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For mini-ITX it's just the socket on one side and everything else on the other or what? 
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FaustianQ posted:I'm already eyeballing the board design and I think I see a Mini-ITX TR board in there. I think ASUS could do it easier. They have a manufacturing line that doesn't do any kind of soldering. So you wouldn't need pins passing through the motherboard taking up space.
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Paul MaudDib posted:can you please tell me how this post should best imply my undying hatred for AMD? I'm really not sure how best to proceed from such an ambiguous post. no nothing to do with AMD per se but they have implemented the correct OOOE hardware which doesn't incorrectly work across privilege domains which Intel did not, despite it being in the literal textbook on the subject GPUs are vulnerable because they are a giant pile of hacks and are even less open than CPUs. I wouldn't doubt for a second that there's a cross-process infoleak hiding in the GPU drivers or GPU implementation that could leak the contents of screen memory or textures containing secret data which is a problem when every single process is HW accelerated, as in modern desktops or worse, VDI, where multiple desktops will share a GPU via SR-IOV or some other multiplexing tech
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Llamadeus posted:Just announced! Naturally, it's Asrock: https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?iD=3888 asrock back at it again !!! a reasonable upgrade path from my x99-itx
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Jan 6, 2018 20:58
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Faux pas to quote myself from the last page but if 7nm really does open up the opportunity for 32c/64t threadrippers at badass clockspeeds then HOLY FUUUUUCKK
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Llamadeus posted:Just announced! Naturally, it's Asrock: https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?iD=3888 Good lord, what are their engineers smoking? 
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Jan 6, 2018 23:01
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Jan 6, 2018 23:02
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Cygni posted:Now do ITX. You joke, but if there's anybody in this world that WOULD do an X399 ITX board, _it is AsRock_.
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Jan 7, 2018 00:27
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SlayVus posted:Put 4 so-DIMM slots on the back along with the 3 m.2 slots. Yeah, looking at the TR4 bracket dimensions, i think you would legit have to do that. You could include thermal pads for the ram to touch the motherboard tray! Probably be physically possible, but not enough market to make the R&D worth it.
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Jan 7, 2018 00:49
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Hopefully we'll get Raven Ridge and the Intel G series chips on desktop soon. If those numbers about on-package Vega being close to a 1060 are true, that'll be a big boon for a marker dominated by buttminers. And I want to have more fun weekend projects.
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Jan 7, 2018 03:42
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GN did Windows Meltdown patch benchmarks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXLiQUsnmVE I won't ruin the punchline.
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Jan 7, 2018 05:22
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I just want Raven Ridge to show up on more than two laptops
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Jan 7, 2018 07:18
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I just want Raven Ridge to show up on more than two laptops Same  At least the Acer Swift 3 will have an R7 2700U, so we'll be able to see numbers on a new SKU. I don't think Lenovo have announced a date for their (single channel RAM) RR laptop. Hopefully CES will provide some updates. And Freesync 2 panels.
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Jan 7, 2018 17:15
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I just want Raven Ridge to show up on more than two laptops That kind of thing is why I'm skeptical on AMD being able to really exploit exploits for a short term boost in their market share. Laptops are an absolutely huge market for x86-64 and AMD is still barely able to offer in it.
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The OEM's do what they want and AMD can't make them use their chips. What do you expect them to do? Follow Intel's practices of paying OEM's to use their stuff? Even if they wanted to do that I don't think they have the cash flow to pull off that tactic.
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2 new Ryzen Mobile chips coming, a 4/4 with 6 Vega CUs and a 2/4 with 3 Vega CUs. I think the smaller part is a the different, small die AMD was calling Banded Kestrel. Will be branded Ryzen 3 2300U and 2200U. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-announces-ryzen-3-mobile
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Jan 8, 2018 03:43
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Any word on if that Asrock X399M supports ECC?
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Undisclosed as of yet, but TR has official support so having a mobo without it would be a bit dumb.
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In theory Banded Kestrel is a direct competitor to Atom, Bobcat v Saltwell Round 2. Should noticeably outperform the Quad Kabinis, seems really good. Hope it makes it to desktop with something like A400 series boards as a full replacement for AM1. Pinnacle Ridge basically confirmed for April https://videocardz.com/74685/amd-zen-12nm-ryzen-and-x470-motherboards-to-launch-in-april Higher clocks basically, and taking AMD/GloFo at thier word regarding what 12nm does that means 4.4-4.5Ghz on average, golden samples 4.7Ghz. Hopefully DDR4 compatibility is higher as well, but besides a refined Precision Boost nothing new. Pinnacle Threadripper in 2H 2018 though, sooner rather than latter it seems but marketing materials+roadmap, so eh... EmpyreanFlux fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 04:06
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x470 boards showing up in the wild at CES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCNKnKGvg4I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOTKgvPUXN8 8809G is "Hades Canyon" because hell froze over when Intel agreed to put AMD parts onto one of their chips. "Expected performance to be better than a 1060 Max-Q", Linus says. Cygni posted:x470 boards showing up in the wild at CES Oh my god, thin-fin VRM heatsinks, instead of the stupid "sawn block of aluminum" ones. Still loses points for putting that loving decorative piece that blocks airflow located above the socket, but thin-fin VRM heatsinks! SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/ryanshrout/status/950230588149006336
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I mean, de facto that's what we saw on Black Friday. Some BF prices were significantly lower, even. Threadripper didn't get much of a discount, or none at all depending on SKU. And 2000-series SKUs should be just around the corner anyway. Kinda underwhelming. Desktop G-series SKUs are the bigger deal here IMO.
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R5 2400G and R3 2200G also announced: https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/CES-2018-AMD-Ryzen-Desktop-CPU-Ryzen-Graphics-Coming-Feb-12 They’re APUs! 8CUs in the 2200G and 11 in the 2400G. I didn’t see clockspeeds listed Keynote link?
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Jan 8, 2018 06:19
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Yes but did you hear about Intel
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PerrineClostermann posted:Yes but did you hear about Intel Yeah, how are Intel's APUs going to stack up, actually? I'm guessing "Intel is moderately better but wildly more expensive"? edit: I think people were guessing 560-ish performance for AMD's APUs? Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:Yeah, how are Intel's APUs going to stack up, actually? I'm guessing "Intel is moderately better but wildly more expensive"? The on-package memory will probably make up a big difference and give Intel a rather dramatic performance lead, but the price will reflect it.
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Intel says "gtx 1060 or better level performance" for their vega apu from what I've seen? That's actually really good, I might have to get a laptop for VR purposes finally. e: Yeah it's in that linus vid.
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NewFatMike posted:R5 2400G and R3 2200G also announced: Sounds like Raven Ridge silicon in a socket with a desktop TDP. So probably between an RX 550 and 560 for the 11 CU part?
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Probably depends on memory access. No on-die memory was mentioned, so it’ll likely just be going for normal system RAM along with the CPU. That would be my hope for the performance zone. Hopefully it’ll be possible to get a console replacement part with it. Some overclocking from there seemed interesting - they apparently got the GPU up to 1675MHz, but I’m not sure if the memory bottleneck will be even more exacerbated.
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I don't know why anyone would pay $10 more for a 1700X vs. the 1700. The 1700 actually comes with a decent cooler that can handle overclocking it to the 1700X's level, so it's $10 less + cost of a cooler.
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3peat posted:
Yo, can I take a moment to point something our really quick? Zen 2 is already _design complete_.
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4/4 and 8CUs for $99 MSRP, lol bristol ridge dead in the crib Pentium Gold also loving dead Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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AMD is going to sell a ton of those for office machines. There's definitely a niche for the Intel APUs but you are going to pay through the nose for that much power in that form factor. Are the APUs on Zen+ silicon or no? They are listed as 2000-series products...
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Paul MaudDib posted:AMD is going to sell a ton of those for office machines. There's definitely a niche for the Intel APUs but you are going to pay through the nose for that much power in that form factor. No mention of the nanometer process from the slides I've seen, but I would assume they'd have to be if they're jamming in graphics in there somewhere.
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SourKraut posted:I don't know why anyone would pay $10 more for a 1700X vs. the 1700. The 1700 actually comes with a decent cooler that can handle overclocking it to the 1700X's level, so it's $10 less + cost of a cooler. The X makes it sound cool.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Are the APUs on Zen+ silicon or no? They are listed as 2000-series products... They are 14nm, at least on the roadmap.
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Paul MaudDib posted:AMD is going to sell a ton of those for office machines. There's definitely a niche for the Intel APUs but you are going to pay through the nose for that much power in that form factor. 95% certain that these are 1st gen Ryzen, Zen+ is still only sampling, and: "Anandtech posted:Ryzen 3 Mobile APUs: January 9th If they were Zen+, I feel like it would have said "Second Generation Ryzen Desktop APUs" instead, along with all of the other known-Zen+ product lines. But we'll find out leading up to the 12th of next month, right? edit: Hey, cool. Nesting url= inside quote= markdown works.
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2200G/2400G, aka "who is gonna give a poo poo to the 1300X/1500X anymore". They might as well retire the latter two SKUs since they serve no purpose with the APUs.
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