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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'd be curious to see if there's any Law and Order (the original show) eps that age poorly. SVU is obviously a really messed up show in subject matter, but it's pretty pro-victim generally The main problem with SVU is that it glorifies police brutality. Stabler does a ton of terrible poo poo to suspects and the shows justifies it with "Well, they're a pedo, so it's okay."
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WampaLord posted:The main problem with SVU is that it glorifies police brutality. Stabler does a ton of terrible poo poo to suspects and the shows justifies it with "Well, they're a pedo, so it's okay." I feel like this is pretty epidemic when it comes to cop shows, although the undisputed champ of handwaving the awful poo poo that cops get away with has to be Blue Bloods.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:South Park also doesn't age well for me cuz as a kid that whole "the truth is in the middle! Both sides r dumb and we're apolitical man!!" mask was a pill I was dumb enough to swallow whereas now it's easy seeing them pushing their corny rear end ideology and we've got terms like "South Park Republican". I was always in the minority in that I never found South Park all that funny past a few episodes (Lord of the Rings, WoW, Nintendo) and never got the fuss about it but, man, that poo poo took off like wild fire. It was almost Simpsons levels for a while but the writing was never clever and certainly not subtle, which is how I prefer my humor. For a while, I chalked it all up to personal taste and presumed that I was the one out of the loop on what's funny - which I guess I was and still am, really. There's Something About Mary and Baseketball have held up terribly, while Office Space, KotH, Idiocracy and Beavis & Butthead seem to hold pretty solid ground. Seems to me that Mike Judge has always had the eye for social satire that Matt and Trey always wished they had, where they substituted edgy poo poo designed to offend in place of real satire. Further, on the subject of animation, I hate Family Guy, American Dad and Bob's Burgers and never got why they're funny. BiggerBoat has a new favorite as of 23:22 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'd be curious to see if there's any Law and Order (the original show) eps that age poorly. On the whole it's aged decently except for the standard mid to late 90s "totally incredulous about computers and the internet" syndrome. There are a few exceptions, like the one I posted earlier in the thread with them throwing around "retarded" like it's going out of style to describe a poorly acted mentally challenged character. But for like LGBT stuff I can't think of a specific time where Brisco et al. were overtly homophobic or anything. Mr Luxury Yacht has a new favorite as of 00:24 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Whoa, there, mate, I admit American Dad might not be for everyone, but what's wrong with Bob's Burgers? It's not top shelf entertainment but it's pretty drat good.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Right, I guess I'm just wondering if there's an episode I'm missing where like, Briscoe leans on a dude because he's got info, but also is gay and that bothers Lenny, or something else that would make people go There was an episode with an IRA bomber fairly early on that also included a dead Middle Eastern guy that one of the detectives keeps calling an "A-rab." I suspect there's some more in there too, I don't remember much, I was actually more interested in watching New York evolve as the series progressed, because the NYC of the late 80's/early 90's is very different to the one from the 2000's.
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I hate shows that accurately depict how people act. All entertainment should be bland and lacking in controversy.
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BiggerBoat posted:I was always in the minority in that I never found South Park all that funny past a few episodes (Lord of the Rings, WoW, Nintendo) and never got the fuss about it but, man, that poo poo took off like wild fire. It was almost Simpsons levels for a while but the writing was never clever and certainly not subtle, which is how I prefer my humor. Oh good, I'm not the only one who's not into South Park. I've never really seen a full episode, and never really got the appeal of the show. It all just seems like a bunch of edgelord comedy written by 13 year olds. Bob's Burger's is good though. It's actually got great characters, a lot of the episodes are character driven, and for the most part it's pretty realistic and down to earth. It would be nice if they'd let the family win once in a while, but still it's pretty great. Watching Bob self own is pretty great though.
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IIRC what happened with BASEketball is that it was early in their careers when they didn't think South Park was going to stick around so they took the biggest deal they could to make some quick cash.
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muscles like this! posted:IIRC what happened with BASEketball is that it was early in their careers when they didn't think South Park was going to stick around so they took the biggest deal they could to make some quick cash. It was also written by the folks behind Naked Gun after they'd lost their fastball, although it's not as bad as that Christmas Carol movie they made with a bad Michael Moore stand-in (Chris Farley's brother, I think?) El Gallinero Gros has a new favorite as of 01:44 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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ExplodingSims posted:Oh good, I'm not the only one who's not into South Park. I've never really seen a full episode, and never really got the appeal of the show. It all just seems like a bunch of edgelord comedy written by 13 year olds. 
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muscles like this! posted:IIRC what happened with BASEketball is that it was early in their careers when they didn't think South Park was going to stick around so they took the biggest deal they could to make some quick cash. The bright side is that at least got one of the Zucker brothers to direct the fucker. The bad side is that it's the Zucker brother that went insane after 9/11 and wrote/directed/committed career suicide with the truly awful 'American Carol' in which Michael Moore is a fat traitor to America. Oh, and I think Leslie Nielsen also plays Bin Laden in one of his last roles. And for Trey and Matt's credit, they were right but for the wrong reasons: South Park doesn't have legs, but Comedy Central doesn't give a poo poo and will probably pay a good amount of cash to keep the ratings up or whatever reason Viacom has to do anything.
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I'm finally watching my way through Millennium, the sort of kind of but not really X-Files spinoff (although if you're an X-Files fan, the Jose Chung episode of Millennium is a must), and it has aged pretty perfectly. I'd follow Lance Henriksen into hell itself. There's one internet-based episode so far that I've seen, though, and I giggled hard because in the cold open, some horny teens use a search engine to look up "naked girls" and... BRANDON: All right! We've got four hundred and seventy three matches. ANTHONY: You know, if we spent just five minutes in each site, that would make, like ... BRANDON: Thirty nine hours of porn on the internet. edited to add:  Also, ironically, this is an amazingly good and intense episode and uses the internet (of its time) extremely well. But if you weren't online back then, it might come off kinda corny. Pastry of the Year has a new favorite as of 04:42 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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World War Mammories posted:maybe the episode was filmed during the first 12 minutes of the internet's existence impossible, they searched the ENTIRE WEB
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Pastry of the Year posted:I'm finally watching my way through Millennium, the sort of kind of but not really X-Files spinoff (although if you're an X-Files fan, the Jose Chung episode of Millennium is a must), and it has aged pretty perfectly. I'd follow Lance Henriksen into hell itself. Is that the episode where they have to access the killer’s video feed via IP address? It’s been years since I’ve seen that episode so I have no idea how badly it’s portrayed the internet.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Is that the episode where they have to access the killer’s video feed via IP address? Yeah, basically, although even when I watched it with 2017 eyes (okay yeah it was a couple weeks ago) I felt like it was relatively well-informed and unclumsy based on what was available tech at the time.
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Samuringa posted:Whoa, there, mate, I admit American Dad might not be for everyone, but what's wrong with Bob's Burgers? It's not top shelf entertainment but it's pretty drat good. I hear Bobs Burgers is good but I can't stand any character's voice in that show. Even Jon Benjamin.
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X-Files and Millennium were both usually pretty good about technology stuff. There are a few very stupid bits - the William Gibson stuff in X-Files, and that 'First Person Shooter' episode are pretty drat bad, and there are a few "zoom and enhance!" bits - but considering that between them there are 12 seasons in the original run the ratio of good:stupid leans towards good. Burn Notice has some hilariously stupid technology bits, like a plot about a virus 'Voidbot' that magically erases everything about your identity from the entire world, but other times it's pretty decent. There's one episode when the crew have to infiltrate some hacking group but obviously have no idea about hacking, so they fake it by having an op to shut off the local power grid and making it look like they did it by hacking. There was even a bit where they do the theoretically possible freezing RAM to get data from it, which was neat.
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married but discreet posted:South Park:Bigger Longer and Uncut is still one of the better musicals around. It's genuinely good. Related, but it used to feel like every animated show had to have musical numbers which is really weird looking back on them. I mean I guess they were sort of kind of variety shows but it seems odd how many would have full on songs just in the middle of an episode
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WampaLord posted:The main problem with SVU is that it glorifies police brutality. Stabler does a ton of terrible poo poo to suspects and the shows justifies it with "Well, they're a pedo, so it's okay." That is literally every procedural ever. Even something as light hearted as Brooklyn 99 has lines about how evil defense attorneys are and subjects being routinely questioned without their lawyer present.
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Re. Office Space, that is increasingly aging poorly because the notion of someone having a well paying, secure job but somehow feeling "unfulfilled" is a very 90's trope (see also Fight Club and American Beauty among others) that is becoming increasingly unrelatable to people nowadays struggling just to get any kind of decent job. Not to mention that the biggest issue in society being workplace ennui seems bizarre when we are living through a literal nazi resurgence.
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married but discreet posted:South Park:Bigger Longer and Uncut is still one of the better musicals around. It's genuinely good. I’m sure it was a time and place thing but I will never forget laughing hysterically with a theater full of people the night it came out, both at the film and the clearly unaccompanied 12-yo seated behind us desperately asking “what’s a clitoris?” Poor kid, I hope he learned.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'd be curious to see if there's any Law and Order (the original show) eps that age poorly. SVU is obviously a really messed up show in subject matter, but it's pretty pro-victim generally, with Mariska Hargitay becoming a real life activist for abuse victims, Criminal Intent has the irritating/compelling "detective who is troubled but brilliant" thing but that's a trope that will take a while to go away. If anyone ever wants to see the dumbest and most out of touch view of the internet and porn watch the amazing Life Time movie "Cyber Seduction: His Secret Life". Or just listen to the We Hate Movies Pod episode.
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Choco1980 posted:I was in high school when SP hit and got super huge the first few seasons. Now I go back when it might be on late night syndication or something, and boy is it obvious that the main appeal at the time was that us edgelord teens like to laugh at the sex and poop jokes that absolutely aren't funny at all to a grownup. Well I don't know about the rest of you guys but I'm 45 and fart/poop jokes still haven't lost their appeal. Maybe it's because I have kids. Maybe not.
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Sarcopenia posted:If anyone ever wants to see the dumbest and most out of touch view of the internet and porn watch the amazing Life Time movie "Cyber Seduction: His Secret Life". Or just listen to the We Hate Movies Pod episode. I'm pretty sure that's the movie with the City Name Sports Team shirt appearance. Back in the day GBS had a big watch along thread with that one  Edit: Virgin Vaginas
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Sarcopenia posted:If anyone ever wants to see the dumbest and most out of touch view of the internet and porn watch the amazing Life Time movie "Cyber Seduction: His Secret Life". Or just listen to the We Hate Movies Pod episode. The one where the kid's descent into moral turpitude as a consequence of watching Internet porn also involves him becoming addicted to Red Bull.
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MikeCrotch posted:Re. Office Space, that is increasingly aging poorly because the notion of someone having a well paying, secure job but somehow feeling "unfulfilled" is a very 90's trope (see also Fight Club and American Beauty among others) that is becoming increasingly unrelatable to people nowadays struggling just to get any kind of decent job. Not to mention that the biggest issue in society being workplace ennui seems bizarre when we are living through a literal nazi resurgence. The bit of Fight Club where a bunch of disillusioned working/middle class white people get into a cult based on a toxic version of masculinity has aged pretty well though.
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Iron Crowned posted:I'm pretty sure that's the movie with the City Name Sports Team shirt appearance. Back in the day GBS had a big watch along thread with that one @Big Breasted Women
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I feel like parts of Office Space still ring very true to life in a cube sea, but no one feels fulfilled at work anymore because work isn't for being fulfilled. It's just where you go to shitpost, collect a few bucks blowing smoke, and then go home.
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MikeCrotch posted:Re. Office Space, that is increasingly aging poorly because the notion of someone having a well paying, secure job but somehow feeling "unfulfilled" is a very 90's trope (see also Fight Club and American Beauty among others) that is becoming increasingly unrelatable to people nowadays struggling just to get any kind of decent job. Not to mention that the biggest issue in society being workplace ennui seems bizarre when we are living through a literal nazi resurgence. American Beauty is perhaps the worst because instead of finding another cushy gig, he gets a fast food job, which in real life would be soul crushingly awful. How many McDonald’s employees do you see at the grill grinning away? The novelty would soon wear off. But apparently taking a lovely job is really sticking it to the man. The guy in Fight Club actually had a job that sounded pretty interesting. And he got to travel a lot. But oh no, it’s all so unfulfilling and meaningless.
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SEX BURRITO posted:American Beauty is perhaps the worst because instead of finding another cushy gig, he gets a fast food job, which in real life would be soul crushingly awful. How many McDonald’s employees do you see at the grill grinning away? The novelty would soon wear off. But apparently taking a lovely job is really sticking it to the man. And he can only afford to make that his lifestyle because of all of the money he had already made and/or his wife (I can't remember) was making.
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CommonShore posted:And he can only afford to make that his lifestyle because of all of the money he had already made and/or his wife (I can't remember) was making. I think his wife was the main breadwinner, because when she threatens to divorce him, he says he'll take half of everything. So he manages to rebel and stick it to the man, but still enjoys a comfortable upper middle class lifestyle. That movie annoyed me so much, because if he was that unhappy he should have hosed off and lived in a sad divorced guy apartment, paying his rent from burger flipping. If the message of the movie is that 'stuff' doesn't matter, then why was he sticking around in such an unhappy life? Anyway, pointless to criticise it now, since the Spacey thing means it'll be long forgotten in a few years.
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SEX BURRITO posted:American Beauty is perhaps the worst because instead of finding another cushy gig, he gets a fast food job, which in real life would be soul crushingly awful. How many McDonald’s employees do you see at the grill grinning away? The novelty would soon wear off. But apparently taking a lovely job is really sticking it to the man. I haven't seen American Beauty since theaters, but if you're going from a soul crushing mentally taxing job to a soul crushing physically taxing job then it can be kind of fun in the short term. Suddenly your responsibilities arelimited to that drive-thru window and you don't have to bring any work home with you. I think it was more about him throwing all his cares away and also he kind of went crazy. Iron Crowned posted:I feel like parts of Office Space still ring very true to life in a cube sea, but no one feels fulfilled at work anymore because work isn't for being fulfilled. It's just where you go to shitpost, collect a few bucks blowing smoke, and then go home. I just got a job where I have 2 bosses during the bulk of the day, 3 bosses during turnovers, and one glorious day each week I have 5. Office Space will never age.
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SEX BURRITO posted:The guy in Fight Club actually had a job that sounded pretty interesting. And he got to travel a lot. But oh no, it’s all so unfulfilling and meaningless. I take it you've never had a job that involves frequently traveling for work. It's not a perk unless you really love waiting around in airports and sitting in hotels in the middle of nowhere eating crappy takeout, all while barely seeing your friends, family, and significant other for weeks and weeks at a time.
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Krispy Wafer posted:I haven't seen American Beauty since theaters, but if you're going from a soul crushing mentally taxing job to a soul crushing physically taxing job then it can be kind of fun in the short term. Suddenly your responsibilities arelimited to that drive-thru window and you don't have to bring any work home with you. I think it was more about him throwing all his cares away and also he kind of went crazy. Eh, if I had enough money that I never needed to work, I would end up doing poo poo like that because I'd just get bored as gently caress by the third week of all day PlayStation time. Krispy Wafer posted:I just got a job where I have 2 bosses during the bulk of the day, 3 bosses during turnovers, and one glorious day each week I have 5. Office Space will never age. I once had a job where one of my two bosses was superfluous. Basically he found another job, but he was buddy buddy with someone higher up, who promoted him so he wouldn't leave. The problem was the area he worked in was only contracted to have one manager, so he was a manager, but managed exactly one person, me. Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I take it you've never had a job that involves frequently traveling for work. When I used to travel for work it was a week every 6 months, and that was fun. On the other hand, I can definitely understand how having to be on the road all the time would wear on you.
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