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Instant Sunrise posted:an establishment dem: "oh I totally support single-payer healthcare. absolutely. definitely. just not that specific single payer proposal. or that one. or that other one. or that one. or really any specific single-payer proposal. but I totally support single payer" They were the same way about civil rights: "I think they deserve full equality, society just isn't ready for it yet, why are they marching and agitating that only hurts their cause"
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Peven Stan posted:They were the same way about civil rights: "I think they deserve full equality, society just isn't ready for it yet, why are they marching and agitating that only hurts their cause" "Progressive" "Centrist" "Leftist" are all names white people use to blame each other for poo poo while not doing anything about white supremacy, so don't drag the Civil Rights movement into your leftist pissing contests cause it aint got poo poo to do with yall
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Fluffdaddy posted:"Progressive" "Centrist" "Leftist" are all names white people use to blame each other for poo poo while not doing anything about white supremacy, so don't drag the Civil Rights movement into your leftist pissing contests cause it aint got poo poo to do with yall
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Fluffdaddy posted:"Progressive" "Centrist" "Leftist" are all names white people use to blame each other for poo poo while not doing anything about white supremacy, so don't drag the Civil Rights movement into your leftist pissing contests cause it aint got poo poo to do with yall Yes, when I read Du Bois "Africa in battle against colonialism, racialism, imperialism" or Robert F Williams or MLK's "Beyond Vietnam" or Harry Haywood, that is exactly the idea that I get.
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joepinetree posted:Yes, when I read Du Bois "Africa in battle against colonialism, racialism, imperialism" or Robert F Williams or MLK's "Beyond Vietnam" or Harry Haywood, that is exactly the idea that I get. Here are some black people I read, checkmate  . I read some niggas and this nigga doesn't know his niggas like i know his niggas.My point was that using "they" when talking about "The establishment dem" or "Centrist" or whatever is missing the point of their objections to Civil Rights issues. It has nothing to do with their political philosophy, but their adherence to whiteness.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Here are some black people I read, checkmate Political philosophy can't be entirely divorced from someone's adherence to white supremacy
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unwantedplatypus posted:Political philosophy can't be entirely divorced from someone's adherence to white supremacy But I am making the case that white supremacy has and always will override political philosophy for most white Americans all over the spectrum. Hell, go to Twitter and go into the mentions of any prominent black person (especially a black woman) and you will see roses and right wingers alike letting their racism out on full display.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Here are some black people I read, checkmate Well, considering that you clearly didn't read them, I'd take whatever else you have say about the civil rights movement with a massive grain of salt.
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joepinetree posted:Well, considering that you clearly didn't read them, I'd take whatever else you have say about the civil rights movement with a massive grain of salt. I did read them you loving piece of poo poo. You know we read right? Fluffdaddy fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Fluffdaddy posted:I did read them you loving piece of poo poo. Clearly. Because that is the clear message that they were sending in those articles " your leftism versus establishment battles have nothing to do with US, just like the US being the only developed country without single payer has nothing to do with white supremacy. Now watch as I go visit Mao, Fidel or Che." Edit: I also love your deeply dishonest edit where you use the "we" to try to make this about something more than me calling you dishonest and ignorant. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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joepinetree posted:Clearly. Why are y'all like this? Y'all think cause you read some books about black folks and our movement and struggle and now all of a sudden you are a god drat expert that overrides actual blackness. gently caress you.
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joepinetree posted:Clearly. Because that is the clear message that they were sending in those articles " your leftism versus establishment battles have nothing to do with US, just like the US being the only developed country without single payer has nothing to do with white supremacy. Now watch as I go visit Mao, Fidel or Che." The US means us, as in black people, not the United States you dipshit. Those battles had little to do with black folks and was one of the biggest parts of why the civil rights movement got pushed so hard. Work programs and other labor movements were not extending to black communities. Fluffdaddy fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Fluffdaddy posted:The US means us, as in black people, not the United States you dipshit I don't even know what you are replying to. You didn't use US in any of your posts. But it is absolutely clear that you never read any of the works I cited, and you know it because you clearly don't want to engage any of them.
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joepinetree posted:I don't even know what you are replying to. You didn't use US in any of your posts. But it is absolutely clear that you never read any of the works I cited, and you know it because you clearly don't want to engage any of them. I read Negro Liberation, and yes Haywood ties the Marxist philosophy into the black power movement. None of these things have to do with my point. White leftist movements in this country have consistently been hesitant to include black folks and usually when concessions are made by the government through the parties, black folks are entirely excluded or are used as scapegoats. Edit: A whole rear end article about leftist movements and white folks posted:Prior to founding of the Communist Party USA, the Socialist Party was the dominant organization of the U.S. left. The right wing of the Party was seriously infected with white chauvinism and national chauvinism. Right-wing leaders of the Socialist Party refused to oppose (or openly supported) the ‘whites only’ restrictions that existed in a number of trade unions. The worst elements of the Socialist Party excused and soft-pedaled the lynching of Blacks, which had grown to epidemic proportions in the U.S. South. Not surprisingly, many of these same right-wing leaders of the Socialist Party would emerge as supporters of the first imperialist world war and still later show themselves to be fervent opponents of the Soviet Union. Fluffdaddy fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Fluffdaddy posted:I read Negro Liberation, and yes Haywood ties the Marxist philosophy into the black power movement. None of these things have to do with my point. This is only remotely true if you think that "the left" is democratic party or the socialist party, which undercuts your entire premise. Also, I like how the article you quote undermines your own point, and that you are dishonest enough not to link to the original article because you know the rest of it undermines your own post. Here's the link: http://frso.org/wp/the-third-international-and-the-struggle-for-a-correct-line-on-the-african-american-national-question/ Specially: quote:As for African Americans, the 1930 resolution states:
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That article also leaves out the Communist abandoning Haywood in the late 50's, and the black movement completely in 1959, which ironically is when it really started popping off. Granted they got Angela Davis on board in the late 60s but then has done jack poo poo since. Quit assigning agendas to the words that I type fuckhead. Edit: Socialist ARE the left in the United States. Communists are practically non-existent. Fluffdaddy fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Fluffdaddy posted:That article also leaves out the Communist abandoning Haywood in the late 50's, and the black movement completely in 1959, which ironically is when it really started popping off. Granted they got Angela Davis on board in the late 60s but then has done jack poo poo since. Oh my loving god. Do you not read even the articles you yourself quote? The Socialist Party is a specific organization. One which, as your own loving article states, split into the Communist Party in 1919 (meaning that it was the dominant force on the left only from 1901 to 1919). From which point the Communist Party was the main leftwing organization in the US until the late 50s with the multiple revisionism/anti-revisionism splits and the crack down from the red scare. Nothing to do with whether people are socialists or communists. I am sorry, but I am done. It's clear you don't know what you are talking about and will just try to find something to quote, while hiding the link because you know it proves you are full of poo poo. For anyone else interested, I highly recommend the book Hammer and Hoe, or if you just want the gist: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123771194 joepinetree fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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lol the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy? What does that even do?
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Lightning Knight posted:lol the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy? What does that even do? Staff assistant and advisor to the secretary of defense. Mattis probably picked him.
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Lightning Knight posted:lol the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy? What does that even do? Bad stuff. Ever heard of Doug Feith?
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While it’s true that the left (and for this, I also include the leftward portion of the Democratic Party) is better on racial issues than the right, it behooves white people to remember their inherent racism and listen and respond thoughtfully to the voices of people of color.
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Majorian posted:Bad stuff. No actually but now I looked him up and yeah he's pretty bad.
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Democrazy posted:While it’s true that the left (and for this, I also include the leftward portion of the Democratic Party) is better on racial issues than the right, it behooves white people to remember their inherent racism and listen and respond thoughtfully to the voices of people of color. you actually shouldnt just listen to people and avoid questioning anything they say because of the color of their skin. thats actually bad to do
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Majorian posted:Bad stuff. Yeah Jim “I make concerns” Mattis boosting a Raytheon/ Lockheed Martin stooge doesn’t really say good things on the whole. If nothing else, a completely fungible executive with almost no agency of its own does one hell of a job revealing the actual priorities of people in our government.
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Under the vegetable posted:you actually shouldnt just listen to people and avoid questioning anything they say because of the color of their skin. thats actually bad to do That's also not what they said to do.
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Lightning Knight posted:That's also not what they said to do. its pretty good general advice
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Democrazy posted:While it’s true that the left (and for this, I also include the leftward portion of the Democratic Party) is better on racial issues than the right, it behooves white people to remember their inherent racism and listen and respond thoughtfully to the voices of people of color. Oh, i agree. Which is why on the topic of the relationship between the civil rights movement and the left i like to read what the actual people living the civil rights movement had to say, as opposed to whatever whitewashed nonsense you find online. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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White people sucked 100 years ago. White people sucked 50 years ago. White people suck now. Kill all white people, for sure, but if you want my advice you should kill all the leftist whites last, because in the meantime most of us will help you out with the other ones before politely putting our head under the guillotine for you.
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I too support kayfabe white genocide.
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Kilroy posted:White people sucked 100 years ago. White people sucked 50 years ago. White people suck now. Kill all white people, for sure, but if you want my advice you should kill all the leftist whites last, because in the meantime most of us will help you out with the other ones before politely putting our head under the guillotine for you. This is unbelievably fuckin lame lol. The ultimate in useless online performative poo poo to try to get blowjobs.
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uhhh im a white man *blades forehead like ric flair and flops around on the ground* kill me right now white genocide now this is praxis please let me into your club im not cointelpro *pees straight up into the air*
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Under the vegetable posted:uhhh im a white man *blades forehead like ric flair and flops around on the ground* kill me right now white genocide now this is praxis please let me into your club im not cointelpro *pees straight up into the air*
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yeah well the blowjob I got for making that post was fantastic so... worth it
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I'm stuck on the information super highway, and all everyone's left their virtue signals on. You can't all merge to the pat-your-self-on-the-shoulder!
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gnashing of teeth... so did 39 other Democrats. Not every appointee is a hack bitch and Mattis probably provided the name for nomination anyway.
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Under the vegetable posted:uhhh im a white man *blades forehead like ric flair and flops around on the ground* kill me right now white genocide now this is praxis please let me into your club im not cointelpro *pees straight up into the air* this, but unironically
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Chilichimp posted:gnashing of teeth... so did 39 other Democrats. That’s sort of a problem in and of itself, though. We get to gawk at the freaks and cretins but the really awful actors in the future are just going to get this ‘meh’ like the early days of Gorsuch and no one will think twice about what’s happening. Dick Cheney’s eviler twin could get installed into the VA and ‘purity test’ would crop up now that Barry Goldwater’s become our barometer.
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Yet it feels weird to go after Doug Jones of all people when that list of 39 names includes people who are much easier to squeeze or primary out like multiple senators from eternally blue states (MD, DE, HI, etc.) On the other hand, the NAYs are probably a good indicator of who's thinking of a run in 2020: Booker (D-NJ) Gillibrand (D-NY) Harris (D-CA) Markey (D-MA) Sanders (I-VT) Warren (D-MA) Wyden (D-OR) We just need to get this effect to work on Senators who want to get re-elected, not just Senators who want to run for President.
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Kilroy posted:yeah well the blowjob I got for making that post was fantastic so... worth it I love when people say dumb poo poo like "you're just saying that to get people to like you" yeah.. people tend to like you when you aren't a racist/sexist shitrag. It's one of those statements that reveals so much about the person saying it. Especially when it's used against a genuine anti-racist post (not like Kilroy's venting). They're so unconsciously racist they can't even imagine another yt who actually gives a gently caress about black folks. It's completely improbable and alien to them, so it must be some kind of scam. Anyone remember when we used to get a lot of posts like that in the Negrotown thread when it was still in D&D? That poo poo was wild. 
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