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Hmm my various media feeds are only giving me the fan theory that Snoke orchestrated his own betrayal, because the scars are bigger or smaller on his head in TLJ vs TFA, and the pit in his jaw is deeper or shallower. No, that doesn't at all sound like some angry turbonerd pissed off that all their fantasizing about Snoke being some super ancient and powerful EU dark lord was thrown back in their faces, it's a ruse!!1 (Watch as JJ u-turns this around and Snoke comes back in IX as the REAL baddy the 'fans' 'wanted'). Oh, shazbot, new page. Here, Snoke's true identity: 
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Who eats a pear like that?
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Jan 5, 2018 12:43
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I remember in like the TFA artbook them saying something like 'Snoke was supposed to be handsome from some angles and horrible from others' but in TFA he looks like Gary Oldman's character from Hannibal. There were moments in TLJ, however, where it felt like they actually nailed the concept correctly. But he looks very different. And lol @ that theory. Guys, here's my ESB theory: Vader is Luke's father, wow!
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Jan 5, 2018 12:56
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Milky Moor posted:And lol @ that theory. Guys, here's my ESB theory: Vader is Luke's father, wow! I'm probably misunderstanding you, but if you're suggesting that the reveal of Snoke orchestrating his own betrayal, and then his returning is inevitable, IX will sadly be worse off for it.
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Jan 5, 2018 13:03
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Lol, in Lucas’ version, Snoke was named “Uber”. I mean, it’s not better (or worse) than “Snoke”. But it is more Lucas.
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Jan 5, 2018 13:25
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It is more evil
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Jan 5, 2018 13:32
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thrawn527 posted:Lol, in Lucas’ version, Snoke was named “Uber”. not only did lucas know 9/11 was an inside job before it even happened, he predicted the evil of the gig economy
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Jan 5, 2018 13:34
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Blue Star posted:Eeew Nobody wants to read your terrible fan fiction
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thrawn527 posted:Lol, in Lucas’ version, Snoke was named “Uber”. That's far more prophetic naming for a villain, so he's already leagues ahead of "Snoke."
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Jan 5, 2018 15:28
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Steve Bannon is a George Lucas who fell to the dark side.
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Jan 5, 2018 15:40
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George Lucas is great. He a big teddy bear full of weird ideas who generally wants to do good in the world and gives lots of money to charity. Sold the thing he worked his whole life on for a song to make nerds happy since they hated him, giving the money to charity. They then proceeded to hate him even more and make videos about how he actually never did anything and it was all other people. Not gonna feel sorry for him cause he's rich and had everything he could ever want, but I like him.
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Jan 5, 2018 16:02
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 How can anyone hate on this big goober? 
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Jan 5, 2018 16:09
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He's fine. I certainly agree that The Star Wars was more a success of collaboration than a singular auteur (as partially evidenced by the damage done by his revisiting to tweak it closer to "his vision") and think that the prequels are bad, bad cinema whatever contrarian opinion this forum can cook up. But the deep and visceral hate for the guy because some of his movies didn't land for ya is weird. He's a goofy dude who just made some movies about laser swords and robots. Hollywood is full of sex perverts and psychopaths who actually deserve our hate.
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Jan 5, 2018 16:21
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I like his weird bad movies almost more than the good ones. Willow, Howard the Duck, there's just so much interesting and crazy stuff going on in them. He's like a more talented slightly less crazy Dan Akroyd. Though some people including myself think Willow is legit great, this is apparently a minority opinion.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I like his weird bad movies almost more than the good ones. Willow, Howard the Duck, there's just so much interesting and crazy stuff going on in them. He's like a more talented slightly less crazy Dan Akroyd. I love Willow, even if some of the effects haven't aged well. Val Kilmer is a good actor when he's enjoying the role, and he's having the time of his loving life as Madmartigan.
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I liked Willow a lot as a kid and then gradually had a less rosy opinion of it as I read more and discovered it was pretty much a direct ripoff of Lord of the Rings. I do have lots of nostalgia for those grimy 80s fantasy movies though. Labyrinth, the Dark Crystal, the Neverending Story, and Willow all had that unique blend of the fantastical and the frightening.
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Jan 5, 2018 16:50
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:He's fine. I certainly agree that The Star Wars was more a success of collaboration than a singular auteur (as partially evidenced by the damage done by his revisiting to tweak it closer to "his vision") Episodes I-VI are more the success of a single auteur than the overwhelming majority of the films you've seen in your entire life. Hope this helps!
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exquisite tea posted:I liked Willow a lot as a kid and then gradually had a less rosy opinion of it as I read more and discovered it was pretty much a direct ripoff of Lord of the Rings. I do have lots of nostalgia for those grimy 80s fantasy movies though. Labyrinth, the Dark Crystal, the Neverending Story, and Willow all had that unique blend of the fantastical and the frightening. It has a ton of similarities to LOTR in it's setting and some of the races (as pretty much all "high fantasy" does), but the plot really has nothing to do with LOTR, beyond "short guy from small village conquers evil and is helped by a human and a wizard", so calling it a "direct ripoff" feels like a bit much. Willow is nothing like Frodo beyond height and his home village, Madmartigan is nothing like Aragon or Boromir, there are no Elves, Dwarfs, or Orcs, and the plot of "child destined to destroy the evil ruler must be protected" has no real analogue in LOTR. I guess the Brownies are kind of like Merry and Pippin, but there is no Samwise.
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Willow is legally distinct enough from LoTR for me. I mean, it's just the one Hobbit, there's no ring, The Hobbit is a wizard instead of a theif, the villain doesn't bear much resemblance to Sauron, there's no elves, no huge armies battling.
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Okay but, it's just the Lord of the Rings.
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I think I've read enough legit ripoffs of LOTR (the first Shannara book, for example) that Willow stands out as plenty different for me.
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Jan 5, 2018 17:07
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Lord of the Rings borrows from from Sigurd the Volsung anyway.
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Willow is pretty good.
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exquisite tea posted:I liked Willow a lot as a kid and then gradually had a less rosy opinion of it as I read more and discovered it was pretty much a direct ripoff of Lord of the Rings. I do have lots of nostalgia for those grimy 80s fantasy movies though. Labyrinth, the Dark Crystal, the Neverending Story, and Willow all had that unique blend of the fantastical and the frightening. Wild that canonically Willow and Cocoon will now be incorporated into the Star Wars Universe
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homullus posted:Episodes I-VI are more the success of a single auteur than the overwhelming majority of the films you've seen in your entire life. Hope this helps! This is a pretty reckless thing to say. What if this guy spends most of his movie-watching time with Maya Deren and Derek Jarman movies? Then you'd be wrong!
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CountFosco posted:This is a pretty reckless thing to say. What if this guy spends most of his movie-watching time with Maya Deren and Derek Jarman movies? Then you'd be wrong! Never tell me the odds! Also, there's a good chance somebody will tell Han Solo the odds in his upcoming movie. Perhaps their doing so will appear to jinx him.
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CountFosco posted:This is a pretty reckless thing to say. What if this guy spends most of his movie-watching time with Maya Deren and Derek Jarman movies? Then you'd be wrong! Yeah jokes on you I just watch Doom House on repeat; doesn't get much more auteur than that.
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Yeah jokes on you I just watch Doom House on repeat; doesn't get much more auteur than that. I had a friend who loved Doom House and would watch and quote it all the time. It was my first introduction to SA so I can't hate the guy, but man, I really hated that guy.
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Gonz posted:Well THERE’S a theory. I think it's correct that Kylo is manipulative, but at the same time I don't think he had this all planned out in a journal somewhere. He's reflexively manipulative because that's in his nature. That's the dark side, just as Rey's essential goodness and empathy is the light. Kylo's inner conflict/inner light that Rey sees isn't a lie, it just proves to be irrelevant. Kylo is defined by his actions, not by how he feels about them.
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General Dog posted:Rey's essential goodness and empathy
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J_RBG posted:Wild that canonically Willow and Cocoon will now be incorporated into the Star Wars Universe They put some willow stuff in the Star Wars Databank as an April fools joke back in like 2004.
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UmOk posted:I heard Master Yoda talking about intellectuals, I was wondering, what are intellectuals? They are an ancient race that lived on the forest moon of Morriwa. You can see a picture of one in the taijitu in the Jedi Temple in TLJ. Snoke is one of the last surviving members of their race, because they invented the Sith when they got too powerful. It's like you don't even read the comics!
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Serf posted:yeah i read this when it came out and it owned Is it still around anywhere?
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CassandraSupreme posted:Is it still around anywhere? looks like you can pick up the trade paperback on amazon
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George Lucas is the kind of guy who has some really interesting big picture and world building ideas. The love/hate on him is just because internet scifi fans can be some of the biggest babies and can't put entertainment into any context. BUT, for the love of god needs an actual screenwriter to do the dialogue and make the story fit in together.
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Dialog in the prequels was fine. A new hope was distracting because the actors were trying to be too naturalistic with the unnatural lines. He did a much better job directing the actors in the prequels and in RoTj to be flatter in their delivery and it worked much better. Imho of course.
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unlawfulsoup posted:George Lucas is the kind of guy who has some really interesting big picture and world building ideas. The love/hate on him is just because internet scifi fans can be some of the biggest babies and can't put entertainment into any context. Yeah I think after ANH was almost a disaster he should've just stuck to the story treatment role and let others direct and pull a script together. It worked pretty well when he did that (ESB, Raiders).
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Not even the younglings survived.
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Steve2911 posted:Yeah I think after ANH was almost a disaster he should've just stuck to the story treatment role and let others direct and pull a script together. It worked pretty well when he did that (ESB, Raiders). Oh, are we back on the “ANH was a terrible mess that was saved by the edit” thing again?
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