Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?

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Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

Goobs posted:

Besides Jamaicans, I was unaware that people bleached their assholes.

But, now that you've enlightened me (probably due to you using it to bleach your balls, anus and eyes), I thank you. Oh wise Anus Bleacher. I bow before you humbly.

Frankly you're the one who should be feeling pride as a result of that conversation.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:18

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SomethingJones: Mar 6, 2016; <3

Enchanted Hat posted:

It's totally irrelevant to debate some kind of strict grammatical interpretation of how the exclusivity clause should be read (you are all wrong, by the way).

If this is going to be a jury trial, the contract is going to have to be argued in front of a bunch of laymen. Unless every single one of them is a pedantic grammar teacher, their initial interpretations are probably going to vary as widely as the interpretations itt.

You don't need to be a pedantic grammar teacher to understand the meaning of a sentence, you just need to be at least ten years old with an education.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:19

Bootcha: Nov 13, 2012; Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending; Grimey Drawer

SomethingJones posted:

You don't need to be a pedantic grammar teacher to understand the meaning of a sentence, you just need to be at least ten years old with an education.

We're hosed. 10char

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:21

SomethingJones: Mar 6, 2016; <3

Bootcha posted:

We're hosed. 10char

Pretty much

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:22

Hobold: Jan 10, 2012; I love my Cutlass
I love big stompy mechs
I love my HOTAS
I love to salvage wrecks
I love Star Citizen, and all it's craziness
GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA; College Slice

Soo much I :love:

ANAL.

Never ceases to amaze me how you can show the same thing to a bunch of people, and get almost as many interpretations of what you showed them, as there are people.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:25

Ramadu: Aug 25, 2004; 2015 NFL MVP

Goobs posted:

Besides Jamaicans, I was unaware that people bleached their assholes.

But, now that you've enlightened me (probably due to you using it to bleach your balls, anus and eyes), I thank you. Oh wise Anus Bleacher. I bow before you humbly.

i was listening to NPR and they had some lady on from australia and she was saying how its hugely popular there but you can develop ecsema on your butthole from bleaching it so she advised against it

thats my anal bleaching story thanks for listening

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:28

EmesiS: Feb 5, 2016

SomethingJones posted:

Pretty much

Listen to the Game Cat, friend.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:33

Beef Hardcheese: Jan 21, 2003; HOW ABOUT I LASH YOUR SHIT

SomethingJones posted:

I keep seeing this coming up and I don't see what the issue or confusion is. "to exclusively embed CryEngine in the Game" means to embed it exclusively, at the exclusion of any other engine. That's a restriction of the license.

It is explicitly stated right there what the exclusivity is referring to, it is referring to CryEngine, "exclusively embed Cryengine".

Lots of people going round and around in circles on this, it's really simple and I don't agree that it's poorly written either. "exclusively embed Cryengine" means to exclude any other engine, "in the game" refers to the game which is defined, CryEngine is already defined, everything is there as clear as day and I don't know where all the confusion is coming from.

The word 'exclusive' is rooted in 'exclude', this is very basic stuff and I'm amazed to see such discussion taking place over a really honest to god straightforward piece of text written in the english language. You can unfold "exclusively embed CryEngine' into 'embed Cryengine at the exclusion of all other engines' but the meaning remains exactly the same.

This isn't even lawyering guys, this is basic communication in the english language. Jesus.

Thank you for this and your subsequent posts. I had initially thought it was incredibly straightforward, but when people started arguing about it I assumed that there was some relevant tidbit or factoid that I had missed in the recent surge of activity. But no one was bringing up anything like that, and I was beginning to question my sanity. I still don't know where any of this came from, maybe one person being dumb and a bunch of others latching onto it? :shrug:

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:33

Sandweed: Sep 7, 2006; All your friends are me.

Posting on page 3x420 the high triples every second.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:34

Milkfred E. Moore: Aug 27, 2006; 'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Mirificus posted:

ahahaha. man tarkaroshe, how would that even work

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:35

Bofast: Feb 21, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Rugganovich posted:

Coming from a certified noismaker, this adds credence.
Rumour has it that the US navy tried experimenting with a new noisemaker in the late 80's. They'd drop Derek off the back of a ship in a bathyscope, to confuse the Russian submarines.
Only problem was his Russian was a bit rusty and they canned the experiment.

I don't know why I found this hilarious, but I did. Thanks, friend. :cawg:

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:37

skaboomizzy: Nov 12, 2003; There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

Milky Moor posted:

ahahaha. man tarkaroshe, how would that even work

they either do not know or are actively ignoring that Skadden won one of the biggest IP cases this decade

they don't do things "for the lulz"

there's a great big avalanche of reality about to hit everyone involved in this scam, and it's gonna rule

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:47

no_recall: Aug 17, 2015; Lipstick Apathy

Thread good, now that CIG has responded.

Space Court when?

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:50

Bofast: Feb 21, 2011; Grimey Drawer

The Titanic posted:

I only got better too, because when I was in college by like 16, I already was designing shoes. In fact you can see all my designs at *cough ahem cough*

Do said shoes start leaking when they get in contact with ice?

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:55

Ponzi: Feb 21, 2016; DEPORTED FROM FLAVOR TOWN

ICSA 67 LOSER; Fun Shoe

STAR CITIZEN: EXCLUSIVELY EXCLUSIVE (EXCLUDING EXCLUSIONS)

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:58

Exinos: Mar 1, 2009; OSHA approved squiq

If the game is poo poo you must acquit!

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:11

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

EightAce posted:

Let's not forget that Ben lesnick ( developer ). Played all the sq42 missions long before they switched to lumberyard. He said as much

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:21

Amarcarts: Feb 21, 2007; This looks a lot like suffering.

I'd be happy if the only result of the whole lawsuit business is that CIG is forced to rename the game to "Space Citizen"

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:23

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

If Crytek wins, Star Citizen is dead and it's hilarious for us.

If Crytek loses, Star Citizen comes out and it's hilarious for us.

If Crytek win, the car crash involves a suitcase full of money being caught by an airbag that can be recovered in the twisted metal and broken glass

If Crytek somehow loses, the car crash involves a suitcase full of money being intertwined and shrewn about in the twisted metal and broken glass

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:26

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

https://i.imgur.com/Mot96Jp.gifv

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:42

SomethingJones: Mar 6, 2016; <3

Beef Hardcheese posted:

Thank you for this and your subsequent posts. I had initially thought it was incredibly straightforward, but when people started arguing about it I assumed that there was some relevant tidbit or factoid that I had missed in the recent surge of activity. But no one was bringing up anything like that, and I was beginning to question my sanity. I still don't know where any of this came from, maybe one person being dumb and a bunch of others latching onto it?

It's a bunch of people arguing about something without knowing what the words mean or how a sentence is constructed

And worse than that, a few people who seem to think that you need a lawyer to tell you what the meaning of a word or sentence is because somehow the english language is suddenly open to interpretation in some weird post-modernist bullshit way

Honestly, Derek is actually the only person talking sense at this point

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:44

Enchanted Hat: Aug 18, 2013; Defeated in Diplomacy under suspicious circumstances

Milky Moor posted:

ahahaha. man tarkaroshe, how would that even work

"What's that? You're a German game developer, but you wrote a legal submission for a US court, and now you want us to submit the document in our name without even reading it?

WELL, as a reputable law firm, we see absolutely no problems with this! Why, it's like free legal fees!"

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:51

Enchanted Hat: Aug 18, 2013; Defeated in Diplomacy under suspicious circumstances

SomethingJones posted:

It's a bunch of people arguing about something without knowing what the words mean or how a sentence is constructed

And worse than that, a few people who seem to think that you need a lawyer to tell you what the meaning of a word or sentence is because somehow the english language is suddenly open to interpretation in some weird post-modernist bullshit way

Honestly, Derek is actually the only person talking sense at this point

lol. u ok commando?

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:52

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

There was a time when people in Los Angeles didn't bleach their own assholes. This time was called the Great Enlightenment and many of spa was financially successful for it. But this is not a story of the old, but a story of the new, a story of bleaching your rear end in a top hat at home.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:55

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Anime is exclusively poo poo.

This wouldn't hold up in court for the following reasons [100 pages of legal speculation] therefore case dismissed.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:58

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

SomethingJones posted:

It's a bunch of people arguing about something without knowing what the words mean or how a sentence is constructed

And worse than that, a few people who seem to think that you need a lawyer to tell you what the meaning of a word or sentence is because somehow the english language is suddenly open to interpretation in some weird post-modernist bullshit way

Honestly, Derek is actually the only person talking sense at this point

Personally I believe the exclusive thing isn't clear, because if it had been clear we wouldn't still be talking about it. But as it doesn't matter in the slightest what I think, I'm not going to beat the issue to death.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:00

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Anime is oft good, therefore starcitizen is good therefore star citizens may be forgiven for their sins against hygiene.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:01

Ramadu: Aug 25, 2004; 2015 NFL MVP

anime owns

hth

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:01

PederP: Nov 20, 2009

SomethingJones posted:

It's a bunch of people arguing about something without knowing what the words mean or how a sentence is constructed

And worse than that, a few people who seem to think that you need a lawyer to tell you what the meaning of a word or sentence is because somehow the english language is suddenly open to interpretation in some weird post-modernist bullshit way

Honestly, Derek is actually the only person talking sense at this point

I don't know if the same goes for the US, but here in scandilandia, the legal system does interpret the language in markedly different, and often bullshit, way. There is an element of literalism and historical factors that do not come into play in "normal" communication. Usually contracts are verbose and extremely explicit to avoid any issues of interpretation. Without going into a discussion of how "exclusive" is defined in english, because I am not a native speaker, I do think it's obvious that the sentences are poorly written and ambiguous to at least some extent.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:03

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

anime will give you brain worms but Persona 4 Golden is good

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:05

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Something tells me that Sandi isn't into exclusivity.

Chris Robert might find himself arguing this point in court some day. :v:

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:07

SomethingJones: Mar 6, 2016; <3

ManofManyAliases posted:

Go gently caress yourself. You get spoonfed details by some people on here to make it seem like you know poo poo then everyone gets to sit and giggle in the corner while you flail about like you think you know what you're talking about 1/4 of the time (and you're too stupid to realize it you dumbfuck).

You are hopelessly and irretrievably wrong.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:07

Enchanted Hat: Aug 18, 2013; Defeated in Diplomacy under suspicious circumstances

Raskolnikov posted:

Anime is exclusively poo poo.

This wouldn't hold up in court for the following reasons [100 pages of legal speculation] therefore case dismissed.

Your interpretation of anime is incorrect. Objectively and juridically speaking, anime is good, which you would KNOW if you were at least ten years old with an education!!!

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# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:08

NoNotTheMindProbe: Aug 9, 2010; pony porn was here

Anime is bad. Star Citizen is Bad. Therefore Star Citizen is anime.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:10

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Anime is bad. Star Citizen is Bad. Therefore Star Citizen is anime.

Seems reasonable

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:13

Ubik_Lives: Nov 16, 2012

SomethingJones posted:

No, you are completely wrong

Bob is exclusively listening to pop music -
"exclusively listening"

'listening' is a verb. How is Bob listening? Look at the adverb preceding the verb, he is listening exclusively.

In order for it to mean that only Bob is listening to pop music you would have to write it thusly:
"Bob, exclusively, is listening to pop music"

Then why does "I can exclusively reveal that Gail shares a birthday with Rod Stewart" work? Should it not be "I can, exclusively, reveal that Gail shares a birthday with Rod Stewart"?

In that example, I am revealing something exclusively. But it does not mean that I am exclusively revealing something to the exclusion of revealing other things, like exclusively listening to music to the exclusion of other music. It means I am the only one who is revealing this, to the exclusion of others. As you said "if you can exclusively reveal a piece of information that means that you are party to that information to the exclusion of others and can therefore exclusively reveal it". The subject was exclusive there, not the verb (and no commas either).

Let's use your exclusively reveal argument, but changing "reveal" to "listen to", and "information" to "music".
"if you can exclusively listen to a piece of music that means that you are party to that music to the exclusion of others and can therefore exclusively listen to it.

You wouldn't be able to exclusively listen it if the music was not exclusive to you. So in your example above it is implicit that the music you are listening to is exclusive to you, meaning that all others are excluded from having it."

Surely you can see how your defence of these two situations are completely different and contradictory?

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:17

Breetai: Nov 6, 2005; 🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌

Anime = Tane.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:22

Baxta: Feb 18, 2004; Needs More Pirate

Ubik_Lives posted:

Then why does "I can exclusively reveal that Gail shares a birthday with Rod Stewart" work? Should it not be "I can, exclusively, reveal that Gail shares a birthday with Rod Stewart"?

In that example, I am revealing something exclusively. But it does not mean that I am exclusively revealing something to the exclusion of revealing other things, like exclusively listening to music to the exclusion of other music. It means I am the only one who is revealing this, to the exclusion of others. As you said "if you can exclusively reveal a piece of information that means that you are party to that information to the exclusion of others and can therefore exclusively reveal it". The subject was exclusive there, not the verb (and no commas either).

Let's use your exclusively reveal argument, but changing "reveal" to "listen to", and "information" to "music".
"if you can exclusively listen to a piece of music that means that you are party to that music to the exclusion of others and can therefore exclusively listen to it.

You wouldn't be able to exclusively listen it if the music was not exclusive to you. So in your example above it is implicit that the music you are listening to is exclusive to you, meaning that all others are excluded from having it."

Surely you can see how your defence of these two situations are completely different and contradictory?

Is German your first language by any chance? I have actually had this discussion with native German speakers before as it seems exklusiv and ausschliessend can be used in the ways you are referring to.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 10:26

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/Dastro34/status/950165003042279426

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grimcreaper: Jan 7, 2012

I feel like i need to explosively explain to everyone how i just taco belled my toilet and it hates me now.

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