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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You’re looking at things backwards: what kind of people would chose to import food from the other side of the galaxy rather than use their land for farming? Rich people. If they're so rich, there should be a ton of local cottage farms raising local-grown organic blue milk space-cows. Pick-your-own fizzleberry patches on the side. You claim that they're merchants, but they're merchants backed up with an army. They're innocent in the same way the United Fruit Company is innocent. They're trying to set up a banana republic.
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Jan 7, 2018 15:39
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There is no such thing as innocent consumption under mercantilism.
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Jan 7, 2018 15:43
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I'm just listening through my TV speakers, gently caress you I'm not buying a drat stereo system Same, but I guess I should get a sound bar or something. Though it's good to know why that's happening now. quote:There is no such thing as innocent consumption under mercantilism. hey you're not sonic
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Jan 7, 2018 15:48
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Vader never actually murdered guys on screen with a lightsaber. Ever. Giving people ”what they want” is not actually a good idea.
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Jan 7, 2018 17:40
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They should film a live action version of that Vader comic, it's got plenty of lightsaber murder.
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Jan 7, 2018 17:41
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No cus by doing that you are ruining the fantasy. It’s like showing all the shark murders in detail in jaws
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Jan 7, 2018 17:51
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Plus it has the Bothan cyborg with six arms and a lightsaber in each.Milky Moor posted:I don't know what's wrong with my eyes because while I saw that Tarkin was CGI immediately, I still only see Leia as CGI because I know that Carrie Fisher isn't that young. I was the same, Tarkin stood out immediately but Leia looked really good to me. I mean both were good but Tarkin's uniform/insignia were too plasticy and it made the effect much more noticeable to me.
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Jan 7, 2018 17:59
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Why didn't they just have a real dude in a green man suit wearing a real imperial uniform and just digitally do the head?
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Jan 7, 2018 18:00
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Are you guys being serious right now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlSn50_BePU
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Jan 7, 2018 18:17
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CountFosco posted:If they're so rich, there should be a ton of local cottage farms raising local-grown organic blue milk space-cows. Pick-your-own fizzleberry patches on the side. Innocence has nothing to do with it. The conflict is a petty squabble between rich aristocratic aesthetes and some corporate assholes. Naboo looks like the kind of place where farming is outlawed because it would ruin the landscape. That’s why it’s ‘trivial’, and Quigon doesn’t give a gently caress. Lucas simply blurs the line by making the corporation its own government/planet/race. The livelihood of the Nemoidian people is possibly at stake with this tax hike. It’s explicit, at the very least, that the Republic is actively working to screw them over. It’s not an accident that both sides of the conflict look like Ming The Merciless. Shiroc posted:My favorite thing about the opening crawl to Episode 1 is that it starts with the words THE PHANTOM MENACE and everyone apparently assumed the details of the trade dispute were actually the most important thing to follow instead of them possibly being a misdirect due to some kind of other menace? The bizarre thing is that people are complaining about the hallmarks of good writing. Lucas quickly establishes the basics of the conflict and then allows the particulars to be revealed gradually, as part of normal conversation: “These Federation types are cowards. The negotiations will be short.” In two lines, Lucas quickly establishes that Quigon is a racist and that he’s used to threatening people on behalf of the Republic. The terseness of his response shows that he has become disillusioned over the years. Quigon no longer believes in diplomacy as mediation; he knows he’s there to do violence. It instantly summarizes the Jedi’s role in the conflict. By contrast, the dialogue in Episode 7 is atrocious: “The droid will soon be delivered to the Resistance, leading them to the last Jedi. If Skywalker returns, the new Jedi will rise. ... General, our strategy must now change.” “The weapon. It is ready. I believe the time has come to use it. We shall destroy the government that supports the Resistance: the Republic. Without their friends to protect them, the Resistance will be vulnerable, and we will stop them before they reach Skywalker.” This lengthy exchange, between Supreme Snoke and General Hux is pure exposition and narratively worthless. It tells us nothing about the characters and their motivations - except that Hux secretly values friendship as a form of safety? Bizarrely, Snoke doesn’t seem to know what the Republic is. His single-minded objective is to prevent the creation of a currently-nonexistent organization called The New Jedi. He is, however, somewhat familiar with ”the weapon” (although not enough to know its level of completion). What was he building it for, if not to destroy the Republic? This dialogue may imply that Snoke can see the future. But if that’s the case, why is he asking Hux for advice? What was their strategy originally? We soon learn that Snoke is saying “eh sure”, when told that a trillion people are going to die - just because it will inconvenience a guy named Luke, and prevent him from rising New Jedis. What about other psychic people? Why are only Jedis dangerous? By just dumping exposition about what’s going on, the story ends up more muddled, not less.
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Jan 7, 2018 18:19
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RBA Starblade posted:Same, but I guess I should get a sound bar or something. Though it's good to know why that's happening now. I don't think that's exactly the issue. A 5.1 audio stream should be downmixed on TV speakers, it's not literally discarding the center and surround channels.
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Jan 7, 2018 18:31
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AndyElusive posted:Are you guys being serious right now? The war on the Great CGI Satan is an eternal, existential conflict. We don't let facts get in the way of defending Our Holy Immersion.
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Jan 7, 2018 18:36
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homullus posted:The war on the Great CGI Satan is an eternal, existential conflict. We don't let facts get in the way of defending Our Holy Immersion. Do you seriously think the reason people didn't like zombie Tarkin was a bias against CGI in general
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Jan 7, 2018 18:53
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Do you seriously think the reason people didn't like zombie Tarkin was a bias against CGI in general No. Hilariously, people are biased against plastic - insisting ‘that it looks like CGI’.
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Jan 7, 2018 19:03
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TLJ box office doom and gloom overreaction update. It has now passed 1.2 Billion at the worldwide box office, look for it to pass Fate of the Furious and Beauty and the Beast to become the top worldwide movie sometime in the next week or so. Still tracking for around 67% of TFA's final total.
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Jan 7, 2018 19:05
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Recreating Peter Cushings face like that was downright ghoulish.
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Jan 7, 2018 19:05
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AndyElusive posted:Are you guys being serious right now? Yes? There's plenty of spots in Rogue One where they digitally light Tarkin's face differently from everything else in the shot and it makes the entire body look off. I thought it looked really good overall, just that while watching the movie I thought the effect worked better with Leia at the end.
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Jan 7, 2018 19:15
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This time Frankenstein is the Monster!
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Jan 7, 2018 19:15
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Teek posted:TLJ box office doom and gloom overreaction update. It has now passed 1.2 Billion at the worldwide box office, look for it to pass Fate of the Furious and Beauty and the Beast to become the top worldwide movie sometime in the next week or so. Still tracking for around 67% of TFA's final total. It didn't do very well in China. I've read that it wasn't expected to, though. Is this true? I thought TFA and Rogue One both did well there.
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Jan 7, 2018 19:18
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Innocence has nothing to do with it. The conflict is a petty squabble between rich aristocratic aesthetes and some corporate assholes. Naboo looks like the kind of place where farming is outlawed because it would ruin the landscape. That’s why it’s ‘trivial’, and Quigon doesn’t give a gently caress. *Choke* Excuse me? The livelihood of the Nemoidian people is at stake? They have an entire robot army on reserve that they apparently weren't planning to use that Sidious "made" them use. I conjecture that rich people would like having local food around, you conjecture that farming wouldn't exist because of NIMBY, I present to you the fact that locally-sourced food is a growing movement among the wealthy. This is not an existential threat to the Nemoidian people: if they don't like Naboo's new policies, there are a trillion other planets in the galaxy to trade with, performing a whole-planet blockade is dramatic overkill and while it may technically be "legal" it is most certainly unethical. SuperMechagodzilla posted:
Instead of fighting themselves, they employ robot goons to do the work for them. This is cowardice. He's talking about the Federation in particular, we don't know what his opinion of your average Nemoidian on the street is. Heck, he probably has a Nemoidian friend back on Coruscant. Your reading of his terseness as a prelude to violence is clear eisegesis: you want him to be a thug, but the Nemoidians are the actual aggressors, and he merely responds to their attempt on his life. You're mistaking his laconic quality for being an authoritarian. The negotiations should be short because the Nemoidians haven't a legal leg to stand on.
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Jan 7, 2018 19:18
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It must be mentally exhausting to be a fan of this series.
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Jan 7, 2018 19:21
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Jan 7, 2018 19:25
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exquisite tea posted:It must be mentally exhausting to be a fan of this series. It’s worse that people who proport to be fans are revealing that they don’t understand three of the films on a really basic level
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Jan 7, 2018 19:29
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Waffles Inc. posted:It’s worse that people who proport to be fans are revealing that they don’t understand three of the films on a really basic level The smug! I’m choking on it!
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Jan 7, 2018 19:40
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Wheat Loaf posted:It didn't do very well in China. I've read that it wasn't expected to, though. Is this true? I thought TFA and Rogue One both did well there. I believe it did $28M opening weekend in China, will probably finish with double that. It's been an uphill climb there for the series. Marvel and animated movies do okay there, but nothing too great. SW has done barely anything there yet. The Fast and the Furious and Transformers series seem to be the biggest US heavy hitters there. China seems to really like spectacles and huge Hollywood star lead action movies, whether they're good or not. Teek fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 7, 2018 19:52
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Teek posted:I believe it did $28M opening weekend in China, will probably finish with double that. It's been an uphill climb there for the series. Marvel and animated movies do okay there, but nothing too great. SW has done barely anything there yet. The Fast and the Furious and Transformers series seem to be the biggest US heavy hitters there. China seems to really like spectacles and huge Hollywood star lead action movies, whether they're good or not. Well, it's also worth considering that all of the last three Star Wars movies have traded heavily on nostalgia and Chinese movie audiences, for the most part, don't really have a whole lot of nostalgia for Star Wars. I believe Coco of all movies was unexpectedly huge in China last year.
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Jan 7, 2018 20:03
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exquisite tea posted:It must be mentally exhausting to be a fan of this series. I've stopped considering myself a Star Wars fan, now I'm just a fan of a few movies a few video games that all happen to have the same setting
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Jan 7, 2018 20:05
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Waffles Inc. posted:It’s worse that people who proport to be fans are revealing that they don’t understand three of the films on a really basic level Film is a populist medium, it's for everyone. Even you, the smug. It's time for Star Wars...to end. Edit: I mean, if it's possible...if there's even an iota of possibility the dumbest person on the planet doesn't understand your dumb baby space fight movie...that's on the people making the movie.
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Jan 7, 2018 20:07
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SleepCousinDeath posted:This time Frankenstein is the Monster! A+ content.
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Jan 7, 2018 20:08
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lmbo everybody itt is so loving miserable
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Jan 7, 2018 20:42
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Calibanibal posted:lmbo everybody itt is so loving miserable I'm not 
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Jan 7, 2018 20:55
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The important thing is that you enjoy the movie, regardless of what you enjoy it for.
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Jan 7, 2018 20:58
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Fake Peter Cushing reminded me of a Fallout 1 character but in a good way.
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Jan 7, 2018 21:00
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SleepCousinDeath posted:Fake Peter Cushing reminded me of a Fallout 1 character but in a good way.  Checks out.
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Jan 7, 2018 21:05
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I was caught by surprise and reacted emotionally to seeing a dead favorite actor for a few seconds before feeling rage that I had been manipulated by capitalists. Also I had to see it in 3d and the muted colors helped sell the effect.
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Jan 7, 2018 21:18
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Fandom is a specific way of interacting with art, a social ritual that unites the fans into a group, by using a media object or a brand as a sort of a totem and developing a mythology around it. It has very little to do with like or dislike, and often very little to do with the actual content of the art.
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Jan 7, 2018 21:57
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Honestly it’s ruined the experience whenever I like something and then see what kind of people organize themselves as fans of it. I can’t fathom organizing any part of my identity around aesthetic experience or consumption, except maybe addiction if I got really into opium or something.
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Jan 7, 2018 22:02
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Bongo Bill posted:Fandom is a specific way of interacting with art, a social ritual that unites the fans into a group, by using a media object or a brand as a sort of a totem and developing a mythology around it. It has very little to do with like or dislike, and often very little to do with the actual content of the art. Ahem (timestamped hilarious meltdown) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qEzrw9B9ns&t=4490s
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Another fact which bears repeating is: If seeing art makes you feel a particular way, your feelings are not wrong, but the words you use to attempt to describe the art to try to connect it to those feelings can definitely be wrong.
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