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He’s a victim of how bad off lane is now. Leaving the early game with no cs but no deaths is now the goal of any of those off lane melee heroes now, it seems.
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Slardar was mostly being played as pos 4 before he disappeared so I'm not sure the offlane nerfs are the reason.
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He doesn't fit the pos4 meta at all because he doesn't really help the safelane. He also needs to farm his blink to be useful, which he can't use Iron Talon to get anymore.
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I feel like Doom's pretty good right now, he can survive the offlane, farms fast, and even if you're having a lovely game all you have to do is press R on their level 25 carry and probably win.
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is there any dota 2 pro/big streamer nowadays that isn't a loving mongoloid alt right racist you open bulldog's stream, the first thing you see is pepe and him calling other players monkeys; you open sing's stream and, well, this game really has become Trump's Dota
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Sing has mellowed a lot in that regard, at least during the times I have watched his stream. I think getting suspended from Twitch scared him straight
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bulldog is trash and i don't understand the appeal
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Neon Belly posted:He’s a victim of how bad off lane is now. Leaving the early game with no cs but no deaths is now the goal of any of those off lane melee heroes now, it seems. "No cs no deaths" is a terrible, terrible goal for an offlane. You get 25% XP from denies, and you'll most likely also get zoned a bit so you'll be getting even less XP than that. Essentially, if you concede the lane like that and don't even try to contest last hits, you are going to be less farmed than a pos 5 support, and the enemy carry is going to get insanely farmed. The offlane's job isn't to be some inanimate, AFK rock that sits under the tower while slowly working towards level 2. As offlane, you're supposed to contest the lane and force the enemy team to react to you. Sometimes this means you have to die a couple of times in lane, and that's honestly completely okay even if your 3k teammates don't think so. If you can force 2 supports to deal with you while also screwing up the carry's last hits, while also getting farm yourself, the few 200 gold deaths you feed to the carry aren't going to mean much in the grand scheme of things, especially if the carry has to miss out on creep last hits to kill you. I'm not a professional doto player but my current offlane pubbing strategy is to wait for enemy supports to pick their heroes, then picking a hero that can contest the lane against those heroes. I mean, usually it doesn't matter what they pick since you'll have to pick Clockwerk or Earthshaker seeing as everyone else gets zoned, but that's the high skill nature of offlane coming to play there. Although sometimes you can pick Enchantress against a low magic damage lane or a Broodmother against Luna + 2 weak supports and so on.
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TOOT BOOT posted:I feel like Doom's pretty good right now, he can survive the offlane, farms fast, and even if you're having a lovely game all you have to do is press R on their level 25 carry and probably win.
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Also consume has no range and a significant cast time so unless you're trekking out into the woods every time it's a free combo setup if you're using it to offset lost gold
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Looke posted:bulldog is trash and i don't understand the appeal He won TI
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Kawabata posted:is there any dota 2 pro/big streamer nowadays that isn't a loving mongoloid alt right racist There’s some level of irony in using a racist term to describe how you’re sick of racist streamers. Minorkos posted:"No cs no deaths" is a terrible, terrible goal for an offlane. You get 25% XP from denies, and you'll most likely also get zoned a bit so you'll be getting even less XP than that. Essentially, if you concede the lane like that and don't even try to contest last hits, you are going to be less farmed than a pos 5 support, and the enemy carry is going to get insanely farmed. The offlane's job isn't to be some inanimate, AFK rock that sits under the tower while slowly working towards level 2. As offlane, you're supposed to contest the lane and force the enemy team to react to you. Sometimes this means you have to die a couple of times in lane, and that's honestly completely okay even if your 3k teammates don't think so. If you can force 2 supports to deal with you while also screwing up the carry's last hits, while also getting farm yourself, the few 200 gold deaths you feed to the carry aren't going to mean much in the grand scheme of things, especially if the carry has to miss out on creep last hits to kill you. Yes, there’s more nuance beyond 0cs/0death, thanks true. Keeping the trilane engaged is certainly an important aspect of the offlane.
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Kinda amusing that dota2 metagame has evolved into LoL's pre-jungler meta of "2-3 top, 1 mid, 1 in your offlane to harass the enemy carry and force multiple enemies to stay in-lane" Not talking poo poo, I actually enjoyed that developmental phase, it was fun basically going Survival Mode solo against 2-3 enemies, seeing how long you could keep the tower & yourself alive and the lane active.
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Neurolimal posted:Kinda amusing that dota2 metagame has evolved into LoL's pre-jungler meta of "2-3 top, 1 mid, 1 in your offlane to harass the enemy carry and force multiple enemies to stay in-lane" uh its basically 1 off 1 safe 3 mid
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i learned a lot about the type of people that frequent twitch chat when i was in university and they also love pepes and are racist. e. just so we're clear i also love pepes and am racist Radical fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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Jan 1, 2018 17:58
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TEE AYY WINNEr
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Radical posted:e. just so we're clear i also love pepes and am racist ok,
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Kawabata posted:is there any dota 2 pro/big streamer nowadays that isn't a loving mongoloid alt right racist Waga is okay.
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Maybe it's because I play at a lower MMR than a lot of you but I've found offlaning as Venomancer to work really well this patch to keep my CS up and actually consistently pull other heroes off their lane to get me.
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Okay whoever stole the refresher item away from my Tide and used it away from battle as Mirana...good job tilting me.
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Kawabata posted:is there any dota 2 pro/big streamer nowadays that isn't a loving mongoloid alt right racist Khezzu
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Neon Belly posted:There’s some level of irony in using a racist term to describe how you’re sick of racist streamers. underrated post
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"Yes, I want to watch the streamer that speaks only in emoticons"
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ppd is currently streaming playing low priority with his brother and it is fun to watch even him struggle to support stupid pub 4 carry lineups
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Kawabata posted:is there any dota 2 pro/big streamer nowadays that isn't a loving mongoloid alt right racist arteezy
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Minorkos posted:I'm at Divine 1 at the moment. I managed to lose like 700 MMR before the calibrations and I've been trying to undo the damage ever since. You're in luck dude https://twitter.com/LiquidMATUMBA/status/948261338610094082
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ja just pull the lane my dude
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schmitty9800 posted:You're in luck dude https://twitter.com/LiquidMATUMBA/status/948261338610094082 Admittedly I have not tried pulling the lane like that in like 3 years but don't the enemy supports use their harmful hexes and curses on you when you try to do that
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Everyone got more base hp and starts with more regen so it’s less risky and stupidly effective.
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Minorkos posted:Admittedly I have not tried pulling the lane like that in like 3 years but don't the enemy supports use their harmful hexes and curses on you when you try to do that
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Minorkos posted:Admittedly I have not tried pulling the lane like that in like 3 years but don't the enemy supports use their harmful hexes and curses on you when you try to do that There's pretty much 0 penalty for dying in the first 10 minutes and nowadays mid is a 2v2. Offlane has been a 1v1 now in high brackets.
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Minorkos posted:Admittedly I have not tried pulling the lane like that in like 3 years but don't the enemy supports use their harmful hexes and curses on you when you try to do that i see a lot of ppl doing this long rear end pull in my sewer tier games now
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Kawabata posted:is there any dota 2 pro/big streamer nowadays that isn't a loving mongoloid alt right racist waga, promo code bsj, and the perennial favorite merlini
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about 1 gb patch so guessing there is gameplay changes?? perhaps we will see the +2 armour lich has been waiting for all this time
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Smythe posted:i see a lot of ppl doing this long rear end pull in my sewer tier games now This is the first time I've heard of that pull  Edit: v I saw a video of it and edited, but thanks for the explanation! v Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jan 3, 2018 |
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Neon Belly posted:This is pulling the hard camp into the lane right past the t1 tower, right? No. First wave of the game, you walk behind the enemy t1 tower and aggro the creep wave as its coming by and you drag it all the way back to between your t1 and t2 so that it meets your second wave there. Ensures you a full wave of experience without being bullied/harassed by the safelane support. Edit: You edited as I was typing 
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Minorkos posted:Admittedly I have not tried pulling the lane like that in like 3 years but don't the enemy supports use their harmful hexes and curses on you when you try to do that sometimes a support sits between the t1 + t2 but then you can just pull them from between t3 + t2 and tp out if it gets dicey and you still force the lane to your tower.
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pulling it between the t3 and t2 seems to work better and u can try to toss a blue ward or summat in their pull camp on your way to gently caress with it a little more.
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They're working on a Roman-themed hero right now so maybe it won't be another full year before we get another one
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