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I put in a poo poo load of amd calls and Intel puts yesterday, today is like another Christmas. Gonna hold them until Intel formally announces how bad this poo poo show is
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CLAM DOWN posted:People just don't know yet. Ars isn't even covering it yet, I've had to point some friends to the Register link. Give it time. I can’t believe that institutional investors haven’t heard yet. They may not be able to dump entire positions without a meeting or something, but I don’t know poo poo about how they work.
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GreenNight posted:AMD stock is going up up up! Maybe the stock I got back in the Athlon days will actually be worth something again?
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Zaepho posted:I did some work with them. Good bunch that takes what they're doing seriously. Definitely willing to put in the time, effort and money to make things work well. Unless they've moved to Azure Stack, a lot of their customer offerings are likely hosted on Windows Azure Pack with pretty reasonably beefy hardware underneath. Their network design was annoying to deal with but showed they knew what they were doing from that perspective. Thank you!
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GreenNight posted:AMD stock is going up up up! Maybe the stock I got back in the Athlon days will actually be worth something again? This is a wise investment opportunity, like bitcoin
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Jan 3, 2018 19:07
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Enjoy getting cryptolocked by the first Javascript exploit to come along I guess.
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Inspector_666 posted:I kind of hope we get the option to just not fix the issue because honestly I don't give a gently caress enough about securing my home computer against this sort of thing to take that performance hit. Not looking forward to the effects at work, though. Same but vaccines.
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Jan 3, 2018 19:23
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I am so glad I switched to console gaming.
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Collateral Damage posted:Enjoy getting cryptolocked by the first Javascript exploit to come along I guess. Yeah I probably just don't understand the impact well enough now and I'm just being flippant. loving CPU makers.
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Jan 3, 2018 19:26
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Collateral Damage posted:Enjoy getting cryptolocked by the first Javascript exploit to come along I guess. It allows reads to "protected" spaces, attempted writes are blocked before they can interfere because the prediction steps that inadvertently allow reads can't force through writes.
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Jan 3, 2018 19:27
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So it's mainly just a "your credit card has a new way of getting stolen" type thing?
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Collateral Damage posted:Enjoy getting cryptolocked by the first Javascript exploit to come along I guess. Not possible to be exploited via Javascript. Via WebAssembly though its likely possible, so there will still be an issue for unpatched machines.
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Vargatron posted:So it's mainly just a "your credit card has a new way of getting stolen" type thing? I see it as: so now your UEFI (intel ME?) can be my bitch, mining buttcoins and you cannot do anything about it (short of replacing the motherboard). And all because you visited that website that promised you some boobs.
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Edit ^^^ as far as I've seen, nothing to do with UEFI, as it's a kernel exploit. You're thinking of something else.Vargatron posted:So it's mainly just a "your credit card has a new way of getting stolen" type thing? No, it's a fun way to get your "b0xxzor pwn3ds". Full remote privilege escalation from what I understand.
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My home computer is running a Core 2 Duo so I guess I'm safe 
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Avenging_Mikon posted:No, it's a fun way to get your "b0xxzor pwn3ds". It's a 'data leakage' exploit. Which can be the building block of a number of other types of exploits. The exploit allows a malicious process running in a vm (this includes any technologies that rely on sandboxing, like javascript) to access system memory from the host machine. This level of memory access would allow a bad actor to gain information about the host and other potential VM's sharing the same host that would otherwise be unavailable. The information gained in this way could be used as a stepping stone to gain access to the host machine, other guest VM's, or greater access in your current VM. Or a number of other things that I lack the creativity to come up with. e - relevant section of the register arcticle quote:How can this security hole be abused? The Fool fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jan 3, 2018 |
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nimper posted:My home computer is running a Core 2 Duo so I guess I'm safe Pretty sure the Core 2 Duo line isn't immune, it's an x86-64 architecture isn't it?
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CLAM DOWN posted:Pretty sure the Core 2 Duo line isn't immune, it's an x86-64 architecture isn't it? I keep seeing conflicting reports about what is and isn't affected, from everything like you said to just a couple of specific chips in the i series.
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I expect we won't know for sure until tomorrow. Also Ars just released a vague article, probably smart to wait until the embargo lifts before lighting everything on fire: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/whats-behind-the-intel-design-flaw-forcing-numerous-patches/
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Edit ^^^ as far as I've seen, nothing to do with UEFI, as it's a kernel exploit. You're thinking of something else. I'm not thinking of something else, but strictly kernel. If I can get code running with R0 privileges, I can do pretty much anything I want, including (and not limited to) altering the motherboard's UEFI. This bug is just the gateway, the world is open. Of course, this is just speculation as I do not know with 100% certainty what is actually going on. But if the hints that I saw are true, then, well, one can do just about anything (with a moderate amount of effort).
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Jan 3, 2018 20:03
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Ranter posted:AMD stock up 9%, Intel down 6%. The news is spreading. It hit Reuters and is now trending on facebook. itshappening.gif
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CLAM DOWN posted:It hit Reuters and is now trending on facebook. drat you could literally see the sell-off when it hit reuters  dat volume
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Jan 3, 2018 20:40
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Ranter posted:AMD stock up 9%, Intel down 6%. The news is spreading. I bought in early this morning for a pretty sizeable number. Probably going to see a nice return for my efforts.
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Hooray! For once I wasn’t late to the party. I thought at this point news was acted on instantly by bots and real investors, if it hasn’t been priced in already by insiders.
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Yeah, I wish I was in a stable enough position to have bought AMD / shorted Intel yesterday.
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Volguus posted:I'm not thinking of something else, but strictly kernel. If I can get code running with R0 privileges, I can do pretty much anything I want, including (and not limited to) altering the motherboard's UEFI. This bug is just the gateway, the world is open. Of course, this is just speculation as I do not know with 100% certainty what is actually going on. But if the hints that I saw are true, then, well, one can do just about anything (with a moderate amount of effort). Oh, okay. I know there was a thing with the Intel ME specifically very recently, so I thought you were talking about that. My bad.
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Latest test info - https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-more-x86pti&num=1 Most surprising is that this might only be a significant negative performance issue for high IO devices, where the tests on an old laptop appeared to have little performance difference between tests with the fix active and inactive. This really may end up being a server only issue in regards to the performance hit.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Yeah, I wish I was in a stable enough position to have bought AMD / shorted Intel yesterday. right?
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I put a few hundred in AMD, but I think I was a bit too late to hit the early rise.
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Just got an email from AWS about "accelerated maintenance" tomorrowquote:We previously advised you of important security and operational updates which will require a reboot of one or more of your Amazon EC2 instances in the US-EAST-1 region. Unfortunately, we must accelerate the planned reboot times for these instances given anticipated publication of new research findings. http://butt.holdings/
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I really don't think AMD is going to see a long term boost so much as Intel is going to get hammered. Intel is going to have a lot of fallout from this. Affected products are going to have to be discounted to reflect their true performance. There may be lawsuits. Things may get really ugly if it comes to light that leadership was warned about this a long time ago and accepted the risk to gain a competitive advantage. That said, it isn't going to cause the next round of procurements to go to AMD. There's too much momentum in the other direction. So, it's going to hurt Intel a whole lot and there will be some pop for AMD in the short term, but I don't expect that to be sustained.
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INTC recovered to 45. Apple dropped all their gains today and then some. Like what the hell? Who’s sitting there buying intel stock today?
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skooma512 posted:INTC recovered to 45. Apple dropped all their gains today and then some. People who think this is totally overblown and will amount to nothing and there won't actually be a performance hit once the 'true' patch hits. They're gonna buy now and sell when Intel makes the 'fake news' recovery Friday.
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skooma512 posted:INTC recovered to 45. Apple dropped all their gains today and then some. I assume idiots who see a blue chip stock falling and think "these babies only ever go up, now is the time to buy" whom also don't understand the big picture ramifications.
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