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Human Grand Prix posted:I always wonder what the automotive landscape would look like if the Rotary worked... GM was going to put it in the Vega if they couldn't get a 4 stroke to meet emissions standards and had a working prototype. There is some universe out there where a GM rotary replaced the SBC
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Toyota and Nissan had experimental rotaries as well.
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Reminder that this was a thing that existed, and you could buy from a dealership; A rotary bus. The automotive landscape got really boring after the 80s ended, IMO. Not to say that the cars made during the 90s-current are bad or anything but all the wacky poo poo was gone by 1996 basically. Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jan 4, 2018 |
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Jan 4, 2018 23:20
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Human Grand Prix posted:Also I can't recall if it was ever seriously looked at in F1. It must've if only to skirt the displacement rules. Packaging would've been quite neat as well.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Toyota and Nissan had experimental rotaries as well. Look up Soviet rotaries. That's a pretty neat rabbit hole.
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Since Google translation is not clear and I am not a native english speaker: are you talking about Wankel-Engines or the stuff they put in airplanes?
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Wankel engine. I think some of the KGB/GRU Volgas had them but details are sketchy. They made big power on really lovely Soviet gas.
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1500quidporsche posted:It must've if only to skirt the displacement rules. Packaging would've been quite neat as well. Come to think of it I believe they were banned by the 1967 3L regs but I'm not so sure.
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Didn't Mazda have them in their MX-stuff or however it's called? e: ah, you are discussing Wankel in racing. Well, let the oil
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tuo posted:Didn't Mazda have them in their MX-stuff or however it's called? Yup, and there are rumors they want to bring it back.
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tuo posted:Didn't Mazda have them in their MX-stuff or however it's called? RX was rotary but it wasn't exclusive to that initially. At one point Mazda claimed they were going to offer only rotary models.
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The RX7/RX8 is the most well known, but they also had it in the other RX2/3/4 sports coupes, a pickup, the Bus (Parkway 26J), the Mazda Cosmo, and the Mazda Luce/929 sedan.
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tuo posted:Didn't Mazda have them in their MX-stuff or however it's called? RX series. Pretty sure Mazda never put a rotary in the MX-5 except as a concept/prototype.
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Oh and the Mazda Roadpacer, a Holden Commodore with a rotary. What a great idea.
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My uncle had a REPU at one point, would've been pretty neat but apparently the floor was rotting away by the early 80s. Pretty sure the RX8 was a blown up platform of some gen of MX5 and a rotary will bolt right up to the chassis.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Oh and the Mazda Roadpacer, a Holden Commodore with a rotary. What a great idea. I always thought Mazda missed the mark by not trying to market the rotary in a luxury model like NSU did. It's core design concept doesn't really translate to sports cars.
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Mazda also used the Miller Cycle engines and Comprex Pressure Wave superchargers on their diesels. Ferrari nearly raced a Comprex on the 126C F1 car but it was abandoned due to packaging issues, cost, and weight after a single prototype was built.
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1500quidporsche posted:I always thought Mazda missed the mark by not trying to market the rotary in a luxury model like NSU did. It's core design concept doesn't really translate to sports cars. The Luce/929 had one but it was Japan only. Most of their rotary cars ended up being sports cars or coupes because that's most most buyers both domestically and abroad bought when they purchased rotaries.
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Murray said he looked at a flat 12 two stroke in the 70s but the fuel economy made it totally unworkable over a grand prix race distance. Presumably packaging it would've been hell as well. F1DriverQuidenBerg fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 4, 2018 |
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The good thing about Wankel engines is you only have to engineer a single "cylinder". Once that works, you simply add more, it scales linearly because it's round.... ....said no Honda engineer ever
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 Then again, I don't think Mazda really understood what a luxury car was supposed to be.
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Human Grand Prix posted:
2018 williams looks better than expected. looks like they improved aero a lot.
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I like how Mazda teased us with a car that looks like a 2019 refresh of the RX-7 after like a decade of promising they haven't given up on that... Then they announce it's a luxury V6. EDIT: Ford should've killed those chucklefucks.
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The Rotary has always had issues meeting emissions standards in various decades.
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ilmucche posted:Wicka's working on the engine for your next car. I hear it works great in the lab He's got as far as notepad, lab is the next step
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Human Grand Prix posted:The Rotary has always had issues meeting emissions standards in various decades. Actually it was quite good at meeting the 1970s emissions standards, which is why Mazda became such a hot commodity and NSU was able to stave off bankruptcy licensing the rights to build rotaries despite their own engine being a complete dog. My thought has always been that if you had the rotary or two stroke and gave it the same amount of time and cash there was devoted to the four stroke engine they probably would've been the defacto engine of choice for everything. It's not like the four stroke doesn't have some serious underlying drawbacks to it as well, it's just been around longer and there was a vested interest in finding solutions because everybody was already using them. F1DriverQuidenBerg fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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djssniper posted:He's got as far as notepad, lab is the next step It’s in Notepad++ now.
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A bit of actual news came out and you guys aren't even talking about it. Todt is trying to revive the ultraretarded global engine idea.quote:FIA president Jean Todt has resurrected the idea of a 'global engine' that could be used in both Formula 1 and other motorsport series. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-todt-global-engine-concept-992617/ Again, this move kinda makes sense for junior categories or lesser domestic series like IndyCar. But the second you start calling yourself a top level international series like WEC, F1 or, hell, WRC or the new WTCR series then gently caress right off with this garbage. I mean, gently caress, even the idea of BTCC or any series with a variety of manufacturers all sharing the same kind of engine is loving horseshit. Todt, you orchestrated one of the shittiest loving engine formulas of all time for F1 with its ludicrously high costs and basically hatred from everyone involved for it and now you're trying to use it as a crux to get this stupid loving idea into motion? Still not as bad as Mosley's poo poo but he's getting there.
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These engines are good. hth
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1500quidporsche posted:These engines are good. hth They're too expensive so we gotta introduce a world engine. hth
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Wirth1000 posted:They're too expensive so we gotta introduce a world engine. hth These engines are legal for LMP1 already and nobody uses them so it's a dumb idea but the engines are still cool and good. hth
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1500quidporsche posted:These engines are legal for LMP1 already and nobody uses them so it's a dumb idea but the engines are still cool and good. hth These current engines are absolutely wonderful compared to the idea of a "global" engine base to be used in numerous categories while Todt/FIA is trying to use these current engines (which, IMHO, are poo poo) as a crux to push through this asinine idea. hth
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It’s actually a decent idea if you imagine junior series being able to use simplified, non-hybrid versions of the current V6. It makes investing in these designs much more sustainable if they can be adapted for other series.
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A "Global engine" is such an asinine idea tbh and Todt should stand down over suggesting it. The engine needs is completely different for every category. An open wheel category values packaging at the expense of everything else. Touring cars needs it to be cheap. Endurance and Rallying need serviceability. How are you gonna marry all those things?
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wicka posted:It’s actually a decent idea if you imagine junior series being able to use simplified, non-hybrid versions of the current V6. It makes investing in these designs much more sustainable if they can be adapted for other series. This was, to a certain point, possible in the old turbo era and a good idea. BMW's engine was essentially a reworking of their F2 engine.
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I always forget the ill-fated attempt for Group C and F1 to share engine rules. MAYBE it would have worked if the same manufacturers were competing simultaneously in both series but really on Jaguar/Ford benefited from that.
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1500quidporsche posted:This was, to a certain point, possible in the old turbo era and a good idea. BMW's engine was essentially a reworking of their F2 engine. F3 series worldwide use production engines. It's a good idea in junior categories to keep costs low.
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Rotaries have long been banned in F1. They did, however, win Le Mans.
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Human Grand Prix posted:I always forget the ill-fated attempt for Group C and F1 to share engine rules. MAYBE it would have worked if the same manufacturers were competing simultaneously in both series but really on Jaguar/Ford benefited from that. It was in fact so ill fated that it's still suggested that it was all Bernie's conspiracy theory to kill Group C lol
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