suicidesteve posted:

Yes it's literally impossible to have 3 or 4 relevant cards in a row. You haven't ended the game yet so nobody is obligated to concede.


Unless you break out of the 3 mill rock + lantern lock, then they're suddenly mad that they have to try to actually play the game instead of sitting behind their 3 mana artifact that stops the game from being played. At least that's the case based on my personal experience.

mcmagic posted:

So this shows up on my Twitter line today:

https://twitter.com/CraigKrempels/status/950177647702749186

I know it's a local to NJ grinder scene issue but I know both these people so it's interesting to me at least. Pretty lovely of Krempels to post this if you ask me. To publicly accuse someone of cheating who you have a vastly larger platform than so they can't really defend themselves. DCI is there for a reason.

Korey McCheaty posted:

Hey guys, Korey here. OK so I was linked by a friend on Facebook to this, and honestly it really shocks me as the first time I've heard anything about it since it happened and I really think it's being blown out of proportion, for no reason at all. But I feel like I need to make a statement for the greater good because the hive mind has taken over, it seems. To preface if any of you were there, you would have know first-hand, that it was only a simple misunderstanding that happened off-camera. Don't go pointing fingers so easily, especially when you are hiding behind the comfort of your keyboards and won't dare say any of it to me in person, because a. you know it isn't true and b. it's easier to call people out and berate them on an internet forum. I can tell you now that I'm one of the cleanest players on the circuit and anyone of my friends or reputable people in the community who I've interacted with can vouch for me. (Feel free to send any of our mutual friends a Facebook message to verify). In fact, I am honestly disappointed, as I have lurked this subreddit in the past for News and spoilers for years on years now and I've always thought this was a tight knit community, full of people who help each other and support the Magic community, and generally give people second chances or look at things from a different perspective (like the Zach Jesse situation when you all even made a petition to get him unbanned as he was banned unfairly) unlike other card games (ie. Yugioh... one of the scummiest communities I've seen and glad I chose the better game and I am no longer apart of their community for reasons I won't go into detail about). Now before I get to the actual thing in this video, for prior context me, and James get along very well, we've known each other for years and have even playtested, for GPs in the past. Also the audio was MUTED during this so you could not hear what we were saying. Look in the footage if you don't believe me, both James and myself were completely relaxed during this situation. It was during the end of his turn where he went to untap Tasigur, and the lands, he briefly touches the Shackles, yes what can be constituted as a "gentle touch," but for more context before this clip he had actually touched it prior and tilted it over 45 degrees, almost back into full position before his brain kicked in and stopped him, from doing so fully. I let that slide. Then he did some thinking and the clip starts, he untaps Tasigur, his lands, retaps and thinks, and touches shackles again. This I cannot allow. This is a tournament with thousands of dollars in prizing and the nation's best players, who understand and respect one's own mistakes as well as the rest of the competition. If you are making a mistake, you can't try and backpeddle and cover it up especially when there is such a large dividend of prize money on the line. Misplays are misplays. It happens. It's a part of the game, and when it does, you either profit from it or reap what you sow assuming you were the one misplaying. Was Yam Wing allowed to take back his misplay despite it being completely obvious that he won the match https://youtu.be/ggXoFJ8E9WI?t=1h34s for context. It isn't me angle shooting or cheating, as some have even called it, much less that I'm just following the rules of the game. In the rule book it states clearly that when a card is tapped, and a player makes contact it with the intention of untapping, that said intention is what makes it count. And for a split second, James definitely had the intention of doing so, despite the fact, that it was by his own error and tiredness. The intention is what matters and I will repeat it to you for emphasis here. He had the full INTENT of untapping, despite the fact that it may have thrown him the game. On the flip side, I did not have any intention of winning such a game over a player nor a friend by taking advantage of their ill intentions and if it were a non-feature I would have let it slide. However keep in mind at this feature there were the eyes of commentators, spectactors, and of course the table judge, who immediately haulted play to determine the scenario. I did not call the judge... more or less, the judge was just there and happened to witness the current events. Then he ruled the correct ruling in that the card was not tapped, which in hindsight is completely fair because he was only given a context of what happened and my opponent uncharacteristically lied about not touching the card at all (when you can see in the video that he does in fact make contact with shackles after touching his lands for the second time). So in reality if any one did any form of "cheating," it was James, as he verbally cheated by altering the series of events that happened on video. But obviously this could be human error, as he again was tired as to make the misplay in the first place so I'm not blaming him nor the judge. I really want to let all of this slide because again its getting blasted out of proportion and because of the lack of audio and the brigading that's happening I might even be out of a sponsorship or even ousted from the scene because of these ill rumors, rumors that are NOT true and are completely biased given a short clip of video footage and the commentator's confusion. Speaking of which definitely did not help, as the commentators are looking at the match from their own screen, and not in person, so they could not hear what was happening nor could they see what had happened in strict detail. What really happened was a series of unfortunate circumstances and a huge misunderstanding that's leapt a great bound, now onto the internet and I'm being accused of something completely assinine that didn't happen nor will it ever. Again, I'm one of the cleanest players in the game, and I can name tons of dirty players who people idolize on the circuit due to insider knowledge and know-how of testing circles. There are people who even discuss ways to cheat on Skype and these are players who Top 8 SCG's consistently and have heaps of prize money earned across numerous years, but again I won't mention their names out of respect and for their privacy. So next time you try to accuse somebody of cheating, get your facts straight and know the whole drat story. Your slander can ruin a person's entire career and personal lives given that this thread comes up in a google search of my name, and if I ever wanted to switch careers and had to get a 9-5 job then my employer would google me, read this title, and have a bias towards not hiring me based on something that strangers on the Internet have said. FYI, Magic is my current full time job and I love the game immensely; but for people, to say slanderous things and make up petty lies about me based on a few seconds of footage, this is just ignorant.

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

That sure is a lot of but "If you touch a card and then reconsider and leave it, it before changing phases, then it counts as untapping it, because that's not what you ~intended~ for a brief second" ...doesn't sound according-to-Hoyle to me?

Stangg posted:

Is it actually true that once you touch a card you cannot change your mind? What about that thing that loads of people seem to do where they pick up the top card of their library but don't look at it, and then put it back because they remembered an upkeep action they wanted to do?

Sickening posted:

No. Its like the "he looked me in the eye therefore he passed priority" crap you hear about from the old days.

Stangg posted:

and in that vein its legal to retap your mana as long as its before you declare the spell right? (Providing I guess you havent said out loud you're adding x mana of x colours to your mana pool)

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

That sure is a lot of but "If you touch a card and then reconsider and leave it, it before changing phases, then it counts as untapping it, because that's not what you ~intended~ for a brief second" ...doesn't sound according-to-Hoyle to me?

E: Zach Jesse is the Literal Raper, right? Kind of a weird one to throw in with as another unjustly trod upon soul.

Stangg posted:

and in that vein its legal to retap your mana as long as its before you declare the spell right? (Providing I guess you havent said out loud you're adding x mana of x colours to your mana pool)

Korey Mcheatey posted:

He had the full INTENT of untapping, despite the fact that it may have thrown him the game. On the flip side, I did not have any intention of winning such a game over a player nor a friend by taking advantage of their ill intentions and if it were a non-feature I would have let it slide.

AlternateNu posted:

I would say Storm’s resurgence is the reason most top players don’t jump on the Lantern bandwagon.

Also, holy gently caress the projection on that screed. “I wasn’t cheating! HE was cheating!!! Argleblargle!”

Sickening posted:

LifeLynx posted:

Did he delete that post? I don't see it on Reddit right now.

I can confirm that it's not illegal to touch your own cards and not untap them, though.

mcmagic posted:

How the hell does a middling SCG grinder make enough to have magic be his full time job?

mcmagic posted:

How the hell does a middling SCG grinder make enough to have magic be his full time job?

odiv posted:

Everyone lives with their parents and makes poo poo wages now anyway, so you might as well.

LifeLynx posted:

Did he delete that post? I don't see it on Reddit right now.

I can confirm that it's not illegal to touch your own cards and not untap them, though.

InterrupterJones posted:

FWIW I'm not sure if he still does, but he at least used to work at our LGS. Still not enough to live, but lots of people these days just survive it seems.

The Sexual Shiite posted:

Was he an angle shooter then? Why’s he banned from Yugioh?

Cheater posted:

I am prescribed to Adderall for ADHD and have been since my adolescence so I'm honestly not sure where these drug allegations are stemming, from. Not sure why you people are jumping to slander me for a small instance of miscommunication. Even the judge agreed he posted above me that I was not in the wrong, if I did in fact cheat then they would have DQ'd and banned me from all SCG's. Also regarding the situation about the Monarch mirror you posted I don't want to go into detail as this is /r/Magic and not Yugioh, but long story short my opponent cheated me in that game and tried to make me look like a bad person when he was the first one to rule shark me and call me out on my sleeves being marked. That Monarch incident was just karma for what he did to me, unfortunately I was set up for failure as he was friends with the judge and knew him on a personal level. Of course said judge used the perfect choice of words to relay a DQ decision from the head judge well before taking me back behind the curtains, as he had signed the DQ papers already before I had a chance to explain my side of the story. Basically what I wrote on the DQ documents were irrelevant and weren't even read by Konami.

Soul Glo posted:

Thinking about selling about $400 worth of mythics and rares to ChannelFireball through their buylist/mail for store credit. Anybody have any horror stories about selling cards to them? Hoping I can turn all these random cards into fetches.

Already bummed they're not buying non-foil IMA Mana Drain, but oh well.

The Sexual Shiite posted:

Was he an angle shooter then? Why’s he banned from Yugioh?

ShaneB posted:

I had a few pack fresh cards get marked down, but by and large the one and only order I sent to CFB was good.

However, SCG has 50% trade in bonus right now. Maybe that's better?