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So toxic not even Andrew Scheer will gently caress with ya. https://twitter.com/cath_cullen/status/949105660091928581 Le Saboteur fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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HookShot posted:What the gently caress how is that legal? The idea being over the course of a shift a server will come out ahead even when taking the bills with no tips into account.
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cougar cub posted:The idea being over the course of a shift a server will come out ahead even when taking the bills with no tips into account. Yeah, that's the premise, but how is it legal to deduct from a server's wages to "tip out" back of house, rather than actually taking money from the tip pool (i.e. something that is not part of their mandated wage)?
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Le Saboteur posted:So toxic not even Andrew Scheer will gently caress with ya. "Hunter gatherers want something for nothing! Now let me tell you about the only honourable way to make a living; rent seeking!"
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cougar cub posted:The idea being over the course of a shift a server will come out ahead even when taking the bills with no tips into account. Yeah, but charging employees money based on the number of tables they serve surely has to break some sort of labour laws?
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HookShot posted:What the gently caress how is that legal? it isn't
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I want to go ahead and say that maybe the thread shouldn't devolve into a tipping argument, because it is a terrible waste of time and energy expended between a few people who actually work or have worked in the industry, and a bunch of people who haven't that being said, I am totally ready to get my tipping argument posting on if you guys are
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infernal machines posted:Yeah, that's the premise, but how is it legal to deduct from a server's wages to "tip out" back of house, rather than actually taking money from the tip pool (i.e. something that is not part of their mandated wage)? My assumption is that as long as a server makes minimum wage over the course of a shift it doesn’t matter. Fake efb
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iirc tips, even over credit card, are not considered as paid wages (however they are considered income) - so any deductions a restaurant made from those would at best be garnishing wages, and otherwise would just be straight up theft
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The step before income is where the employer decides how to divide tips out. https://work.alberta.ca/documents/employment-standards-guide-for-hospitality-industry.pdf
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looks like things are handled differently in Alberta then, compared to BC, where the wording is more precise:quote:Non-wages:
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infernal machines posted:Yeah, that's the premise, but how is it legal to deduct from a server's wages to "tip out" back of house, rather than actually taking money from the tip pool (i.e. something that is not part of their mandated wage)? No, but you see, if they want good wages, they have to pull themselves up from their bootstraps and distinguish themselves from their lesser peers rather than relying on some socialist tip pool.
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Le Saboteur posted:So toxic not even Andrew Scheer will gently caress with ya. "Racism will not be tolerated in the Conservative Party of Canada" lmao gently caress off scheer
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CLAM DOWN posted:"Racism will not be tolerated in the Conservative Party of Canada" lmao gently caress off scheer Barbaric cultural practices phone line? Sounds like a Liberal thing to me!
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CLAM DOWN posted:"Racism will not be tolerated in the Conservative Party of Canada" lmao gently caress off scheer Only Dog Whistles of 21 kHZ or higher will be tolerated.
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My stance on tipping is that it feels mandatory, so just include it in the price so I don't have to feel embarassed when inflation has raised my 15% recommended to 21% recommended. I tip my pizza delivery guy 2 bucks and my coworker tells me it should be 3-4 now. I don't have time to think about or put in the work to figure out what is decent and what isn't so gently caress ya'll just throw whatever percentage as a "Service charge" and leave me alone. EDIT: I'm never eating at Sunrise Grill again. I've sized up every manager/owner at every location I've visited and they're all massive douches. I could just SENSE they were exploiting their employees. The body language and the way he carried himself vs the servers told me everything. Glad to see my assumptions are confirmed. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/TabathaSouthey/status/949113630108172291 yeah,
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Kraftwerk posted:I tip my pizza delivery guy 2 bucks and my coworker tells me it should be 3-4 now. delivery drivers aren't the same as servers. usually drivers are still under that 'contractor' bs and have no guarantee of minimum wage, and usually have to pay their own car and portion of gas. not always, though. every franchise is different.
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Kraftwerk posted:inflation has raised my 15% recommended to 21% recommended. Anyone who tells you that either doesn't understand how inflation works or is lying to you. If a restaurant raises prices by 5%, your tip goes up by the same amount. No change in percentage necessary.
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Unrepentant racism isn't allowed. You're supposed to backpedal and pretend to apologize if someone calls you on it.
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So in different news, jobs report dropped. Lowest unemployment rate in 40 years. 78600 jobs added in Dec. CAD gained a cent on USD.
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What do we consider "unemployment" these days?
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infernal machines posted:What do we consider "unemployment" these days? The lack of Kijiji job postings
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Eliminate tipping and commission, force all employers to pay employees a fair, livable wage regardless of performance or whether or not they can trick the customer into the extended warranties.
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EvidenceBasedQuack posted:The lack of Kijiji job postings I guess the proper question is what do we consider "employment" these days
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DariusLikewise posted:Eliminate tipping and commission, force all employers to pay employees a fair, livable wage regardless of performance or whether or not they can trick the customer into the extended warranties. Employment is down 3%, but completely accidental kitchen fires are up nearly 1900%.
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infernal machines posted:I guess the proper question is what do we consider "employment" these days The job numbers went up in December because of all the people getting paid by neighbours to shovel snow.
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There's definitely a need for a meaningful employment metric. As in stable work with living wages.
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Lol at the idiots in this thread being surprised by business owners stealing from their wage slaves like thats literally how the system is designed to work
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bunnyofdoom posted:So in different news, jobs report dropped. Lowest unemployment rate in 40 years. 78600 jobs added in Dec. CAD gained a cent on USD. "Those are the numbers for Canada. What about Ontario specifically?" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
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bunnyofdoom posted:So in different news, jobs report dropped. Lowest unemployment rate in 40 years. 78600 jobs added in Dec. CAD gained a cent on USD. No no, this is how you do it https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948738634722742273
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"Tremendous upward potential" = "We can't fall off the floor"
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We need these new jobs because the powers that be tell me that crippling new $14-$15/hour minimum wages are going to kill 60,000 jobs across the country. My favourite part was reading comments that minimum wage increases are pointless because they will push up rents and prices of basic goods. This was in reference to an article predicting that inflation would rise by a whopping 0.1% as a result of minimum wage hikes. Supposedly, increasing minimum wages won't have much of an impact on poverty because most minimum wage earners are young people in relatively well-off families. Nonetheless, I haven't seen a single compelling argument for why minimum wages should be well below a living wage, as they are in many places now.
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eXXon posted:We need these new jobs because the powers that be tell me that crippling new $14-$15/hour minimum wages are going to kill 60,000 jobs across the country. The minimum wage will make some jobs unviable, but also raise the incomes of far more workers. In Ontario 29.4 percent of workers in 2014 were minimum wage workers, based on estimates the hike will cost anywhere from 30k to 100k jobs. (No one actually knows) No matter how you look at the math more people are benefiting from the hikes. https://www.policyalternatives.ca/newsroom/news-releases/low-wage-work-skyrocketing-ontario-study If there isn't enough surplus value in someone's hourly labour to make it to 14$ an hour then the position probably shouldn't exist anyways. If you are going to tackle income inequality that has been the structural trend in the west for the last few decades (largely a consequence of technology an automation) you're going to need to make policy to alleviate that or society is going to suck. I think what we are seeing in the social media domain are people with contrarian brain patterns feeling personal gratification by advocating the status quo over change. Grammar-Bolshevik fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jan 5, 2018 |
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"The loss of 60,000 jobs" out of how many? A hundred thousand? A million? Ten?
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eXXon posted:We need these new jobs because the powers that be tell me that crippling new $14-$15/hour minimum wages are going to kill 60,000 jobs across the country. My main problem is the sense from government that they're dusting their hands off and going "job well done" as if giving people a little more income is all they need but the government won't do anything about the expenses side of the equation that can and will crush people even with a couple more bucks and hour, like the sad joke of housing non-affordability or food costs or public transit fares or banks nickel-and-diming customers or energy costs, etc.
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eXXon posted:Nonetheless, I haven't seen a single compelling argument for why minimum wages should be well below a living wage, as they are in many places now. Here: I'm wearing all sweat shop clothing typing this on a phone made by a 8 year old chinese child working 15 hour shifts while drinking coffee made from beans picked by 3rd world non unionized indentured servants. There is no canadian identity or culture and nationalism would be racist so I just care about my fellow canadians the same as those people and I don't want to pay more because my pickup truck payments are killing me. Also, I can't taste the difference between cage eggs and free range. I am canadian.
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