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Dapper_Swindler posted:there is a great book on the columbine shooters (its called columbine) the whole thing seems to be that Harris was a ted bundy in the making and klebold was the hanger on sadbrain who was stuck in the mindset of "high school is forever and life is meaningless" and it was original plan was for the school to blow up(the planted some pretty powerful bombs that were poo poo) and shoot the survivors when they ran out and die in fight with the cops. I've been reading that book and it's absolutely incredible with the new perspective it provides. All the stuff about the Trench Coat Mafia and goths, or how they were bullies who snapped and started killing jocks? All false, created by the media jumping on every single rumor and unreliable eyewitness account in the days after the shooting. Eric Harris was a textbook sadist and psychopath, the kind who would have become a serial killer if he didn't choose one big massacre instead. Dylan Klebold was suicidally depressed, one of the very small percentage of those people who turn their anger outward toward the entire human race. Both of them felt that they were a superior human able to see the world for what it really was, but had different reactions to this "revelation": Harris felt that he was better than everyone else and that humanity deserved extinction, while Klebold felt lonely and sad nobody else could break from their self-imposed zombie cages and become his friend. Klebold didn't even seriously consider the murder for a long time and took goading from Harris to really get into it. There was no one trigger for Columbine. Just a psychopath with skill at manipulating people who found someone with similar beliefs and prodded his anger in the right direction to help him with his master plan.
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Jan 4, 2018 21:56
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Bullfrog posted:The school shooter crossover is the key somehow. I'm too tired to fully think through it right now though. The book recommended above is really important to understanding Columbine. Unlike almost every school shooter since, the murderers didn’t claim a cause or state that they were striking back against something they though was harming them, even though the psychopath one idolized Hitler. I agree there’s a genealogy there with the shooters that cite Columbine. I read somewhere that they’re all basically suicides that focus their anger outside rather than at themselves. That sounds like the kind of person who turns nazi as well.
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Jan 4, 2018 21:58
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Bullfrog posted:The school shooter crossover is the key somehow. I'm too tired to fully think through it right now though. It's resentment, nihilism and misanthropy. They had trouble socializing and/or a lovely family background, their anger slowly calcified over the years into deep-seated hatred, they reinforce this maladaptive behavior by interacting largely with other broken people, and voilà, you have a mentally unstable person ready to wreak havoc. For a good portion of them, stuff like Nazis or ISIS is just the variant on top of the chassis. These might be pique your interest: http://jaapl.org/content/38/1/87.full http://sanctuaryweb.com/Portals/0/Bloom%20Pubs/2001%20Bloom%20Reflections%20on%20the%20Desire%20for%20Revenge.pdf
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Jan 4, 2018 22:02
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I'm pretty sure 8chan is more interested in loving babies than making them.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:02
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Jan 4, 2018 22:03
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chitoryu12 posted:I've been reading that book and it's absolutely incredible with the new perspective it provides. All the stuff about the Trench Coat Mafia and goths, or how they were bullies who snapped and started killing jocks? All false, created by the media jumping on every single rumor and unreliable eyewitness account in the days after the shooting. I like how every-time there is a mass killing everybody pretends like there is no possible explanation for why they did it, even when the killers meticulously documented their reasons. The unibomber wrote a manifesto, Lanza has like a books worth of internet posts describing his feelings, the columbine kids also documented their grievances too. This is ignored presumably because it's too sad or something, and more comforting narratives are created.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:04
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Dmitri-9 posted:The real danger with dirty bombs is that they can contaminate an area and essentially make it less safe than people will tolerate. Imagine loving up a few hundred billion dollars of Manhattan real estate for 20 years. that would own
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Jan 4, 2018 22:07
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This Crucible Media guy is a trip. It is either race science, Islamphobia, or calling out alt-lite/skeptic community https://twitter.com/cruciblemedia/status/949006357805506560 https://twitter.com/cruciblemedia/status/947030113811496961 The Puppet Master has issued a correction as of 22:10 on Jan 4, 2018 |
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Jan 4, 2018 22:08
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Bullfrog posted:The school shooter crossover is the key somehow. I'm too tired to fully think through it right now though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0omaQH9wc-w&t=2282s Roger Griffin wrote a bunch of really heavy academic books on fascism and then did some work on terrorism. One of his arguments commented many times since the late 19th century is that modernity wrecks cultures and the "sacred canopy" that gives our lives meaning and purpose. In that void came extreme ideologies in the 20th century. Most of us, though, find less anti-social ways of finding meaning and purpose. (There's a reason I think a lot of these killers are young men who do not have children.) At about 45:00 he talks about the Russian nihilist Sergey Nechayev and compares him to some modern terrorists. Main takeaway with the link between the school shooters and terrorists is that the psychology is the same, even though we don't define the Columbine massacre as political. Their hatred at the world, existential despair wrought by modernity etc. etc. etc. eventually leads to a break where they are "reborn" and adopt this new identity as a destructive (and self-destructive) angel of retribution. They redeem themselves (from their own self-hatred) and also redeem the world from its decadence through apocalyptic violence and so on.    "If human beings are programmed by their bio-history to look for a sacred canopy and a totalizing cause... then people in a particular state of anomie will tend to develop fanatical mindsets." Metal Cat posted:These might be pique your interest: BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 22:14 on Jan 4, 2018 |
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:I like how every-time there is a mass killing everybody pretends like there is no possible explanation for why they did it, even when the killers meticulously documented their reasons. The unibomber wrote a manifesto, Lanza has like a books worth of internet posts describing his feelings, the columbine kids also documented their grievances too. This is ignored presumably because it's too sad or something, and more comforting narratives are created. It’s because they’re white and so patterns having to do with shared features of identity remain invisible. American gun culture sees white rich people as inherently responsible and free from gun crime, so pretty much every gun nut goes all-in on the crazy lone actor narrative rather than confront a truth that would topple their insane worldview. Tv news needs a simple narrative template to organize the facts into for reporting purposes and *bam* after 15-20 years you get nazis in the streets.
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:I like how every-time there is a mass killing everybody pretends like there is no possible explanation for why they did it, even when the killers meticulously documented their reasons. The unibomber wrote a manifesto, Lanza has like a books worth of internet posts describing his feelings, the columbine kids also documented their grievances too. This is ignored presumably because it's too sad or something, and more comforting narratives are created. Columbine covers some extreme negligence on the part of the police as well. Harris' website where he detailed his beliefs and plans for murder (as well as recipes for pipe bombs and diary entries about successfully testing them) was given to the police. Of all people it was actually Klebold who blew the whistle, slipping the URL to someone that Harris had threatened many times (obviously this was before he had been successfully manipulated by Harris into joining him on a killing spree). The family reported it to the police who even got a warrant to search the Harris household, but they sat on it and seemingly just tried to pretend it didn't exist. When the murders occurred, the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department did everything they could to cover up that they knew anything about Harris and Klebold before it happened, to the point of files mysteriously disappearing. It took years for the truth about the matter to come out.
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The Puppet Master posted:This Crucible Media guy is a trip i'm the naked black guy
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The Puppet Master posted:This Crucible Media guy is a trip. It is either race science, Islamphobia, or calling out alt-lite/skeptic community Every one of these propaganda cartoons no matter the creator has a person in a wheelchair to represent degeneracy. I wonder if they are subconsciously mirroring the BK Kids club.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:16
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Jan 4, 2018 22:18
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Jan 4, 2018 22:23
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zeal posted:what is the 'skeptic community,' that's a new one for me They're the "anti-SJWs", the people who were left over after there were no christians left to bash for views and gamergate was on the rise.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:28
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zeal posted:what is the 'skeptic community,' that's a new one for me The Thunderf00t types
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Jan 4, 2018 22:29
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ACADEMICS sargon of akkad
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zeal posted:what is the 'skeptic community,' that's a new one for me Richard Dawkins-worshipping types whose hatred of stupid religious sheeple metastasized into something even more obnoxious and hateful.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:45
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Dmitri-9 posted:Every one of these propaganda cartoons no matter the creator has a person in a wheelchair to represent degeneracy. I wonder if they are subconsciously mirroring the BK Kids club. Is pededexter based on the 8chan guy?
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Jan 4, 2018 22:48
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chitoryu12 posted:Google could use some tuning. how dare the googlers besmirch the first emperor by conflating him with that idiot fraud like this how DARE they
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Jan 4, 2018 23:09
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Dmitri-9 posted:The real danger with dirty bombs is that they can contaminate an area and essentially make it less safe than people will tolerate. Imagine loving up a few hundred billion dollars of Manhattan real estate for 20 years. Hey, if it'll lower the rent here in Seattle....
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Jan 4, 2018 23:26
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There hasn’t been a Taxi Driver / Falling Down type of film where the protagonist is set off by being priced out of their apartment and now is definitely the time for that.
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Jan 4, 2018 23:34
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Jan 4, 2018 23:37
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 2002 called. It wants its Rock Against Israel march back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bw46OizJnA BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 23:53 on Jan 4, 2018 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:/pol/ Mesa - it's all men and none of them gently caress lol
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:
This really just shows that for all their performative masculinity and toughness, they really are just a bunch of effete wusses. Unless the only point is to just "by your logic" liberals (which, tbf, might actually work), the only thing they would demonstrate is that they do want anyone/everyone to build a white ethno-state centered around them because they can't do it themselves.
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Jan 5, 2018 00:25
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Latest drama from the Confederates now blabbing about their upcoming rally in Memphis. These people are loving stupid. Like really dumb. https://twitter.com/don_chump/status/948865049447321600 https://twitter.com/don_chump/status/948865902543597568
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MizPiz posted:This really just shows that for all their performative masculinity and toughness, they really are just a bunch of effete wusses. Unless the only point is to just "by your logic" liberals (which, tbf, might actually work), the only thing they would demonstrate is that they do want anyone/everyone to build a white ethno-state centered around them because they can't do it themselves. Richard Spencer: "Heh. That's right, amigos. What'cha gonna do yeah? Punch me?" *liberals run as fast as they can toward a giant LAUNCH ALL MISSILES button, belly-flopping on it and blowing up half the planet*
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Jan 5, 2018 00:35
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Do people get upset if you post that Echelon-triggering wall of text on 8chan
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Liberals: "Oh my goodness, Richard Spencer is out there protesting against a war against Assad/North Korea/Iran/the world!" Was thinking more of a series of liberal takes that amount to "the alt-right may want a white ethno-state, but at least they're goal is peace, unlike antifa"
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seems like a lot of effort to goad liberals into supporting war when like 50% of elected democrats, at minimum, would probably support any war if you simply asked them why they hate america in response to any hint of objection to the goodness and necessity of murdering hundreds of thousands of people i mean, it worked for iraq at least
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I can't keep up with all this poo poo. This one boarded a train and tried to hijack the controls (to derail it) before the conductor "subdued" him. Looks like he's a card-carrying (literally) member of the National Socialist Movement. "WN 1.0" as they're known in the movement. https://twitter.com/don_chump/status/949061336394330112 https://twitter.com/don_chump/status/949066543064911872 Also quote:In the newly unsealed federal case, Czaplewski wrote that investigators had found videos and PDF files on Wilson's phone of a white supremacist banner over a highway, other alt-right postings and documents related to how to kill people. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 01:19 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I can't keep up with all this poo poo. This one boarded a train and tried to hijack the controls (to derail it) before the conductor "subdued" him. lol how weak must this nazi be to get subdued by probably a 60 year old man with gout
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Al! posted:lol how weak must this nazi be to get subdued by probably a 60 year old man with gout quote:The conductor, and others, subdued Wilson, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRyZvMWaalo&t=179s -- https://twitter.com/don_chump/status/949072828774735872 BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 01:34 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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