tanks opposite the other guy's line of tanks and rolling dice until one guy is out of tanks.
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What can I say, parking lots just look horrible, and Battlefront is #1 producer of said parking lots.
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Battlefront seems to think that tanks were used in the same way they were in Fury - line them up and drive straight at whatever it is you are attacking. Watching as your mates blow up left and right in their Ronsons.
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Geisladisk posted:Can you recommend any good TY battlereports that explain a little bit what is going on ruleswise? Beasts of war have a good series of videos with the guys from Battlefront doing small intro games and large games. If you've tried Flames of War V4 there's not much different, ruleswise. What's really important is to make sure you're always playing a scenario or mission. BF have posted many free ones and there's some basic ones in the TY rulebook. They really make sure you aren't just two forces shooting at each other across a field. Terrain helps a ton too! JcDent posted:What can I say, parking lots just look horrible, and Battlefront is #1 producer of said parking lots. Why do you feel the need to repeat this every single time a battlefront game is being talked about?
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Supposedly, tanks are generally overpriced as heck. Atgm spam from British Milans and BMP2 spam is the name of the game. I just like the model range, tbh.
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Frobbe posted:It's so great to post about Team Yankee and every time the same people tell me i'm having fun the wrong way! Oops, I was just trying to say I'm stoked for Northag. I have a friend who's also been collecting TY stuff, loves counting ammo, and Northag is shaping up to be exactly what we wanted when we bought our TY stuff.
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moths posted:Oops, I was just trying to say I'm stoked for Northag. I have a friend who's also been collecting TY stuff, loves counting ammo, and Northag is shaping up to be exactly what we wanted when we bought our TY stuff. having played a single game of WWII battlegroup, i'm looking forward to NORTHAG because they really do like all the non combat stuff in those games. Logistics is fun too!
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Frobbe posted:It's so great to post about Team Yankee and every time the same people tell me i'm having fun the wrong way! Hey <3 you're not wrong having fun. I just am bitter with TY and what it could have been - if this works for you then go ahead and have a loving blast! No hard feelings here - just the pain all grognards have. Frobbe posted:In other news, i'm now into ancients due to a 50% off sale at Frontline hobby http://shop.fow.dk/ (perhaps this is of interest to you other scandinavian wargamers? everything in stock is 50% off, anything not in stock or misstocked will be removed from an order) Eerm, do they take orders outside of Denmark? Cause this is loving a whole army for 30 euro and that poo poo is amazing!!
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Commissar Kip posted:Hey <3 you're not wrong having fun. I just am bitter with TY and what it could have been - if this works for you then go ahead and have a loving blast! No hard feelings here - just the pain all grognards have. Sweden and norway are on the countries list when ordering. You might have luck emailing them and asking about international shipping if outside of that area. Perhaps suggest they ship via https://coolrunner.dk/ as that's the cheapest way to send packages from Denmark to the rest of europe. the store's a hobby project deal so they're pretty chill but also sometimes slow.
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Frobbe posted:Sweden and norway are on the countries list when ordering. You might have luck emailing them and asking about international shipping if outside of that area. Perhaps suggest they ship via https://coolrunner.dk/ as that's the cheapest way to send packages from Denmark to the rest of europe. the store's a hobby project deal so they're pretty chill but also sometimes slow. I've sent them an email! Thanks!
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Stoked for Northtag, even when I fully know I'll never get to play it. Checked TTS, no Cold War soviet models in there.
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Frobbe posted:Sweden and norway are on the countries list when ordering. You might have luck emailing them and asking about international shipping if outside of that area. Perhaps suggest they ship via https://coolrunner.dk/ as that's the cheapest way to send packages from Denmark to the rest of europe. the store's a hobby project deal so they're pretty chill but also sometimes slow. Just asked them and they said they don't ship outside of Scandinavia... any chance you'd be willing to ship something along to other countries within the EU? Those deals are pretty great.
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Panzeh posted:Battlefront's always made tank games, flames of war was always a tank game, they want you to put lots of tanks on the board, and the spacing kind of makes it so you get parking lots. It's worth noting the consensus is that tanks are overpriced and you're better off with the various mechanised lists. A brit mech platoon has 2 shots at AT 21, for about the same cost as a NATO MBT, with the added perk that they get a 3+ save against everything. The soviets don't have infantry worth mentioning (largely because TY assault is anemic and even then, the soviets are uniquely terrible at it) but the BMP-2 is dirt cheap and given every other vehicle in TY explodes too quickly for how much it costs, the fact they're less than a point each makes them worth it. The difference between a BMP-2 getting no save against a gun and a T-72 glancing on a 6 is minimal. Likewise, the best DDR lists are dirt-cheap tanks; either the T-55 (in numbers) or the T-72M (in multiple small units), on the basis you're not saving anything, anyway, so why bother worrying about protection when you can buy more replacements? Hilariously both these issues stem from TY being usual NATO power fantasy stuff (or at least based on it); Soviet armour is so terrible it's irrelevant and their skill is so bad there's no point going for anything other than numbers, while NATO MBTs are so amazing they tend to suffer from the veteran panther problem where you're putting far too many eggs in one basket and lose the game if the enemy rolls a few lucky sixes early on. I can go into more detail later, but to say I've gone off the game is an understatement. Very much looking forward to NORTHAG though.
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