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qirex posted:also google is not getting nearly enough poo poo for hiring this moron in the first place hypothesis: google is staffed primarily by exactly this type of moron
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infernal machines posted:hypothesis: google is staffed primarily by exactly this type of moron they spent like 200 million one year on diversity and outreach initiatives and hired 1% more women
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Jan 9, 2018 21:07
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mrmcd posted:The thing is he'd still be employed if he just kept his poo poo posting to Reddit mra boards during his own time. It just bothered him so much that trans people had a support mailing list and someone wore a BLM shirt to work. So his inner "well actually..." couldn't help but spew a terrible yeah especially since it’s my understanding specific policy positions are not protected classes. like in my old city my employer was not allowed to discriminate based on political party (refuse to hire republicans) but “alt right” is not a political party (I’m purposefully putting aside the very real requirement to not allow a hostile workplace because his discrimination claims are so lulzy) I mean, I assume there’s some sort of code of conduct for these boards?
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Jan 9, 2018 21:16
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manifesto all over a shared doc and then sending it to the whole company.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:34
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i am personally a-ok with google's implied "it's ok to punch james damore in the face" policy
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Jan 9, 2018 21:35
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i am personally a-ok with james damore's lawyer clearly implying he's a nazi
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it's not often i'm on the goog's side because quite honestly gently caress the whole lot of 'em, but here we are.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:41
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the best is they probably offered him a decent settlement and a neutral reference (he worked from X to Y) but he had to go and gently caress that up.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:42
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he took one look at the mad fat stacks dr. mr. jordan peterson is making via patreon/alt-right welfare and did what any of us would do
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Jan 9, 2018 21:44
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mrmcd posted:The thing is he'd still be employed if he just kept his poo poo posting to Reddit mra boards during his own time. It just bothered him so much that trans people had a support mailing list and someone wore a BLM shirt to work. So his inner "well actually..." couldn't help but spew a terrible lol yeah He tripped through sixteen internal "is this a good idea" checkpoints but it's all someone else's fault. White rich kid.txt
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Jan 9, 2018 21:50
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Themage posted:im pretty sure the iPhone 4 is at least 4 faster than the 3gs 4 is 1/1123 of 3GS
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Jan 9, 2018 21:59
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google will have no problem showing they don’t discriminate against men or white people or white men, since that’s the crux of their diversity problem. that leaves him with “conservative”, which is not what he was fired for, and defining conservatism to be MRA nonsense won’t go far. he was fired for making broad* accusations against a protected class of workers and creating a hostile environment. and also for being a shithead. *lol
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Jan 9, 2018 22:00
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political affiliation isnt a protected class, either. there are things companies can get into trouble firing you for (religion, gender, age, race, etc) and possessing (or expressing) a particular political viewpoint is not one of those plus, that aside, he openly declared that women make inferior engineers because their ovaries restrict the flow of blood to their tiny little brains, which in a company where peer/team input is heavily used for promotion and bonus decisionmaking, is an on-the-spot firing offense. no company is required to continue to employ a person who openly lacks respect for his colleagues and team members, irresepective of their political orientation. here is a box of poo poo from your desk, ill take your badge, someone from hr will meet you at the door to hand you your final paycheck, best of luck in your future endeavors
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Jan 9, 2018 22:09
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ah, but he used about a thousand words to imply that, but never outright state it, therefore it is you who is in fact sexist, and furthermore the charts and figures cherry picked from a dozen unrelated studies actually support the conclusion which he definitely didn't make
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Jan 9, 2018 22:13
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james damore was fired for drawing bad publicity to google and highlighting the fact that he is not unusual in the company and there is deep, widespread resentment for even the nominal overtures they make to diversity he could have stayed with the company posting manifestos forever if he hadn't made it known to the wider world that he was doing so, but his fundamental problem was being resentful that white supremacy wasn't serving him fast enough
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The Management posted:google will have no problem showing they don’t discriminate against men or white people or white men, since that’s the crux of their diversity problem. that leaves him with “conservative”, which is not what he was fired for, and defining conservatism to be MRA nonsense won’t go far. he was fired for making broad* accusations against a protected class of workers and creating a hostile environment. and also for being a shithead. i liked when he blamed his autism. google not hiring autistics is especially lulzy https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/16/james-damore-google-memo-interview-autism-regrets
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Having internal discussion boards for political flame wars seems like a bad idea for a company with more than 10 employees.
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Fiedler posted:Having internal discussion boards for political flame wars seems like a bad idea for a company with more than 10 employees. They aren't supposed to be for flame wars. It's supposed to be for, for example, a trans employee to ask other trans employees "where can I find a single bathroom?" or "what's a good doctor covered by our insurance?" or whatever. They turned into flames because apparently Google lets anyone post on them and assholes felt the need to pop on to dump on the minorities.
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cis autodrag posted:They aren't supposed to be for flame wars. It's supposed to be for, for example, a trans employee to ask other trans employees "where can I find a single bathroom?" or "what's a good doctor covered by our insurance?" or whatever. that seems like a bad idea. (making them open, not the general idea). couldn't these trans folks argue that not making it invite only or otherwise moderating contributes to a hostile work enviornment? honestly i'm just amazed someone would think going into the company LGBT list serv and trolling is a good idea.
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Jan 9, 2018 23:12
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maskenfreiheit posted:that seems like a bad idea. (making them open, not the general idea). In most places they are invite only. Sounds like Google is just dumb
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cis autodrag posted:They aren't supposed to be for flame wars. It's supposed to be for, for example, a trans employee to ask other trans employees "where can I find a single bathroom?" or "what's a good doctor covered by our insurance?" or whatever. Sure, but there also exists a "conservative" board...
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Jan 9, 2018 23:15
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Fiedler posted:Sure, but there also exists a "conservative" board... Where else are you going to get recommendations on how to make Hellmann's Mayonnaise less spicy?
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Jan 9, 2018 23:19
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Schadenboner posted:Where else are you going to get recommendations on how to make Hellmann's Mayonnaise less spicy? hey now its Best Foods in California
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Jan 9, 2018 23:47
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Fiedler posted:Sure, but there also exists a "conservative" board... I guess so they can ask each other where whites only churches are? Sounds like Google is doing resource groups in the dumbest way possible.
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Jan 9, 2018 23:51
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in order to preserve it's faragher/ellerth affirmative defense against a sex harassment case, google had to take prompt and effective remedial action to correct harassing behaviour.  Firing the dude was a good way to do it.
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cis autodrag posted:In most places they are invite only. Sounds like Google is just dumb extreme transparency
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qirex posted:also google is not getting nearly enough poo poo for hiring this moron in the first place
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ShadowHawk posted:What's the suggestion here? he seems quiet (the journalists mention he prefers to chat than to speak) if he's a quiet nerd (common) and doesn't have MRA stuff up on the web under his name how could they have not hired him?
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some of those groups are anonymous so that people can feel comfortable actually talking about their experiences, which for e.g. a women’s support group would otherwise be a lot less like “talking” and a lot more like “making a public accusation” ofc that has drawbacks
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maskenfreiheit posted:he seems quiet (the journalists mention he prefers to chat than to speak) "When James Damore was looking for a job as a technician, he made it clear from the start that he didn't want to just wash dishes or make reagents. He wanted to do research. He e-mailed a dozen or so professors around the United States to check for openings. “I was direct that I didn't want to do lab chores,” he says. “Not many labs had that kind of position." https://www.nature.com/naturejobs/science/articles/10.1038/nj7348-545a (from 2011)
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PCjr sidecar posted:"When James Damore was looking for a job as a technician, he made it clear from the start that he didn't want to just wash dishes or make reagents. He wanted to do research. He e-mailed a dozen or so professors around the United States to check for openings. “I was direct that I didn't want to do lab chores,” he says. “Not many labs had that kind of position." I don't want to prove myself. I am entitled to gently caress up your grant-funded research projects immediately with no real vetting.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I don't want to prove myself. I am entitled to gently caress up your grant-funded research projects immediately with no real vetting. i imagine this meshes very well with the "my life sucked at your age so it's my job to make sure yours does too" mentality
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PCjr sidecar posted:"When James Damore was looking for a job as a technician, he made it clear from the start that he didn't want to just wash dishes or make reagents. He wanted to do research. He e-mailed a dozen or so professors around the United States to check for openings. “I was direct that I didn't want to do lab chores,” he says. “Not many labs had that kind of position." is that anti female? I'm not in biology, but my physics friends had lab techs (paid via grants) who did what could be described as "lab chores" (setting up experiements, building rigs etc) edit: holy poo poo I should not fever post. just realized he was applying for *lab tech* jobs.  Sorry guys (and gals and anyone else reading), I'm home sick 
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Jan 10, 2018 17:06
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It's not anti-female but it's arrogant and entitled as hell
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Jan 10, 2018 17:11
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Sagebrush posted:It's not anti-female but it's arrogant and entitled as hell yes agreed, sorry i didn't read thoroughly. i actually was a lab tech at one point and even though it hurts to lol i did
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Jan 10, 2018 17:12
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ShadowHawk posted:What's the suggestion here?
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qirex posted:google hired this clown ftfy
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Jan 10, 2018 17:19
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well, yeah but according to google they've spent buckets of money on improving their hiring and recruiting, the people I know who work there all work on outreach programs and stuff [they've all had negligible effect]
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qirex posted:that the press not treat it like something that just happened to google? this situation exists specifically because google hired this clown despite their incredibly selective system they've spent billions perfecting and then put up with an obviously toxic employee until he eventually wrote a novella about how uteruses make you bad at computers that's the problem with their "selective" system. they want people with super high grades, from selective universities. the difference between a 3.5 and a 4.0 is often not IQ but how much social life you're willing to sacrifice. personally i think they want them because someone who gets into stanford and pulls a 4.0 is conditioned to work crazy hours, not because they're mythical coders
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